No, the price of corn is so good because our government subsidizes the corn industry to the tune of about $5 billion dollars a year. We can fill about 100 pages with posts about corn subsidies...bob_6012 wrote:
They do use corn for ethanol, that's why the price of corn is so good.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
I thought they used corn instead of sugarcane for ethanol.Skorpy-chan wrote:
Of course, if everyone were to switch to ethanol, things would be cheaper. Oil has to be extracted, sugarcane grows like a weed.
That statement is an anomaly in itself. There are things that are efficient, then there is public transportation, but they very rarely combine. At least where I live.Masques wrote:
Efficient public transportation FTW!
Where I live the public transport is good enough that I can save myself the expense of a car. It really does free up a lot of money if you walk if possible and if not take the train/bus/tram. No fuel/tax/MOT/maintenance/insurance/parking.heavy_chevy wrote:
That statement is an anomaly in itself. There are things that are efficient, then there is public transportation, but they very rarely combine. At least where I live.Masques wrote:
Efficient public transportation FTW!
I live in New Hampshire. Not much public transportation here unless you can catch a ride with one of the two cops that are in my town. They are usually to drunk to drive though.PureFodder wrote:
Where I live the public transport is good enough that I can save myself the expense of a car. It really does free up a lot of money if you walk if possible and if not take the train/bus/tram. No fuel/tax/MOT/maintenance/insurance/parking.heavy_chevy wrote:
That statement is an anomaly in itself. There are things that are efficient, then there is public transportation, but they very rarely combine. At least where I live.Masques wrote:
Efficient public transportation FTW!
There's a bus about every 7 minutes during the day going from down the end of my road to town, or a couple of minutes walk to the tram stop. If it's not raining I'll usually choose to walk anyway.heavy_chevy wrote:
I live in New Hampshire. Not much public transportation here unless you can catch a ride with one of the two cops that are in my town. They are usually to drunk to drive though.PureFodder wrote:
Where I live the public transport is good enough that I can save myself the expense of a car. It really does free up a lot of money if you walk if possible and if not take the train/bus/tram. No fuel/tax/MOT/maintenance/insurance/parking.heavy_chevy wrote:
That statement is an anomaly in itself. There are things that are efficient, then there is public transportation, but they very rarely combine. At least where I live.
Where do you live Purefodder?
UK, midlands.heavy_chevy wrote:
Where do you live Purefodder?
That explains it.PureFodder wrote:
UK, midlands.heavy_chevy wrote:
Where do you live Purefodder?
Not quite true, a lot of modern V8's are now getting better mileage than some of there four cylinder counter parts. Take for example the Chevy SS Impala, it has the best mileage in the Impala series and sports a V8 under the hood. Though that V8 does only run on four cylinders most of the time, it only fires up all 8 when power is needed. The new Corvette is also a good example, gets almost 30mpg which is better than many 4 and 6 cylinder sports cars.RDMC(2) wrote:
Stop using the damn V8, that sucks up 245 gallon on the mile use little cars like us europeans
But for the most part V8's get lousy mileage, but this usually has more to do with the fact that they are usually pushing heavier vehicles.
My experiences of US public transport haven't exactly been amazing. I seem to remember Seattle has some decent bus services, but Florida was buy-a-car-or-stay-at-home country. The Greyhounds are ok if you ignore all the nutters in the bus stations. Intercity public transport in the US is obviously much worse as everything's a stupid distance away from anything compaired to the UK. Rural towns in the US are alot more isolated from the cities than here.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
That explains it.PureFodder wrote:
UK, midlands.heavy_chevy wrote:
Where do you live Purefodder?
Pft, nothing, went to visit my parents last week and prices in Nor cal had reached over $4 a gallon.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
One thing I hate is how over here in the US they say "The national average for a gallon of gas is $2.60."delta4bravo*nl* wrote:
Good would love to see the us get close to what we pay here.
Ok, if we over here in Southern California are paying OVER $3.00 for gas, which lucky bastards in the nation are paying less that $2.00?
California always has the most expensive gas in the country because California gas is full of additives that supposedly make it burn cleaner and produce less pollution, but what they fail to tell you about these additives is that vehicles get worse mileage with California gas. But it's a law in California that gas has to have these additives, so Californians keep getting screwed.
For all you Americans: buy Asian cars. I swear, the USA is the only country that has companies who haven't even tried to bring their gas consumption down. Asian cars do about 10x the mileage/gallon of any American car, and last longer - although, sorry to say, they probably don't have the same strength in motor. But are you a trucker? Do you need that?
-konfusion
-konfusion
Saying 10x is far from the truth there.konfusion wrote:
For all you Americans: buy Asian cars. I swear, the USA is the only country that has companies who haven't even tried to bring their gas consumption down. Asian cars do about 10x the mileage/gallon of any American car, and last longer - although, sorry to say, they probably don't have the same strength in motor. But are you a trucker? Do you need that?
-konfusion
I just wonder how long it's gonna take the US auto companies to realize that they're going to lose big time in the near future because of Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc.
Obviously I exaggerated - but you get my point, right?acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
Saying 10x is far from the truth there.konfusion wrote:
For all you Americans: buy Asian cars. I swear, the USA is the only country that has companies who haven't even tried to bring their gas consumption down. Asian cars do about 10x the mileage/gallon of any American car, and last longer - although, sorry to say, they probably don't have the same strength in motor. But are you a trucker? Do you need that?
-konfusion
I just wonder how long it's gonna take the US auto companies to realize that they're going to lose big time in the near future because of Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc.
-konfusion
Of course.konfusion wrote:
Obviously I exaggerated - but you get my point, right?acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
Saying 10x is far from the truth there.konfusion wrote:
For all you Americans: buy Asian cars. I swear, the USA is the only country that has companies who haven't even tried to bring their gas consumption down. Asian cars do about 10x the mileage/gallon of any American car, and last longer - although, sorry to say, they probably don't have the same strength in motor. But are you a trucker? Do you need that?
-konfusion
I just wonder how long it's gonna take the US auto companies to realize that they're going to lose big time in the near future because of Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc.
-konfusion
Yes, I'm aware of the subsidies, but the fact that ethanol is coming around is not hurting the price either, that's all I was saying.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No, the price of corn is so good because our government subsidizes the corn industry to the tune of about $5 billion dollars a year. We can fill about 100 pages with posts about corn subsidies...bob_6012 wrote:
They do use corn for ethanol, that's why the price of corn is so good.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
I thought they used corn instead of sugarcane for ethanol.
Iran needed the money so they kidnapped those dumbass brits.
Net total 167 million.
Net total 167 million.
Buses in DC suck. Way too fucking slow... waited 25 minutes for a 10-minute bus.
Makes you wish the war was about oil.
Not really true, most of the American cars that are the equivalent of Japanese cars get pretty much the same mileage. And American cars are just about as reliable (well at least GM, but I know GM vehicles quite well) as a Toyota or Honda, which BTW are really the only companies from japan that I would agree with if someone said they were more reliable than American cars, Nissan is pretty good, but I'd say it's about equal to American cars for reliability. Mazda isn't really Japanese, it's Ford. Mitsubishi's are serious pieces of crap, Isuzu actually builds the Diesel engines used by GM.konfusion wrote:
For all you Americans: buy Asian cars. I swear, the USA is the only country that has companies who haven't even tried to bring their gas consumption down. Asian cars do about 10x the mileage/gallon of any American car, and last longer - although, sorry to say, they probably don't have the same strength in motor. But are you a trucker? Do you need that?
-konfusion
The problem American car companies have is that they haven't been able to ditch the reputation they developed in the 80's and 90's as being junk cars.
Christ...i thought we had it bad in Fresno....3.15 right now.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
Seriously. The public bus that's supposed to come by where I live everyday is always late or never shows.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
yeah, good luck finding that in SoCal. Or pretty much anywhere in the US outside Chicago, NY, or SF.Masques wrote:
Efficient public transportation FTW!
As for the topic, I was riding my bike to Target about an hour ago, and the prices of the 76 and Arco just off the freeway were insane. They were both over $3.65 for Regular Unleaded, when the Arco and Citgo over by my school is only about $3.25.
Dont get me wrong I love a good muscle or sportscar but 30MPG is not good.
Over here most new cars run 50mpg or better.
and with a gas price of $7.31 per gallon you want it to be.
The strange thing is that Diesel is cheaper than gas here unlike in the us many cars use diesel as feul these days.
Over here most new cars run 50mpg or better.
and with a gas price of $7.31 per gallon you want it to be.
The strange thing is that Diesel is cheaper than gas here unlike in the us many cars use diesel as feul these days.
Why do you think GM sales are going down? My dad worked for them up to about 6 years ago (thank god: they've been going down ever since). They may be reliable, but the mileage per gallon is terrible! All American cars cannot really be compared to the Asian ones, because they simply can't or won't keep up!ts-pulsar wrote:
Not really true, most of the American cars that are the equivalent of Japanese cars get pretty much the same mileage. And American cars are just about as reliable (well at least GM, but I know GM vehicles quite well) as a Toyota or Honda, which BTW are really the only companies from japan that I would agree with if someone said they were more reliable than American cars, Nissan is pretty good, but I'd say it's about equal to American cars for reliability. Mazda isn't really Japanese, it's Ford. Mitsubishi's are serious pieces of crap, Isuzu actually builds the Diesel engines used by GM.konfusion wrote:
For all you Americans: buy Asian cars. I swear, the USA is the only country that has companies who haven't even tried to bring their gas consumption down. Asian cars do about 10x the mileage/gallon of any American car, and last longer - although, sorry to say, they probably don't have the same strength in motor. But are you a trucker? Do you need that?
-konfusion
The problem American car companies have is that they haven't been able to ditch the reputation they developed in the 80's and 90's as being junk cars.
As I said above, it's not true that it's 10x, but definitely a lot higher!
On another note, I really hope that the USA starts using Ethanol (Brazil, being a semi-third-world-country even does - catch the hint?). They're using the most gas - more than anyone else in the world. It's time the USA started cleaning up it's act.
-konfusion
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu … 01652.htmlhttp://www.pittsburghlive.com wrote:
Gasoline taxes were higher in Europe than the U.S. even before Kyoto and currently average nearly $4 per gallon, bringing the pump price well above $6. In comparison, gasoline in the U.S. is subject to federal taxes of 18.4 cents per gallon and varying state and local taxes for a total of 42 cents per gallon on average -- putting the price for regular gas in the U.S. around $2.58 per gallon.
The British, Germans, French, Belgians, Dutch and Italians are now shelling out $6.55, $6.45, $6.21, $6.44, $7.09 and $6.24 per gallon, respectively, for premium gas. Yet they are driving more, not less.
Why? Joel Schwartz of the American Enterprise Institute believes that "despite the costs of owning and operating an automobile, people choose automobiles the world over because no other form of transportation comes anywhere close to providing comparable speed, flexibility, privacy and convenience." Even at $6 per gallon, many Europeans -- whose per capita incomes are lower than those in the U.S. -- are willing to cut back on other things rather than cut back on driving.
We pay loads more!
Birmingham? ... The buses aint too bad, I drive the 11... tho if you like listening to other peoples shite music, passive weed smoking and fighting knife wielding teenagers, I suppose its all peachy.PureFodder wrote:
There's a bus about every 7 minutes during the day going from down the end of my road to town, or a couple of minutes walk to the tram stop. If it's not raining I'll usually choose to walk anyway.
Still cheaper than a car tho.
Which cars are you comparing? Because when you start comparing economy cars to economy cars, American cars get the same mileage as Japanese. When you start comparing the larger cars and SUV's is when you get the difference in mileage, and thats cause the American vehicles are built bigger and heavier, which for some reason that is beyond me is what American people seem to like, I've always been a fan of smaller cars and trucks.konfusion wrote:
Why do you think GM sales are going down? My dad worked for them up to about 6 years ago (thank god: they've been going down ever since). They may be reliable, but the mileage per gallon is terrible! All American cars cannot really be compared to the Asian ones, because they simply can't or won't keep up!ts-pulsar wrote:
Not really true, most of the American cars that are the equivalent of Japanese cars get pretty much the same mileage. And American cars are just about as reliable (well at least GM, but I know GM vehicles quite well) as a Toyota or Honda, which BTW are really the only companies from japan that I would agree with if someone said they were more reliable than American cars, Nissan is pretty good, but I'd say it's about equal to American cars for reliability. Mazda isn't really Japanese, it's Ford. Mitsubishi's are serious pieces of crap, Isuzu actually builds the Diesel engines used by GM.konfusion wrote:
For all you Americans: buy Asian cars. I swear, the USA is the only country that has companies who haven't even tried to bring their gas consumption down. Asian cars do about 10x the mileage/gallon of any American car, and last longer - although, sorry to say, they probably don't have the same strength in motor. But are you a trucker? Do you need that?
-konfusion
The problem American car companies have is that they haven't been able to ditch the reputation they developed in the 80's and 90's as being junk cars.
As I said above, it's not true that it's 10x, but definitely a lot higher!
On another note, I really hope that the USA starts using Ethanol (Brazil, being a semi-third-world-country even does - catch the hint?). They're using the most gas - more than anyone else in the world. It's time the USA started cleaning up it's act.
-konfusion
I am noticing you don't live in the US, which might explain why some of what your saying doesn't ring true with me. Europe has cars on the market that aren't on the market at all in the US. When you say 50mpg I can think of only a couple production cars for sale in the US that get that mileage, and they are all hybrids. Most cars (cars not SUV's or trucks) average 30-40mpg here in the states which ever manufacturer makes them.
And 30mpg is damn good mileage for a sports car producing 400hp. My 91 MR2 Turbo only get 25mpg if I'm lucky, and It's only got half the power of the corvette, and weighs less than the corvette.