BF2S Forums Neo-Cons: Allies of Terrorism (Lite)

CameronPoe wrote:

For all those who have difficulty reading large posts...

Ridir wrote:

So sitting back and doing what the terrorist what they want (free reign, prisoners, complete and utter removal of all Western Countries influence, money, companies, bases, etc) is going to make the terrorism suddenly go down?

CameronPoe wrote:

This is just a 'straight to the punchline' summary of this Original Post (for all those who have difficulty reading): http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=69804

Bottom Line:

- You can call me an ally of terror if it pleases you but the fact of the matter is I abhorr terrorism. The true allies of terror are the Neo-Conservative movement and those who support it: every action they take seems to breed terrorism. Bali - 7/7 - Madrid Metro - every day in Iraq - every day in Afghanistan. Bush and his cohorts are helping the terrorists to spread their sick ethos across the world by doing everything that the terrorists could possibly want to augment their ability to recruit. By driving a wedge between the West and Islam in the media and charging around the middle east like a loose cannon they have successfully created the environment in which fringe extremist groups have grown in size, influence, ability (Iraq/Afghanistan=training ground) and power.

- What is so sad is that terrorism in USA could have been prevented by implementing Israeli domestic security doctrine. Despite being bombarded by enemies within and without acts of terrorism have become few and far between in Israel. Why? BORDER CONTROLS, INTELLIGENCE, POLICING. Beyond their own recognised borders Israel are animals but they know how to prevent terrorism within their recognised borders (Lebanon conflict stupidity aside).

- The Neo-Cons have been in control of the presidency, congress and senate for the vast majority of the time elapsed since 9/11. The blame for their failed actions lie squarely at their own feet. There are no excuses. Their was no threat of any policy they adopted not making it through either house. In Bush's second term he didn't have to care about public opinion - he could do whatever he wanted in a largely consequence free environment: opinion polls are meaningless when it comes to policy-making for an outgoing president. His actions are his own and the blame attached to their failure is his own also.

- Neo-Conservatives: I largely blame YOU for the surge in terrorism on this planet.  Pull your heads out of your fucking arses.

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-12 17:35:48)

CameronPoe wrote:

This is just a 'straight to the punchline' summary of this Original Post (for all those who have difficulty reading): http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=69804

Bottom Line:

- You can call me an ally of terror if it pleases you but the fact of the matter is I abhorr terrorism. The true allies of terror are the Neo-Conservative movement and those who support it: every action they take seems to breed terrorism. Bali - 7/7 - Madrid Metro - every day in Iraq - every day in Afghanistan. Bush and his cohorts are helping the terrorists to spread their sick ethos across the world by doing everything that the terrorists could possibly want to augment their ability to recruit. By driving a wedge between the West and Islam in the media and charging around the middle east like a loose cannon they have successfully created the environment in which fringe extremist groups have grown in size, influence, ability (Iraq/Afghanistan=training ground) and power.

- What is so sad is that terrorism in USA could have been prevented by implementing Israeli domestic security doctrine. Despite being bombarded by enemies within and without acts of terrorism have become few and far between in Israel. Why? BORDER CONTROLS, INTELLIGENCE, POLICING. Beyond their own recognised borders Israel are animals but they know how to prevent terrorism within their recognised borders (Lebanon conflict stupidity aside).

- The Neo-Cons have been in control of the presidency, congress and senate for the vast majority of the time elapsed since 9/11. The blame for their failed actions lie squarely at their own feet. There are no excuses. Their was no threat of any policy they adopted not making it through either house. In Bush's second term he didn't have to care about public opinion - he could do whatever he wanted in a largely consequence free environment: opinion polls are meaningless when it comes to policy-making for an outgoing president. His actions are his own and the blame attached to their failure is his own also.

- Neo-Conservatives: I largely blame YOU for the surge in terrorism on this planet.  Pull your heads out of your fucking arses.

Kmarion wrote:

Pinto wrote:

I love how this complete hack always lectures about the US and he doesn't know shit.

This is a debate forum. Expect opinions.

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-04-12 18:50:05)

lowing wrote:

Unfortunately for your post. It was a democratic administration that tried to use diplomacy for 10 years before 911 to thwart terrorism, yet enjoyed the same results. Bombings and murder.

Pinto wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

This is just a 'straight to the punchline' summary of this Original Post (for all those who have difficulty reading): http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=69804

Bottom Line:

- You can call me an ally of terror if it pleases you but the fact of the matter is I abhorr terrorism. The true allies of terror are the Neo-Conservative movement and those who support it: every action they take seems to breed terrorism. Bali - 7/7 - Madrid Metro - every day in Iraq - every day in Afghanistan. Bush and his cohorts are helping the terrorists to spread their sick ethos across the world by doing everything that the terrorists could possibly want to augment their ability to recruit. By driving a wedge between the West and Islam in the media and charging around the middle east like a loose cannon they have successfully created the environment in which fringe extremist groups have grown in size, influence, ability (Iraq/Afghanistan=training ground) and power.

- What is so sad is that terrorism in USA could have been prevented by implementing Israeli domestic security doctrine. Despite being bombarded by enemies within and without acts of terrorism have become few and far between in Israel. Why? BORDER CONTROLS, INTELLIGENCE, POLICING. Beyond their own recognised borders Israel are animals but they know how to prevent terrorism within their recognised borders (Lebanon conflict stupidity aside).

- The Neo-Cons have been in control of the presidency, congress and senate for the vast majority of the time elapsed since 9/11. The blame for their failed actions lie squarely at their own feet. There are no excuses. Their was no threat of any policy they adopted not making it through either house. In Bush's second term he didn't have to care about public opinion - he could do whatever he wanted in a largely consequence free environment: opinion polls are meaningless when it comes to policy-making for an outgoing president. His actions are his own and the blame attached to their failure is his own also.

- Neo-Conservatives: I largely blame YOU for the surge in terrorism on this planet.  Pull your heads out of your fucking arses.

Leave it to a guy who supports the IRA to lecture on terrorism.  There were terrorist activities vs the US when Carter and Clinton were in office--what's your excuse for that?

I love how this complete hack always lectures about the US and he doesn't know shit.

thanks_champ wrote:

Mate, I generally don't bother replying to you because you have your f-ing blinkers on and never consider any points of view other than your own. You simply state your opinion and then point out without question and usually quite obnoxiously that it renders other peoples views null and void.

RoosterCantrell wrote:

I'm a big fan of Civil wars.  Let Iraq have one.

Ridir wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Ridir wrote:

So sitting back and doing what the terrorist what they want (free reign, prisoners, complete and utter removal of all Western Countries influence, money, companies, bases, etc) is going to make the terrorism suddenly go down?

Well if the Neo-Cons had adopted the policies proposed in the more extensive version of my thread then YES terrorism would not be as extensive as it is today. You know you can stop people flying planes into skyscrapers if you don't let them into your country in the first place, don't you?

Just finished reading the full thread, sounds nice and all but there are a few problems.

The United States has been blamed many times for closing it's borders and closing them is harder then you can imagine.  Sealing off the entire country is virtually impossible in any case. 

The USSR and the USA were in a proxy battle over the world for the spread of Communism and Capitalism.  The Middle East just happened to be sitting on some of the world's most valuable natural resources so they happened to get fiddled with.  This has happened for centuries, the strong have dominated the weak. These aren't even a quarter of the countries, kingdoms, and empires from the past that have done this. Persia (Now Iran), Greece, Rome, China, Japan, Britain, France, Spain, the USSR, and finally the USA.  To expect the USA to refuse to protect its interests overseas is about as smart as expecting the people there to refuse to defend their land. 

The reason why Rome lasted so much longer then the Greek empire is because Rome offered citizenship to the people it conquered, Greece did not.  The trouble for the USA is that it does not conquer but merely makes treaties with over countries governments for their resources, and not always to the benefit of the populace.