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Last edited by EVieira (2007-04-07 21:30:28)
If by hardball, you mean torture, than you're wrong. Iran did not torture the british sailors.TrollmeaT wrote:
They play hard ball & so do we.
Nor we the diplomat. Do you believe everything Iranians say and nothing else? Personally, I believe the Brits when they say the Iranians gave them a hard time because their government won't kill them if they say otherwise. I'm not so sure about an Iranian diplomat however.jonsimon wrote:
If by hardball, you mean torture, than you're wrong. Iran did not torture the british sailors.TrollmeaT wrote:
They play hard ball & so do we.
Last edited by Kmarion (2007-04-07 21:52:59)
We have a proven record of applications of torture. I find it highly plausible to believe he was tortured. The brits, however, did not claim to be tortured, and I will assume that they would not omit a fact like that. The brits claimed to be interrogated and intimidated, but never once harmed physically.iamangry wrote:
Nor we the diplomat. Do you believe everything Iranians say and nothing else? Personally, I believe the Brits when they say the Iranians gave them a hard time because their government won't kill them if they say otherwise. I'm not so sure about an Iranian diplomat however.jonsimon wrote:
If by hardball, you mean torture, than you're wrong. Iran did not torture the british sailors.TrollmeaT wrote:
They play hard ball & so do we.
Pointing loaded guns to people's heads fits into my definition of torture if sleep deprivation and beating (not even supposed to do this one) fits into your definition. You won't die from lack of sleep or taking a few hits in the stomach. You will if the guy with the gun has greasy fingers and it slips. Both are forms of inducing duress. But lets stay out of the finer points of torture philosophy and get back to your overwhelming willingness to believe someone who is under control of a repressive regime that has little regard for human rights over a government that requires buildings to be wheelchair accessible and troops to not cuff terrorists hands behind their back (got that from a friend who spent time in afghanistan. He was almost stabbed on a few occasions by terrorists because of this measure). I'm sorry, but it just seems a little ridiculous to me.jonsimon wrote:
We have a proven record of applications of torture. I find it highly plausible to believe he was tortured. The brits, however, did not claim to be tortured, and I will assume that they would not omit a fact like that. The brits claimed to be interrogated and intimidated, but never once harmed physically.iamangry wrote:
Nor we the diplomat. Do you believe everything Iranians say and nothing else? Personally, I believe the Brits when they say the Iranians gave them a hard time because their government won't kill them if they say otherwise. I'm not so sure about an Iranian diplomat however.jonsimon wrote:
If by hardball, you mean torture, than you're wrong. Iran did not torture the british sailors.
Correction, you will die from sleep deprevation or beatings, you will not die from a gun being cocked in the room. Sleep deprevation is a physical torture, and inflicts physiological and neurological damage to your body. Hearing a noise while blindfolded is purely psychological. You're right, torture is ridiculous, and we should stop using it.iamangry wrote:
Pointing loaded guns to people's heads fits into my definition of torture if sleep deprivation and beating (not even supposed to do this one) fits into your definition. You won't die from lack of sleep or taking a few hits in the stomach. You will if the guy with the gun has greasy fingers and it slips. Both are forms of inducing duress. But lets stay out of the finer points of torture philosophy and get back to your overwhelming willingness to believe someone who is under control of a repressive regime that has little regard for human rights over a government that requires buildings to be wheelchair accessible and troops to not cuff terrorists hands behind their back (got that from a friend who spent time in afghanistan. He was almost stabbed on a few occasions by terrorists because of this measure). I'm sorry, but it just seems a little ridiculous to me.jonsimon wrote:
We have a proven record of applications of torture. I find it highly plausible to believe he was tortured. The brits, however, did not claim to be tortured, and I will assume that they would not omit a fact like that. The brits claimed to be interrogated and intimidated, but never once harmed physically.iamangry wrote:
Nor we the diplomat. Do you believe everything Iranians say and nothing else? Personally, I believe the Brits when they say the Iranians gave them a hard time because their government won't kill them if they say otherwise. I'm not so sure about an Iranian diplomat however.
Last edited by jonsimon (2007-04-07 22:14:09)
Sure they didn't torture they Brits other than psychologically, but they use torture everyday as we do.jonsimon wrote:
If by hardball, you mean torture, than you're wrong. Iran did not torture the British sailors.TrollmeaT wrote:
They play hard ball & so do we.
I simply found your statement to be inaccurate in this narrow context. However, in the broader context you have now provided, it certainly seems plausible.TrollmeaT wrote:
Sure they didn't torture they Brits other than psychologically, but they use torture everyday as we do.jonsimon wrote:
If by hardball, you mean torture, than you're wrong. Iran did not torture the British sailors.TrollmeaT wrote:
They play hard ball & so do we.
http://www.payvand.com/news/06/oct/1239.html
I'm curious as to why you defend them all the time?
Last edited by jonsimon (2007-04-07 22:26:44)
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