As the human species stopped being nomadic and started building more permanent residence, farming and raising animals for food, laws had to be made to maintain order. This occurred well before the presence of God and modern day religion. Hell, even within the nomadic periods there had to be rules. Without some form a governance, even if we would consider it primitive by today's standards, are still rules/laws created by man.Miller wrote:
How in the first place were laws concieved?KylieTastic wrote:
I'm still amazed every time someone comes out with this (or similar).Miller wrote:
You can't determine right from wrong if atheist as there is no right from wrong without the religious standpoint.
- Firstly check any dictionary: right and wrong are not religious definitions.
- Secondly Atheists can take right and wrong from the law or any other social norms (some that may come from religions even)
- Lastly many/most Atheists go by the rule: "judge others as you would be judged yourself" or "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
Basically right and wrong are concepts that are subjective:
Religion puts down its 'rules' that the religious choose to make that judgement by. Other people have other roots for there 'rules'
What worries me most is to me this always sounds like your saying that if you didn't believe in God and thus his rules for right and wrong that you see no reason not to kill, rape, steal, etc....
Its a good job Atheists do judge right from wrong or some parts of the world would be anarchy!
The human species was around long before the concept of God, and with nothing but anarchy we would not have survived. You would have to be completely self centered and quite sanctimonious to think that the only reason we have laws and rules, and judge what is right from wrong, is due to religion.