ronmexico86
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"An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."
     The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's "celebration of victimhood," said the professor, Nicholas Winset.
     During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.
     "A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.
     He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.
     Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a "chilling effect" on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.
     The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."
     Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive."

Here's the link:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070423/ap_ … ssor_fired

   I know everyone has talked and thought about Va. Tech enough, but still, being fired over a class discussion?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6907|Texas - Bigger than France
Well, somebody complained which got the university's attention.  A reprimand would have been more appropriate.  I also hope he covered the other side of the gun control argument, b/c if it was one sided, most universities have policies against promoting the professor's own political views...

My guess is the prof already had a file of reprimands...if not then he probably has a pretty good lawsuit...
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
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Yet another example of the insanity of a PC world.
CoronadoSEAL
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ronmexico86
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After watching the videos on YouTube(it's separated into four parts) he doesn't really address whether or not he
         ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-cBKXyR … mp;search= )
talked about both sides of the gun control issue (though I'd guess he didn't). But he said that he just used the tragedy at Virginia Tech to show that there are terrible things that happen that have no affect on financial markets (he was teaching a financial accounting apparently) and he talks about various other things.
       Also, he says that he was not given any concrete reason for his firing (due process he says), no discussion, no peer review, simply a letter telling him he was fired. This all from a "Liberal Arts" college in Boston...
ghettoperson
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If that's the whole story, then that's ridiculous. However, as these things usually go, it probably isn't.
Parker
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Pug wrote:

Well, somebody complained which got the university's attention.  A reprimand would have been more appropriate.  I also hope he covered the other side of the gun control argument, b/c if it was one sided, most universities have policies against promoting the professor's own political views...

My guess is the prof already had a file of reprimands...if not then he probably has a pretty good lawsuit...
man i wish that was the case. i left college because of my professors.....it worked out for me in the end, but i was really jaded for awhile.
GorillaTicTacs
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Also, he says that he was not given any concrete reason for his firing (due process he says), no discussion, no peer review, simply a letter telling him he was fired. This all from a "Liberal Arts" college in Boston...
"Liberal Arts" school, where liberals learn the art of being liberal...that was cute, man.  I can hear it now, "Maaaan, when me and my conservative buddies finally take over this nation, there won't be no more librul arts!"

Granted though, the teacher shouldn't have been fired for anything like this, no matter how you cut it.
ronmexico86
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GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Also, he says that he was not given any concrete reason for his firing (due process he says), no discussion, no peer review, simply a letter telling him he was fired. This all from a "Liberal Arts" college in Boston...
"Liberal Arts" school, where liberals learn the art of being liberal...that was cute, man.  I can hear it now, "Maaaan, when me and my conservative buddies finally take over this nation, there won't be no more librul arts!"
That was not my specific term, it's how the college defines itself (check their website). I put it in quotes because the First Amendment does not seem to be respected here whatsoever (so yes I agree he should not have been fired).
But by no means would I consider myself conservative (or liberal for that matter) so please don't try to judge me from one post.
konfusion
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This is ridiculous. They're overreacting simply because of how fresh the topic is. I hope they take it back and reinstate him...

-konfusion
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6907|Texas - Bigger than France

konfusion wrote:

This is ridiculous. They're overreacting simply because of how fresh the topic is. I hope they take it back and reinstate him...

-konfusion
You are jumping out there too quick, Sparky...We only know one side.  I'm sure the other side will speak out soon.

However, if you check out ron's comment above one thing that stands out is:
WTF is the financial professor doing a demo to teach his class about how financial markets react by reenacting the VT massacre, but this time everyone is armed?

Anyone know if this is a private school BTW?  I see Catholic, so it's likely private...in which case the university ABSOLUTELY has a rule against esposing politics they deem inappropriate.  My guess is one of the tenants of a Catholic school might include being against carrying concealed weapons...
GorillaTicTacs
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ronmexico86 wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Also, he says that he was not given any concrete reason for his firing (due process he says), no discussion, no peer review, simply a letter telling him he was fired. This all from a "Liberal Arts" college in Boston...
"Liberal Arts" school, where liberals learn the art of being liberal...that was cute, man.  I can hear it now, "Maaaan, when me and my conservative buddies finally take over this nation, there won't be no more librul arts!"
That was not my specific term, it's how the college defines itself (check their website). I put it in quotes because the First Amendment does not seem to be respected here whatsoever (so yes I agree he should not have been fired).
But by no means would I consider myself conservative (or liberal for that matter) so please don't try to judge me from one post.
Don't worry, wasn't judging you at all.  I just thought it was funny how you emphasized "liberal arts" like it was something to do with politics or liberal thought.  Then I was thinking, "My god, don't let the fascists here on the boards see this, they might get the idea that liberal arts colleges were sources of evil and should be replaced by conservative arts colleges, to be fair and balanced."

Then I was thinking, "Well, if 'liberal arts colleges' are for 'general knowledge', then would 'conservative arts colleges' teach 'the opposite of knowledge'?"

And then I giggled.  But just a little bit, because it wasn't that funny.  So see, nothing about you.

Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2007-04-23 15:33:49)

ronmexico86
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My mistake.
DesertFox-
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This shooting blows. Now the professors will never be able to go into a boring lecture before firing a pistol (loaded with blanks) before questioning the students about what they are thinking. It's a legitimate survey, too.
CommieChipmunk
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RAIMIUS wrote:

Yet another example of the insanity of a PC world.
we're so much better off without it.
ronmexico86
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DesertFox- wrote:

This shooting blows. Now the professors will never be able to go into a boring lecture before firing a pistol (loaded with blanks) before questioning the students about what they are thinking. It's a legitimate survey, too.
He didn't use a gun...he had all the class pretend with him that a marker was a gun (and had prepped a student to "fire back" with his own marker after the teacher had "shot" a few students)
unnamednewbie13
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I guess he didn't "engage the classroom" in a manner that the administration had in mind.
EVieira
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That sucks. Shows what VaTech is worried about: Just forget everything and move on. After all, lighting dosen't hit twice in the same spot, right?
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agent146
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phhft  i just heard some (quite a handfull of) people are actually starting a petition to ban the killer's name from being said.... overall i just find it ....wierd, plain wierd
Stingray24
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Pug wrote:

. . . I also hope he covered the other side of the gun control argument, b/c if it was one sided, most universities have policies against promoting the professor's own political views...
Most universities have no problem with the professor promoting their own political views as long as the university faculty agree with those views.  There's no such thing as equal time on campus.  Tenured profs are in such a secure position that they can say just about anything . . . as long as it's not religious. *gasp*

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