Is this part refering to the Cho incident or a previous incident off campus?superfly_cox wrote:
Read this then vote. Do you agree with Ted Nugent?Ted Nugent wrote:
More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.
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Do You Agree with Ted Nugent?
| Yes | 48% | 48% - 35 | ||||
| No | 29% | 29% - 21 | ||||
| Didn't feel like reading this so I vote whatever. | 22% | 22% - 16 | ||||
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I agree. Underfunded mental healthcare systems. Turnstyles.iamangry wrote:
This sort of thing isn't an issue of gun control, it's an issue of the ineptitude of medicine to find and help the people who perpetrate such crimes.
By that logic we don't need laws, we just need better healthcare. But the fact is we aren't at the point where we understand the human mind and can control it that well, and therefore laws prevent people from doing harm.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I agree. Underfunded mental healthcare systems. Turnstyles.iamangry wrote:
This sort of thing isn't an issue of gun control, it's an issue of the ineptitude of medicine to find and help the people who perpetrate such crimes.
Evidence please. In fact -people issued conceal permits don't behave in the way which you infer. My evidence?Bubbalo wrote:
Yeah, but neighbours who don't like each other aren't forced to sit in the same room, or put up with each other much. Fact is, if a fight breaks out and people have guns, they will use them.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
The ones who do live here do get into arguments now and then. Also, three cats. Widening the area a bit, neighbors around here can absolutely disagree with each other and hate one anothers' guts, but as far as I can tell there hasn't been single homicides or mass-murders. The wider city, on the other hand has a few shootings, though they seem to be outnumbered by stabbings and the occasional fistfight.
Perhaps we could ban fingers and put all our fears to rest.
http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Not my logic. Its reality. People are pushed through the doors with pills after a quick chat because they can't treat everyone the way they need to be treated. Its not the nurses and doctors faults. They aren't funded properly. All state run healthcare facilites are suffering in the budget dept.Bubbalo wrote:
By that logic we don't need laws, we just need better healthcare. But the fact is we aren't at the point where we understand the human mind and can control it that well, and therefore laws prevent people from doing harm.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I agree. Underfunded mental healthcare systems. Turnstyles.iamangry wrote:
This sort of thing isn't an issue of gun control, it's an issue of the ineptitude of medicine to find and help the people who perpetrate such crimes.
Im not fully understanding the wording about the laws in your quote. But I feel the gun laws are fine. Gun dealers can't go ask every gun applicants college teacher if he is writing crazy chit in class. This VATech incident should not be used as a kickoff for another shit issue in the election. Like gay marriage was a few years ago.
If we assume that gun crimes are the result of mental illness and therefore we don't need gun control, why would we need homicide laws? Same logic, surely.
Bottom line: you can't prevent all violence.
Bubbalo: People can get into honest fistfights without resorting to firearms. Once one is drawn, then things tend to get serious. While we're on the topic of taffy-like analogies, you can treat an entire city like "the same room." Neighbors do sit together there. There are plenty of mentally-mature adults who keep weapons of some sort for self-defense, and they do not seem to flip out and go cowboy all over the place as does the stereotypical concept of the armed American. It may be sad if someone is dumb enough to force them to fire in self-defense, but hey...that's life on Earth for ya.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Evidence please. In fact -people issued conceal permits don't behave in the way which you infer. My evidence?Bubbalo wrote:
Yeah, but neighbours who don't like each other aren't forced to sit in the same room, or put up with each other much. Fact is, if a fight breaks out and people have guns, they will use them.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
The ones who do live here do get into arguments now and then. Also, three cats. Widening the area a bit, neighbors around here can absolutely disagree with each other and hate one anothers' guts, but as far as I can tell there hasn't been single homicides or mass-murders. The wider city, on the other hand has a few shootings, though they seem to be outnumbered by stabbings and the occasional fistfight.
Perhaps we could ban fingers and put all our fears to rest.
http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-04-21 23:35:39)
I see CNN is relying on the serious constitutional scholars here...
You can generalize it all. If a guy got shot in a drug deal gone bad, that is not due to mental illness. The VATech incident was due to mental illness. Dont blame the guns.Bubbalo wrote:
If we assume that gun crimes are the result of mental illness and therefore we don't need gun control, why would we need homicide laws? Same logic, surely.
We dont need them taken away, and we dont need the wild west. Its fine the way it is. One fucked up asian kid who didn't get the talking barney he wanted or whatever the fuck set him off, and not even an American, isn't going to change it.
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