BF2S Forums 3 Bullsh*t Arguments from Pro Gun Fraternity

Bubbalo wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

And smuggled to the speakeasy.  People will find a way to make guns.

You have watched way too many MacGuyver episodes.

I hated that fucking show...I watched Airwolf.

Bubbalo wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

You have watched way too many MacGuyver episodes.

I hated that fucking show...I watched Airwolf.

Either way, the point is that backyard manufacturing of an effective and useful firearm is unlikely at best.

I don't think so.  But oh well.

usmarine2005 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

I hated that fucking show...I watched Airwolf.

Either way, the point is that backyard manufacturing of an effective and useful firearm is unlikely at best.

I don't think so.  But oh well.

Firearms are complex pieces of machinery, and just getting the parts would be difficult.  Much less someone smart enough to build one.

Edit:  Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the ever useful Jimmy Botswana is back.  Hooray .

Last edited by Bubbalo (2007-04-18 20:34:43)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Also, we have a large amount of gun manufacturers here.  Manufacturers that sell to outside countrie, still allowing for some one to rob a manufacturing plant.

Yes, because it's not like you can secure the facilities or anything....................................

Bubbalo wrote:

Firearms are complex pieces of machinery, and just getting the parts would be difficult.  Much less someone smart enough to build one.

So tough to build even a Pakistani in a cave with no industrial machinery can make them.

next argument?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-04-18 20:39:35)

Bubbalo wrote:

Edit:  Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the ever useful Jimmy Botswana is back.  Hooray .

Ahhhhhhh yes..

"Where did the tops of the Twin Towers go?" - JB

mcminty wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

You know what I find absolutely ridiculous?  Fertilizer manufacturers put industrial chemicals and waste into their product, and then wonder why it is used in bombs.  Stop putting industrial waste in fertilizer, maybe then you won't be able to fashion a bomb using it.

Carry on with the topic.

As opposed to what?

organic materials.  Anything that isn't a byproduct of weapons building, or industrial manufacturing.

edit: ok I'm done here.  Too many posts.  Some one else care to comment?

check the official drunk thread in a few hours...

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-04-18 20:48:45)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

So tough to build even a Pakistani in a cave with no industrial machinery can make them.

Industrialisation is about mass production, not about complexity.  They were able to build them thanks to tools and training from the Russians.  So, unless you think the KGB is actively assisted organised crime in the US, it's a moot point.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

organic materials.  Anything that isn't a byproduct of weapons building, or industrial manufacturing.

edit: ok I'm done here.  Too many posts.  Some one else care to comment?

check the official drunk thread in a few hours...

I believe those Blood and Bones fertilizers have more of a long-term effect, while the non-organic ones can only take a week or two to make a noticable difference.

What chemical compunds are put into fertilizer, that are "a byproduct of weapons building, or industrial manufacturing"?



Mcminty.

Reciprocity wrote:

I_SUCK_999 wrote:

16 pages - far out.

I love guns - but don't have any. and I think the USA has way too many in civilian hands - but they have that right given to them by their Government. Most of the western world has disarmed their civilian populations - apparently for safety reasons.

Time to lock this thread, hey?

We have too many guns in the wrong Civilian hands.  Gangbangers shouldn't have guns, Crazy people shouldn't have guns, kids shouldn't have unsupervised access to guns.  Me, I've never commited a crime, in 10 years of driving I've never even been pulled over.  Currently I own 7 firearms, I keep trigger locks on each one in addition to being locked in a heavy safe that is bolted to the floor.  They are all legally purchased and unmodified.  I shoot for recreation and I don't hunt and I do not belong to the NRA.  Can you please give me one good reason why I should not be allowed to own firearms.  and I'm not confronting your in particular, but the idea.

That is the perfect! In my mind, I have not problem with you using the weapons. It's just all the other types of people you mentioned that shouldn't have them.

Mcminty.

Smitty5613 wrote:

people talk about how locks should be put on your guns, but how are you gonna defend your house if someone breaks in and all ur guns have locks on them... locks sound good, but what happens if the kids manage to find the keys?? i dont have any kids yet, but when i was small my parents kept their firearms in the back corner of their closet unlocked, if i was curious about them they would take them out and show them to me... they drilled me on how i shouldnt touch them without supervision and that if i wanted to see one, all i had to do was ask... so i never went in their by myself... its the kids who's parents try to hide the guns from them and the kids find them, and they dont know how to handle them because they werent told enough and they were excited to touch them......

Sounds like your parents did a good job.  I totally agree, guns should not be a big secret or mystery, especially to kids.  The specific reason I keep my firearms secured in an immovable safe is because I couldn't stand the thought of a criminal stealing a firearm belonging to me and using it to commit a crime or harm someone.

SharkyMcshark wrote:

This is how it is. Gun control wont work in the USA imo. This is because the ownership of firearms is so deeply rooted in their culture that there would be a revolution pretty much if people tried to restrict things enough to lower the levels of guns violence. This means the only way to makes things safer is to go in the opposite direction.

Sure, hell, give everyone the right to be packing in public. Welcome to the old days of the wild west boys and girls, where everyones a cowboy!

Only problem is this. Some sick bastard walks into a public place and starts shooting people. You know odds are he's not going to stop shooting until someone shoots him or he shoots himself. So Citizen Joe doesn't stop to yell "freeze, put the gun down", he just unholsters and lets fly. Citizen Jim arrives on the scene after hearing gunshots. He sees Joe gun the sick bastard down and thinks "Oh shit, someone on a rampage" and the same thoughts run through Jim's mind, about how psychopaths generally dont like to stop shooting people, and seeing as hes now mistake Joe for the psychopath Jim unholsters and starts shooting at Joe.

Voila. There we go. The ORIGINAL gunman is down, but down your public place/mall/school/college has turned into a wild west shootout.

Now, I've fired a Glock 19*, one of the guns used by the VT shooter. I can't tell you how amazingly scary it would be living in a society where I know that everyone I see walking down the street is packing a gun. While its none of my business, it is sad that American culture is so insane and obsessed over firearms that the only way they can feel safe is if they have MORE firearms

*Who'da thought the one of two models of gun I've ever fired would be used by that guy....

thats a really great post man-+1 for you.

you seem to understand the issue that wouldnt allow a european type of gun control policy. i have a few things though...
you talk about the chance that the person who legally carries the gun getting shot because they are mistaken for the perpetrator. while that scenario could very well happen the chances are very remote....i know the chances of a guy walking into a school and doing that is also remote, but my point is that at least where i was trained (i dont know about anyone else) i was taught that if you need to use your firearm that you make it very clear that you are not the bad guy....whatever you need to do, most of the instructions included putting the gun away and making sure that people can see your hands. once the police arrive it is your responsibility as a gun owner that has a concealed carry license to make sure they know what has transpired.

the other topic i wanted to address was the wild west term.........
i live in st louis, missouri. the number one most dangerous city in the USA. i carry a handgun almost everywhere i go, and i believe that is something that i have earned by proving myself responsible enough to do so. not only have i taken the required classes and paid for the licenses, but i practice a MINIMUM of once a week. i have never even had to put my hand on my gun out of fear or discomfort. i carry it to protect my family and myself. when i come home the handgun goes into a wall safe along with my wifes .38 that she carries. if i need to defend my house i have a 20 ga shotgun that will do the job fine. the reason i have a shotgun at my house is that i am a responsible gun owner that has done my research and learned that if i loaded that 20 ga shotgun with #4 birdshot, it wont penetrate walls......it will only do damage to what is in the room with me.
that doesnt sound like the wild west does it? and st louis is about as close as you can get regarding shootings.



you do understand our obsession though, and that is something i need to commend you on.
since i was a little kid i heard stories about men like-daniel boone, jesse james, wild bill hickock, wyatt earp, buffalo bill cody, doc holiday and many others.....glorifying killing with thier guns. i dont know why jesse james who so clearly was a terrorist against the union in the civil war is made out to be a glorified bank robber......its just part of us. our country was started with the ability to defend ourselves with firearms. in this day and age it is highly unlikely that a country would invade this country but it has grown far beyond that.
when i was 12 my single mother bought me a .22 long rifle and took me to the shooting range to shoot. why?
because its almost a tradition in some parts of this country.

like i said, great post. i just hope you dont think the us is like the wild west.....thats only some places...like "The Hill".

Reciprocity wrote:

We have too many guns in the wrong Civilian hands.  Gangbangers shouldn't have guns, Crazy people shouldn't have guns, kids shouldn't have unsupervised access to guns.  Me, I've never commited a crime, in 10 years of driving I've never even been pulled over.  Currently I own 7 firearms, I keep trigger locks on each one in addition to being locked in a heavy safe that is bolted to the floor.  They are all legally purchased and unmodified.  I shoot for recreation and I don't hunt and I do not belong to the NRA.  Can you please give me one good reason why I should not be allowed to own firearms.  and I'm not confronting your in particular, but the idea.

Cho could have said exactly the same thing up until he did what he did.  It's all very well you saying how responsible you are but that's your word.  Again, I come back to Iran, they say that they would be responsible with nuclear technology but do you trust them even though you actually don't know the regime?