I'll grant you that point when you start arguing to ban cars because of drunk driving fatalities. There are far more deadly accidents than killings like the one that occurred today.DoobyScoo wrote:
I'm just saying, is it really worth it?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
great way of showing yourself to be an asshole.DoobyScoo wrote:
Apparently there must be periodic sacrifice of innocents to appease the gods so that everyone can have high capacity weapons in America.
gg
American people are too apathetic to ever band together and start a revolution.
The days are over when there was a real need for a citizen militia, despite groups like the Minuteman project, who are really only giving gun owners a bad name.
It's about cost/benefit.
The cost of the peoples right to keep and bear arms has simply reached critical mass and now outweighs the good.
That's not the kind of thing we are into around here, sorry .PureFodder wrote:
The response to this was to pass a law basically outlawing handgun ownership in Britain. Before it was legal to own such weapons, and there was a massacre. We then banned them and there haven't been any.Milk.org wrote:
13th March 1996 Dunblane, granted it was in Scotland but I assume you meant Britain.DoobyScoo wrote:
Guns don't kill people, people do, I get it.
People with guns kill much more efficiently, that's all I'm saying.
Who hunts with a 9mm pistol?
Who would want to live in a soceity where periodically there are mass killings?
When was the last mass shooting in England?
We learnt from our mistakes. Will america?
Ban cars and the economy of your country will grind to a halt. Ban guns and it won't. Cars are vastly more useful than guns.Stingray24 wrote:
I'll grant you that point when you start arguing to ban cars because of drunk driving fatalities. There are far more deadly accidents than killings like the one that occurred today.DoobyScoo wrote:
I'm just saying, is it really worth it?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
great way of showing yourself to be an asshole.
American people are too apathetic to ever band together and start a revolution.
The days are over when there was a real need for a citizen militia, despite groups like the Minuteman project, who are really only giving gun owners a bad name.
It's about cost/benefit.
The cost of the peoples right to keep and bear arms has simply reached critical mass and now outweighs the good.
It's about cost/benefit.
There's no way that guy was just another kid a la Columbine. No way. No average person kills 32 people with a 9mm and .22. Few know who did it at the moment, but I'm betting it's not any old college student.
Condolences to all involved. A sad day.
Condolences to all involved. A sad day.
You don't ban the car, you ban the asshole that can't drive without being buzzed. Bad comparison.Stingray24 wrote:
I'll grant you that point when you start arguing to ban cars because of drunk driving fatalities. There are far more deadly accidents than killings like the one that occurred today.DoobyScoo wrote:
I'm just saying, is it really worth it?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
great way of showing yourself to be an asshole.
American people are too apathetic to ever band together and start a revolution.
The days are over when there was a real need for a citizen militia, despite groups like the Minuteman project, who are really only giving gun owners a bad name.
It's about cost/benefit.
The cost of the peoples right to keep and bear arms has simply reached critical mass and now outweighs the good.
100 years ago we definately needed guns. Now we don't so much.
Cars are a nessacary evil, guns are a unnessacary evil.
Yes evil.
Look at the evidence in Virginia.
According to a preliminary report from the Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), 43,200 died on the nation’s highways in 2005, up from 42,636 in 2004.PureFodder wrote:
Ban cars and the economy of your country will grind to a halt. Ban guns and it won't. Cars are vastly more useful than guns.Stingray24 wrote:
I'll grant you that point when you start arguing to ban cars because of drunk driving fatalities. There are far more deadly accidents than killings like the one that occurred today.DoobyScoo wrote:
I'm just saying, is it really worth it?
American people are too apathetic to ever band together and start a revolution.
The days are over when there was a real need for a citizen militia, despite groups like the Minuteman project, who are really only giving gun owners a bad name.
It's about cost/benefit.
The cost of the peoples right to keep and bear arms has simply reached critical mass and now outweighs the good.
It's about cost/benefit.
If it's truly cost/benefit car deaths are costing the government far more and the US as we know it will cease to exist when all citizens have no means to defend themselves. Those who want guns banned aren't after better cost/benefit ratios, they're after power. Period.
There is an aaawwwffuuuulll lot of unconstitutional talk in this thread. Jefferson would be rolling in his grave.
According to what I've heard he chained the doors shut and made them line up and began shooting them in the head at close range.k30dxedle wrote:
There's no way that guy was just another kid a la Columbine. No way. No average person kills 32 people with a 9mm and .22. Few know who did it at the moment, but I'm betting it's not any old college student.
Condolences to all involved. A sad day.
Thats the trouble when somebody commits such a grossly heinous evil act; it's so hard for a sane person to comprehend that superhuman abilities are prescribed to explain the persons action, i.e. he must have been highly trained, etc.
Chances are, he was a sociopathic loner who spent a lot of time playing video games and plinking. He started his rampage and very seriously carried it out; no special training required.
No, because taken to it logical extreme we would get rid of them all, even the cops couldn't have them.Stingray24 wrote:
Those who want guns banned aren't after better cost/benefit ratios, they're after power. Period.
Guns give the government their power. Who else can legally use lethal force to get their way?
That doesn't make sense: Ban alcohol, and then we're talkingStingray24 wrote:
I'll grant you that point when you start arguing to ban cars because of drunk driving fatalities. There are far more deadly accidents than killings like the one that occurred today.DoobyScoo wrote:
I'm just saying, is it really worth it?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
great way of showing yourself to be an asshole.
American people are too apathetic to ever band together and start a revolution.
The days are over when there was a real need for a citizen militia, despite groups like the Minuteman project, who are really only giving gun owners a bad name.
It's about cost/benefit.
The cost of the peoples right to keep and bear arms has simply reached critical mass and now outweighs the good.
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@CyrusTheVirus - how did that comment help in any way
-konfusion
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Cyrus, the constitution has had so many "amendments" to it, it no longer stands for the simple values it once did. its time to move on.
Gun's in America will never be used for the purpose the constitution saw. its time to recognise that, and move on.
its a tragedy such things can happen, it really is. as is the numbers involved, to act in such a manner to be as selfish to take others with you really shows the depths of humanity.
Gun's in America will never be used for the purpose the constitution saw. its time to recognise that, and move on.
its a tragedy such things can happen, it really is. as is the numbers involved, to act in such a manner to be as selfish to take others with you really shows the depths of humanity.
Even if we only look at regular traffic fatalities it far exceeds shooting deaths. And in drunk driving, the car is the object that killed, not the alcohol. It would be just as ridiculous to ban alcohol because some use it in an irresponsible manner.konfusion wrote:
That doesn't make sense: Ban alcohol, and then we're talkingStingray24 wrote:
I'll grant you that point when you start arguing to ban cars because of drunk driving fatalities. There are far more deadly accidents than killings like the one that occurred today.DoobyScoo wrote:
I'm just saying, is it really worth it?
American people are too apathetic to ever band together and start a revolution.
The days are over when there was a real need for a citizen militia, despite groups like the Minuteman project, who are really only giving gun owners a bad name.
It's about cost/benefit.
The cost of the peoples right to keep and bear arms has simply reached critical mass and now outweighs the good.
-konfusion
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hey thanks for grading my paper, I always love it when my paper gets graded. at least you addressed the issue as well though.oChaos.Haze wrote:
Wow, just wow. If you're going to go the "high and mighty" route, at least spell check. Yeah something that happened 50 years ago is really relevant here. Go learn to form a coherent argument and check back in later mmmmkay?lowing wrote:
Didn't take long for the world socialist party to jump on this story and try and spoon feed their will, on America I see.
From a con tenant that started 2 world wars, we are going to get lectured about gun safety. I love it. Didn't Hitler take away all YOUR guns too??
I think guns should be legal, but with more attention paid to WHO carries them. I have a piece, and I love knowing I have it. You never really know how important a gun is, until you're in a situation where you need one and don't have it. I respect almost anyone's reason for wanting to carry heat. But one must understand that for every reason there is to allow people to carry guns, there's a reason to not allow it. It's a huge gray area.
Usually when I see someone say either, "Guns allowed", or "Guns banned" as blanket statements, I stop paying attention. Obviously people should be allowed to protect themselves, and just as obviously, people should be able to feel safe from mentally ill people and dangerous people getting their hands on guns. The solution does NOT lie with guns and whether they should be allowed or not. It lies within the psyche of the people who carry them. Maybe it should be legal to carry a gun, but only after a background AND psychiatric check. And then SUPER stiff laws on people getting caught with illegal weapons, not just when they use them.
I pretty much agree with what you just said.
I will make ya a deal: I will never talk about the past, 50 YEARS AGO, on the same day I don't have to read shit about the American Indians ( who I defend anyway) civil rights, THE FUCKING CRUSADES, or anything else, when discussing current events like shit in the ME. Deal???
Oh add to it, I don't wanna hear shit about who owned the land of Israel 5000 years ago either when dicussing that bullshit either.
The past is off limits when discussing current events for you. Good luck in this forum.
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LOL, good luck with that one!lowing wrote:
hey thanks for grading my paper, I always love it when my paper gets graded. at least you addressed the issue as well though.oChaos.Haze wrote:
Wow, just wow. If you're going to go the "high and mighty" route, at least spell check. Yeah something that happened 50 years ago is really relevant here. Go learn to form a coherent argument and check back in later mmmmkay?lowing wrote:
Didn't take long for the world socialist party to jump on this story and try and spoon feed their will, on America I see.
From a con tenant that started 2 world wars, we are going to get lectured about gun safety. I love it. Didn't Hitler take away all YOUR guns too??
I think guns should be legal, but with more attention paid to WHO carries them. I have a piece, and I love knowing I have it. You never really know how important a gun is, until you're in a situation where you need one and don't have it. I respect almost anyone's reason for wanting to carry heat. But one must understand that for every reason there is to allow people to carry guns, there's a reason to not allow it. It's a huge gray area.
Usually when I see someone say either, "Guns allowed", or "Guns banned" as blanket statements, I stop paying attention. Obviously people should be allowed to protect themselves, and just as obviously, people should be able to feel safe from mentally ill people and dangerous people getting their hands on guns. The solution does NOT lie with guns and whether they should be allowed or not. It lies within the psyche of the people who carry them. Maybe it should be legal to carry a gun, but only after a background AND psychiatric check. And then SUPER stiff laws on people getting caught with illegal weapons, not just when they use them.
I pretty much agree with what you just said.
I will make ya a deal: I will never talk about the past, 50 YEARS AGO, on the same day I don't have to read shit about the American Indians ( who I defend anyway) civil rights, THE FUCKING CRUSADES, or anything else, when discussing current events like shit in the ME. Deal???
Oh add to it, I don't wanna hear shit about who owned the land of Israel 5000 years ago either when dicussing that bullshit either.
The past is off limits when discussing current events for you. Good luck in this forum.
How will this help catch criminals who don't obtain weapons legally, thus avoiding the background and psych check? We have plenty of laws already, they just need to be enforced.oChaos.Haze wrote:
The solution does NOT lie with guns and whether they should be allowed or not. It lies within the psyche of the people who carry them. Maybe it should be legal to carry a gun, but only after a background AND psychiatric check. And then SUPER stiff laws on people getting caught with illegal weapons, not just when they use them.
Would everyone stop making stupid comparisons between guns and cars and alcohol...and whatever else can kill you. If you're going to make comparison at least try to make it with comparable items e.g. alcohol vs drugs or guns vs. something else that is made with it's sole purpose to kill things.
And please put it into a different thread and not hijack this one.
And please put it into a different thread and not hijack this one.
The sole purpose of guns is not to kill people. Wanna try again?
"Gun's in America will never be used for the purpose the constitution saw."Toxicseagull wrote:
Cyrus, the constitution has had so many "amendments" to it, it no longer stands for the simple values it once did. its time to move on.
Gun's in America will never be used for the purpose the constitution saw. its time to recognise that, and move on.
Obviously this wise guy is oblivious to the fact that Islam and their terrorists wants to take over the world. You must have been asleep since 9/10. Ain't nobody taking my arsenal away from me - it's my right as a citizen of the greatest country in the world to pack a means of defending myself.
What the hell is your problem? Wife left you? Never hugged as a child? Quit venting your anger here and get a therapist. I'm sure tons of people would appreciate it.lowing wrote:
hey thanks for grading my paper, I always love it when my paper gets graded. at least you addressed the issue as well though.
I pretty much agree with what you just said.
I will make ya a deal: I will never talk about the past, 50 YEARS AGO, on the same day I don't have to read shit about the American Indians ( who I defend anyway) civil rights, THE FUCKING CRUSADES, or anything else, when discussing current events like shit in the ME. Deal???
Oh add to it, I don't wanna hear shit about who owned the land of Israel 5000 years ago either when dicussing that bullshit either.
The past is off limits when discussing current events for you. Good luck in this forum.
-konfusion
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Right...how so? Do you scratch your ass with the gun? Or just wave it around? Or keep it in a glass vitrine, as decoration? How else would you use a gun? For hunting? No, not a handgun you wouldn't. For fun? Go play video games fcs. What else can you think of?Stingray24 wrote:
The sole purpose of guns is not to kill people. Wanna try again?
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Why the anger on your part konfusion?konfusion wrote:
What the hell is your problem? Wife left you? Never hugged as a child? Quit venting your anger here and get a therapist. I'm sure tons of people would appreciate it.lowing wrote:
hey thanks for grading my paper, I always love it when my paper gets graded. at least you addressed the issue as well though.
I pretty much agree with what you just said.
I will make ya a deal: I will never talk about the past, 50 YEARS AGO, on the same day I don't have to read shit about the American Indians ( who I defend anyway) civil rights, THE FUCKING CRUSADES, or anything else, when discussing current events like shit in the ME. Deal???
Oh add to it, I don't wanna hear shit about who owned the land of Israel 5000 years ago either when dicussing that bullshit either.
The past is off limits when discussing current events for you. Good luck in this forum.
-konfusion
I understand where he is coming from.
Stingray24 wrote:
The sole purpose of guns is not to kill people. Wanna try again?
Clearly reading isn't a strong point for you.Redback00 wrote:
sole purpose to kill things.
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Venting here is better than going and hugging a kid.... really really hard...ATG wrote:
Why the anger on your part konfusion?konfusion wrote:
What the hell is your problem? Wife left you? Never hugged as a child? Quit venting your anger here and get a therapist. I'm sure tons of people would appreciate it.lowing wrote:
hey thanks for grading my paper, I always love it when my paper gets graded. at least you addressed the issue as well though.
I pretty much agree with what you just said.
I will make ya a deal: I will never talk about the past, 50 YEARS AGO, on the same day I don't have to read shit about the American Indians ( who I defend anyway) civil rights, THE FUCKING CRUSADES, or anything else, when discussing current events like shit in the ME. Deal???
Oh add to it, I don't wanna hear shit about who owned the land of Israel 5000 years ago either when dicussing that bullshit either.
The past is off limits when discussing current events for you. Good luck in this forum.
-konfusion
I understand where he is coming from.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266460,00.html
Check out this article! The parents are already demanding the firing of the school president.
What have I told you guys. . . .heads are going to roll as a result of this massacre!
Total incompetence at the hands of the VT president and police. . . .That police chief has no clue whats going on!! Have you watched his stupid ass!!
So sad, absolutely tragic!! I cannot believe these pricks didnt notify people FOR TWO FUCKING HOURS while the gunmen was on the loose!! They "thought the situation was contained". . . . . .Fuck you!! You dont have the shooter! How the fuck is the situation contained guys???? Unbelieveable. . . .
Check out this article! The parents are already demanding the firing of the school president.
What have I told you guys. . . .heads are going to roll as a result of this massacre!
Total incompetence at the hands of the VT president and police. . . .That police chief has no clue whats going on!! Have you watched his stupid ass!!
So sad, absolutely tragic!! I cannot believe these pricks didnt notify people FOR TWO FUCKING HOURS while the gunmen was on the loose!! They "thought the situation was contained". . . . . .Fuck you!! You dont have the shooter! How the fuck is the situation contained guys???? Unbelieveable. . . .
take my guns and your going to try to ban my 9 iron cause some robber decided to check out my house.
i have a right to defend myself....whether the world sees fit or not.
im so tired of this ban guns bullshit......look at england. they banned guns, now they are having a problem with knives.....ban the knives, youll have problems with people carrying sticks.
we have something in america that i like to call "The Daniel Boone Syndrome".
its one of the main problems with gun ownership in this country. most males seem to think that since they were born in america they can operate any firearm proficiently....that is not the case, and in fact leads to many of the accidents that give good owners a bad name.
i have a right to defend myself....whether the world sees fit or not.
im so tired of this ban guns bullshit......look at england. they banned guns, now they are having a problem with knives.....ban the knives, youll have problems with people carrying sticks.
we have something in america that i like to call "The Daniel Boone Syndrome".
its one of the main problems with gun ownership in this country. most males seem to think that since they were born in america they can operate any firearm proficiently....that is not the case, and in fact leads to many of the accidents that give good owners a bad name.
another thing i was thinking about.......does anyone know how far away VT is from langley?
that is where the fbis hrt guys are and they could have dealt with that very quickly......like how they were supposed to.
the authorities should have had EVERY SINGLE person on campus with their hands over their heads until they figured out who the wolf was in all those sheep. i have no idea why they wouldnt follow this sop.........heads are rolling gentlemen.
that is where the fbis hrt guys are and they could have dealt with that very quickly......like how they were supposed to.
the authorities should have had EVERY SINGLE person on campus with their hands over their heads until they figured out who the wolf was in all those sheep. i have no idea why they wouldnt follow this sop.........heads are rolling gentlemen.