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destruktion_6143 wrote:

why does everyone write "i send my condolences to the families. my heart goes out to them" if u were involved in this, u actually think you would go rushing to bf2s to see what people think?

It's a way of sending positive thoughts to the universe.
Why not just keep quiet?

I have a sneaking suspicion that somewhere, Jack Thompson is gleefully celebrating another tragedy that he can exploit for his own agenda.

wtf he posts saying that it is not him

How soon before Hamas does this with their 30,000 troops in the United States?

4-16-07: A chronological story.

2 Weeks Ago: The First Bomb Threat
    Ryan Gaylo, a friend of mine who lived down the hall from me last year was working in the ECE department in Whittemore Hall.  While double checking a mail box for documents, he found a piece of green engineering paper.  On this paper was the word “NOTICE” in the name section, and a statement that a bomb was placed in Torgersen Hall and would be detonated later that night.  This caused the evacuation of Torgersen Hall until later in the evening. 

Last Friday: The Second Bomb Threat
As I was attending an awards ceremony, a bomb threat was discovered warning of attacks on Durham, Whittemore and Torgersen Halls.  I spent the weekend at home, so I do not have any real specifics, however it is assumed by the fact that the buildings are still standing that there were indeed no bombs. 

Today:
    I checked my email at about 8:55 before heading out to breakfast at D2 (The local dining hall, its really nice, and has a view of Ambler Johnston).  There were no new emails from the university or anyone else for that matter.  I ate breakfast from 9:10 to 9:40 (my usual times).  I did not realize it then, but I was eating just a few meters away from a murder scene.  Only one side of the building had ambulances and police… this was not my side.  I proceeded down towards Derring Hall by going across the drill field and through Williams Hall.  As I got onto the drill field from the residential side of campus (about 9:45 or so) I heard the first sirens.  At first I assumed it was another bomb threat.  Several more cop cars from VT PD, Blacksburg PD, Christiansburg PD, and state troopers converged in front of Burruss Hall.  By the time I got to the steps of Williams Hall, people with M-16’s had exited the vehicle and started running up the main staircase of Buruss and surrounding Norris Hall.  I proceeded to Derring where I learned that the school was on lock down, because there was shooting going on in Norris. 
I sat there in my engineering class until about 10:15, at which point I broke the lockdown and proceeded to Robeson Hall ( the main physics building… my second major).  I hanged out with the physics professors and some hot business majors while all the commotion was going on outside.  Now something of interest… Buruss connects to GBJ connects to Pamplin connects to Robeson connects to Hahn connects to Davidson and Chem/Physics.  So if the killer had escaped Norris and entered Buruss ( literally 20 feet away) he could have theoretically killed people across half of the academic side of campus.  The business majors were all scared, so they demanded to be let into our department lounge, which has a lock.  This was possibly the first time any more than one business major had been in this room at a time (a sign of how upheaving this day was to routine).  It was not until 12:05 or so until we were permitted to evacuate from the building to cars and for those of us in the dorms… back across campus.  I kept my head on a swivel the entire way back.  Another point of interest; the weather.  It was snowing this morning, about 40 degrees with high wind.  After we were allowed to leave there was hardly a cloud in the sky.  However, the pressure gradient in the wind tunnel ( the underpass of the connecting floor between Pamplin and Robeson) was as high as its been since I’ve been here.  I nearly lost a beanie, and was nearly lifted off the ground.  I guess even mother nature was pissed about what happened today.
At this point the estimates were still 1 dead, 17 wounded.  By the time I got back to my dorm (Lee Hall), the total had jumped to 20 dead, 20 wounded.  I was shocked.  It was completely unbelievable.  I checked the vt website, and sure enough it was true.  People on the hall were worried about me because they hadn’t heard from me.  I mean, they all know I’m Aerospace Engineering/Physics double major, and that I’ve had a class in Norris before; so I understood their concern.  From my window I can see the front of Norris Hall.  I got my binoculars out and zeroed in on the lawn in front of the building.  To my horror, there was a body bag.  At about 12:45 a state trooper in full body armor with a 12 guage went walking down my hall.  We asked the RA why a terminator just strolled through our hall and he said that there have been reports of a man in a white sweat shirt wearing a Kevlar vest saying he’s with the fire dept. going around.  I have not heard more on this story since, so I assume it was extraneous information not dissimilar to the false reports of the State Department being bombed on 9/11.  I watched outside my window for two hours as body bags were carried out.  It was about this time when the full scope of things started to sink in. 
I decided to check bf2s to see if anyone had started a thread about the massacre yet.  Sure enough someone had with good enough intentions and a bunch of people had already started spouting their horse shit about guns.  Seeing most of you not take this seriously or trying to turn it into a numbers game pissed me off that I decided to return to D2 for lunch.  I remained there until 16:30.  Another point of interest: there were state troopers ALL OVER THE PLACE.  Inside the dining hall alone there was at least 20 troopers with automatic weapons.  I felt safe, but it was a reminder I didn’t need.  At this point, I realized something else.  My professor’s office is in Norris, and he is always there before class (the class I had been heading to after breakfast).  I realized that there was the very real possibility that my professor had been killed.  This made me even more sad.  When I returned to the dorm the numbers had jumped to 32 dead.  That’s an entire class in that building.  I could not seem to get my mind off of what it must have looked like in there, who was in there, how they died.  I couldn’t even think of starting Battlefield and playing. 
Around 1930 I was reminded of a project I have due this week for Electrodynamics involving devices that transmit or receive EM waves.  Considering the MASSIVE amounts of coverage the event was getting, I felt it necessary to go down to the Inn and take some pictures of the satellite equipment.  I found it was a good way to get my mind off of what had gone on.  My friend and I were interviewed by a host from the today show, and from the foxnews.com website.  We were also able to see the press conference room and a number of impressive personalities.  I suppose that while it may not be kosher to do so I should inform you all that the article with the link “I Just Hope Nobody I Know Died” on the fox news website is titled with my quote.  My friend got hired by nightline to drive the reporter around Blacksburg… he got a free tank of gas for his Dodge Ram, and a considerable sum of money.  While he was occupied, another friend and I returned to the Inn and met Geraldo Rivera and Brian Williams.  Let me say, Geraldo Rivera is a douche!  He talks to us for 5 seconds and then just walks away without saying goodbye or anything!  Brian Williams is a classy man, he managed to blow us off and keep us from realizing it for almost a minute!  That’s skill, and how you can tell a good journalist from a bad journalist. 
Names have started coming out for some of the people killed.  The RA who was killed in AJ is an acquaintance of mine through a high school friend who sits next to him in the band.  His name is Ryan Clark… aka Stack.  And before any of you say some bullshit about how he might have been involved with this girl, allow me to tell you that he was a homosexual.  He was a good guy, always had a huge smile on his face.  RIP.  Thankfully, my professor is OK.  As more names come out I’ll let people know about the ones I knew, but hopefully that list is small.  It’s been a long day, its been a hard day, so I’m going to get some rest.  But let me say one thing.  PLEASE leave this shit about guns and crap for another day, another thread.  Its completely offensive to me and to everyone else who’s been here through this to see you people use it as a support for your talking points.  This event is not a talking point, it’s a tragedy.

iamangry wrote:

But let me say one thing.  PLEASE leave this shit about guns and crap for another day, another thread.  Its completely offensive to me and to everyone else who’s been here through this to see you people use it as a support for your talking points.  This event is not a talking point, it’s a tragedy.

Im sorry to hear about all that you and other students have gone through today. Ever since hearing about this I've just felt sad.
Im glad your ok and I hope everyone you know is also ok.
I agree, leave this gun crap for another day.
Im stunned about the stories coming out of what happened today, Im not sure if many heard this but only one student in the classroom lived, and how he stayed alive was pretending to be dead....
But again I hope all of your classmates and professors are ok! And hope your able to get plenty of rest.

But at least you're safe from Muslims................................

Fen321 wrote:

lol did he really say Hitler came and took French weapons?

lol, DO YOU realize Hitler just came and TOOK France, let alone her weapons???

Why take JUST the guns when taking the whole damn country was apparently, EASIER!!! It was almost as if it was, take Poland and recieve France for free, coupon day.

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-17 02:04:00)

i should have edited that. that post was made earlier in the day before anything was really released about how he did it. i was picturing some whiz with a handgun to be pulling off long distance rapid shots at moving targets....you can go back and i even said i thought he had training.....going on the thought i just talked about.


i was wrong, not the first and sure as hell wont be the last.


about the head wounds, ive never had any experience with any....well one, but it involved a .380 and the guy was already dead, but that pales in comparison to what you do. ive never really compared the numbers and im sure they would weigh heavily with death, but it seems i read about alot of people that survive head shots. now they only survive by say 1mm of difference or a blood vessel that didnt go somehow, but they survive.
i guess ive been taught to hate the 9mm and its effectiveness. i let my bias get the best of me.



and if the fbi wouldnt have jurisdiction i wish they would have gotten some people in there that knew what the fuck they were doing. i keep trying to avoid this on the news......it seems to me that they are like vultures that hover around and await some epic tragedy to befall innocent people so they can rape the survivors and profit off of it. its a sad day and i wish some things could have gone much different.


with that said, im going to bed......its times like this, no matter how shitty of a day you had, times like this make you glad that at least your ass bumped ground today.

Parker wrote:

i should have edited that. that post was made earlier in the day before anything was really released about how he did it. i was picturing some whiz with a handgun to be pulling off long distance rapid shots at moving targets....you can go back and i even said i thought he had training.....going on the thought i just talked about.


i was wrong, not the first and sure as hell wont be the last.


about the head wounds, ive never had any experience with any....well one, but it involved a .380 and the guy was already dead, but that pales in comparison to what you do. ive never really compared the numbers and im sure they would weigh heavily with death, but it seems i read about alot of people that survive head shots. now they only survive by say 1mm of difference or a blood vessel that didnt go somehow, but they survive.
i guess ive been taught to hate the 9mm and its effectiveness. i let my bias get the best of me.



and if the fbi wouldnt have jurisdiction i wish they would have gotten some people in there that knew what the fuck they were doing. i keep trying to avoid this on the news......it seems to me that they are like vultures that hover around and await some epic tragedy to befall innocent people so they can rape the survivors and profit off of it. its a sad day and i wish some things could have gone much different.


with that said, im going to bed......its times like this, no matter how shitty of a day you had, times like this make you glad that at least your ass bumped ground today.

But Parker, I thought you were an expert on all things firearm related?  You mean you actually know very little and just run around posting videos?

Bubbalo wrote:

But at least you're safe from Muslims................................

Bubs, please stop.

It's quite interesting to me that many non-US people are taking quite an interest of this.....Seriously, with what many of the non-US people say about us on this forum, I'm getting the distinct feeling that you guys don't like us (USA) so much...since we are oil-guzzling imperialists and such....it seems to me you should encourage such activities so the population of the states equal the magic number of 0. So, then you'd have something else to bitch about...but please continue...ty

Spearhead wrote:

The sole purpose of a sword is not to kill people as well?  You can play around with words as much as you want, but firearms are ARMS, no matter how you try to explain it.  Unless you are arguing that the main purpose of a weapon is not for killing in one way or another... can firearms be used in ways that arent violent?  Yeah, but so can a sword, or a bow and arrow.  Doesnt mean its not what it is.  A device designed for killing.

Spearhead wrote:

Of course, if everyone who owned a weapon used it for killing or hurting other people, the world would be much less peaceful. When I say "designed for killing" I mean the people who invented it centuries ago had killing as the priority of the weapon they were making.

I dont think firearms should be outlawed, I just hate it when people act as though a firearm isnt designed for killing, as though people walk around shooting things and when someone happens to be murdered "well, the gun is just a random object they used to murder someone".  I agree with the belief that guns dont kill people, people kill people, but guns sure make it a helluva lot easier.

Rather difficult to target practice with a sword isn’t it?  The statement that the SOLE purpose of firearms is to kill things is factually incorrect and that’s how the myth of evil guns is spread.  There are countless firearms specifically designed for sport shooting and target shooting, not killing.  Of course the majority of firearms are capable of killing if fired at an animal or human being, but the purpose of the weapon and depends completely on the user. 

Enjoying ownership of a weapon as a collector or having fun at the target range is a valid purpose for guns, too, and there are millions of firearms used for exactly that purpose.   Many people, myself included, enjoy target shooting because it takes practice and skill to use your firearm properly and shoot accurately.  Knives are also very capable of being used to kill, so do we automatically assume they’re all for killing?  No, many people collect them and create beautiful works of art by making knives.  Guns are more efficient at killing than most any other weapon, but that does not make them evil.  Again, it’s all in how it’s used.  I’ve fired guns since I was 9 years old and I’ve never had to use one to kill someone.  So for me, guns are for enjoyment and are available if I need to defend myself or others.  Are they capable of killing?  Sure, but I’ve chosen not to use my weapons in a lawful manner and therefore have every right to own them.   

konfusion wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

The sole purpose of guns is not to kill people.  Wanna try again?

Right...how so? Do you scratch your ass with the gun? Or just wave it around? Or keep it in a glass vitrine, as decoration? How else would you use a gun? For hunting? No, not a handgun you wouldn't. For fun? Go play video games fcs. What else can you think of?

You can use a large caliber handgun for hunting and have fun target shooting with a pistol or any other gun.  If you don’t want to, that’s fine, but please don’t tell me what hobbies to enjoy.