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What will happen to poor Monica Goodling in front of Congress later?

She'll cut a deal and spill her guts.16%16% - 3
She'll get subpeonaed and take one for the team.33%33% - 6
She'll have a mysterious "accident".50%50% - 9
Total: 18
2007-04-07 00:40:13
GorillaTicTacs
Member
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_ … GNsBqyFz4D
This is a news article...what follows is my own editorialized surmisings....

For those of you following the attorney scandal, the chick Gonzo picked to throw under the bus for this whole thing instead decided to pre-emptively "plead the 5th".  Basically, saying that by testifying she knows she would be found guilty of something.  Now, this chicks still under 30 and is looking at a being disbarred from ever being a lawyer again, so will she go down with the ship or help unravel everything?
2007-04-07 01:46:20
ATG
Banned
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This best covers it:


http://images.google.com/images?q=clown … amp;tab=wi
2007-04-07 02:12:29
topal63
. . .
+533|7149

ATG wrote:

This best covers it:


http://images.google.com/images?q=clown … amp;tab=wi
Hmm... so now you're ATG: Tragic poet of the Apocolypse... I kinda like that, for an odd reason, as a statement/concept - it makes me feel sort of warm and fuzzy on the inside.

It's spelled: Apocalypse... and originally in Greek (as it is a word of Greek origin) meant: to unveil -  or in a sense to peel back and uncover the meaning behind the surface of things/reality (REVELATION BABY!). The book of Revelation (Apocalypse) is metaphor & imagery: of turmoil and suffering in the world that is ever present (from generation to generation), and yet in this world where suffering and death will touch everyone, there is God (alpha and omega), God has the first word - and the final say. Suffering and death always was, is, and shall be, and in the midst of that - there is God (alpha and omega) - it is oddly a message of hope through faith (not a literal thing). Apocalypse is every day ... and for eternity!

Last edited by topal63 (2007-04-07 02:37:23)

2007-04-07 06:09:54
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6785
So you think she will be the next VINCE FOSTER ?

This adminitration hasn't had cabinit members show up DEAD in City parks.

Democrats need to put forth some real substance soon. People wont fall for this nonsense for much longer.
2007-04-07 06:45:35
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6804|Kyiv, Ukraine

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

So you think she will be the next VINCE FOSTER ?

This adminitration hasn't had cabinit members show up DEAD in City parks.

Democrats need to put forth some real substance soon. People wont fall for this nonsense for much longer.
Which people are those?  This particular people is enjoying the hell out of the slow roasting this administration is getting, and I'm not seeing here what isn't "substantive".  What's coming out is that basically most high-ranking officials in our government have been placed with only their religious/political viewpoint as a qualifier.  You even have IT professionals being denied jobs for their stance on abortion.  This chick Monica is just one example, given one of the highest attorney appointments in the country with a grand total of 3 trials to her name (one of them concluded).

But really, why the anger?  These moments are 6 years in the making...don't you want to know something that resembles the truth?
2007-04-07 08:43:32
comet241
Member
+164|7195|Normal, IL

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

So you think she will be the next VINCE FOSTER ?

This adminitration hasn't had cabinit members show up DEAD in City parks.

Democrats need to put forth some real substance soon. People wont fall for this nonsense for much longer.
Which people are those?  This particular people is enjoying the hell out of the slow roasting this administration is getting, and I'm not seeing here what isn't "substantive".  What's coming out is that basically most high-ranking officials in our government have been placed with only their religious/political viewpoint as a qualifier.  You even have IT professionals being denied jobs for their stance on abortion.  This chick Monica is just one example, given one of the highest attorney appointments in the country with a grand total of 3 trials to her name (one of them concluded).

But really, why the anger?  These moments are 6 years in the making...don't you want to know something that resembles the truth?
spoken like a true bush hater. I'll bet you wish you could have been here to help vote him out? Wait, he got re elected! That must mean that the majority of people here wanted him a second time around!!!

i would like to see the link to whatever you have about IT people being denied jobs because of their stance on abortion, though.

Oh, and +1 for the comment on nobody has shown up dead in a city park with this administration. we'll see plenty more of that if hillary gets in (im not worried about that one, though)
2007-04-07 08:52:07
theelviscerator
Member
+19|6719
Much ado about nothing.

Those attornies can be fired at anytime, for any or NO reason.
2007-04-07 09:18:15
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6959|Global Command

topal63 wrote:

ATG wrote:

This best covers it:


http://images.google.com/images?q=clown … amp;tab=wi
Hmm... so now you're ATG: Tragic poet of the Apocolypse... I kinda like that, for an odd reason, as a statement/concept - it makes me feel sort of warm and fuzzy on the inside.

It's spelled: Apocalypse... and originally in Greek (as it is a word of Greek origin) meant: to unveil -  or in a sense to peel back and uncover the meaning behind the surface of things/reality (REVELATION BABY!). The book of Revelation (Apocalypse) is metaphor & imagery: of turmoil and suffering in the world that is ever present (from generation to generation), and yet in this world where suffering and death will touch everyone, there is God (alpha and omega), God has the first word - and the final say. Suffering and death always was, is, and shall be, and in the midst of that - there is God (alpha and omega) - it is oddly a message of hope through faith (not a literal thing). Apocalypse is every day ... and for eternity!
Damn it.


I used the same spelling as the movie. apocolypse now.
2007-04-07 09:36:20
topal63
. . .
+533|7149

ATG wrote:

topal63 wrote:

ATG wrote:

This best covers it:


http://images.google.com/images?q=clown … amp;tab=wi
Hmm... so now you're ATG: Tragic poet of the Apocolypse... I kinda like that, for an odd reason, as a statement/concept - it makes me feel sort of warm and fuzzy on the inside.

It's spelled: Apocalypse... and originally in Greek (as it is a word of Greek origin) meant: to unveil -  or in a sense to peel back and uncover the meaning behind the surface of things/reality (REVELATION BABY!). The book of Revelation (Apocalypse) is metaphor & imagery: of turmoil and suffering in the world that is ever present (from generation to generation), and yet in this world where suffering and death will touch everyone, there is God (alpha and omega), God has the first word - and the final say. Suffering and death always was, is, and shall be, and in the midst of that - there is God (alpha and omega) - it is oddly a message of hope through faith (not a literal thing). Apocalypse is every day ... and for eternity!
Damn it.


I used the same spelling as the movie. apocolypse now.
... it is "Apocalypse Now" and how so very true "it is always NOW!"

Shit, I just found a transcript (of it) on the web:
http://corky.net/scripts/apocalypseNow.html
"Saigon... shit; I'm still only in Saigon... Every time I think I'm gonna wake up back in the jungle. When I was home after my first tour, it was worse. I'd wake up and there'd be nothing. I hardly said a word to my wife, until I said "yes" to a divorce. When I was here, I wanted to be there; when I was there, all I could think of was getting back into the jungle. I'm here a week now... waiting for a mission... every minute I stay in this room, I get weaker, and every minute Charlie squats in the bush, he gets stronger. Each time I look around, the walls move in a little tighter."

This one is good also:
"How many people had I already killed? There was those six that I know about for sure. Close enough to blow their last breath in my  face. But this time it was an American and an officer. That wasn't supposed to make any difference to me, but it did. Shit...charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500. I took the mission. What the hell else was I  gonna do? But I didn't know what I'd do when I found him."

And of course there is the classic! Kilgore!
"You smell that? Do you smell that? Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm  in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't  find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smells like - victory."

Last edited by topal63 (2007-04-07 10:05:44)

2007-04-08 01:18:00
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6804|Kyiv, Ukraine

comet241 wrote:

spoken like a true bush hater. I'll bet you wish you could have been here to help vote him out? Wait, he got re elected! That must mean that the majority of people here wanted him a second time around!!!

i would like to see the link to whatever you have about IT people being denied jobs because of their stance on abortion, though.

Oh, and +1 for the comment on nobody has shown up dead in a city park with this administration. we'll see plenty more of that if hillary gets in (im not worried about that one, though)
First, I don't hate Bush in the least, I think he's the head of the most incompetent and corrupt administration ever to grace the Whitehouse and I can list my reasons for believing this, but hate is a pretty strong word.  As far as voting him out...lets see...his mandate in 2004 gave him a carefully calculated 51% of the popular vote, and if you go back to 2000 it drops to 48% (less than Gore).  Fast-forward to modern times, 2006 elections, you're looking at the Pubes getting a general 30% or less approval rating on any given day, with a Congressional mandate reflecting this.  Near as I can figure, that means the Democrats in Congress are running on a 70% popular mandate at the moment to do what they're doing.  Only on Fox News polls is the president still in charge by popular mandate, everyone else wants him in an orange jumpsuit.  It just takes some investigation to make sure the WHOLE picture is brought up and the Senate judiciary committee is plodding along at a slow and steady pace.  The fear factor has worn off, so if the neo-cons want their popular mandate back, they need to cause another 9/11.

51%, for all you math wizzes, means he was on shaky ground to start...that's one point away from being "unpopular".  Some "centrism" would do him some good, but since when was intelligence his big virtue?

Both articles written on nepotism trumping competence in Bushland, just to get this out of the way.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 93_pf.html
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/2/121745/4467
2007-04-08 01:30:00
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6835|North Carolina
What is it with Monicas and federal scandals?  Is that name preordained for sensationalism?
2007-04-08 06:14:56
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6817

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

The fear factor has worn off, so if the neo-cons want their popular mandate back, they need to cause another 9/11.
I took you seriously until there, now I just laugh at you.
2007-04-08 07:48:48
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6785

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

So you think she will be the next VINCE FOSTER ?

This adminitration hasn't had cabinit members show up DEAD in City parks.

Democrats need to put forth some real substance soon. People wont fall for this nonsense for much longer.
But really, why the anger? .
Where did you read anger ?
don't you want to know something that resembles the truth?
I wanted to know what was in the Documents Sandy Berger Smuggled out of the White House hidden in his pants, I want to know who killed Kennedy,  allways want to see justice served.

But this is a non issue, total hype, no crime commmitted, soap opera event. Like Scooter Libby or the Assualt Rifle Ban.
2007-04-08 11:20:10
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6835|North Carolina
Berger is definitely an overlooked criminal by much of the press.  I wish we knew more about what exactly he did, but we'll probably never know now....
2007-04-08 11:32:23
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6785

Turquoise wrote:

Berger is definitely an overlooked criminal by much of the press.  I wish we knew more about what exactly he did, but we'll probably never know now....
dosn't seem to upset them too much does it ?
2007-04-08 11:59:19
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6835|North Carolina

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Berger is definitely an overlooked criminal by much of the press.  I wish we knew more about what exactly he did, but we'll probably never know now....
dosn't seem to upset them too much does it ?
I'll put it this way...  I don't believe the media is "liberal."  Some media outlets are liberal, while others are conservative.

For the most part, I think the media is sensational.  I think the reason why Berger doesn't get much attention is because he's old news.  They don't care about the actions of a previous administration, they want to exploit whoever is currently in power because it's more juicy of a topic.

Now, if this Berger story had appeared right after 9/11, then it would be all over the news.
2007-04-08 12:09:33
Hunter/Jumper
Member
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Turquoise wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Berger is definitely an overlooked criminal by much of the press.  I wish we knew more about what exactly he did, but we'll probably never know now....
dosn't seem to upset them too much does it ?
I'll put it this way...  I don't believe the media is "liberal."
sigh..
Some media outlets are liberal, while others are conservative.
only Fox is conservative, and less so than most are left leaning.
For the most part, I think the media is sensational.  I think the reason why Berger doesn't get much attention is because he's old news.  They don't care about the actions of a previous administration, they want to exploit whoever is currently in power because it's more juicy of a topic.

Now, if this Berger story had appeared right after 9/11, then it would be all over the news.
the point is " it never made the news " even when it was current, it was dismissed as ( and I quote a Democratic spokesman ) " seems like it was just sloppy paper work "
2007-04-08 12:41:27
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6835|North Carolina

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:


dosn't seem to upset them too much does it ?
I'll put it this way...  I don't believe the media is "liberal."
sigh..
Some media outlets are liberal, while others are conservative.
only Fox is conservative, and less so than most are left leaning.
For the most part, I think the media is sensational.  I think the reason why Berger doesn't get much attention is because he's old news.  They don't care about the actions of a previous administration, they want to exploit whoever is currently in power because it's more juicy of a topic.

Now, if this Berger story had appeared right after 9/11, then it would be all over the news.
the point is " it never made the news " even when it was current, it was dismissed as ( and I quote a Democratic spokesman ) " seems like it was just sloppy paper work "
Here's something I don't get about conservatives.  You hear Hillary Clinton state that the Monica Lewinsky scandal is the result of a vast right wing conspiracy, and you recognize the remark as bullshit.  Yet, you still buy into an equally bullshit notion that the media overall is a liberal institution.

It's not that simple.  Seriously, I almost wish it was, because then you could just dismiss everything you hear on the media.  Instead, this media is liberal notion is used to get conservatives to do exactly that, in order for them to strangle themselves further with dogma.

Again, the media is a business.  They cover things to sell ads.  They only halfway inform you, while mostly focusing on what catches your attention.  It's not a coherent institution-wide political agenda.  Only certain outlets are clearly following a party: NY Times, Fox News, etc.
2007-04-08 12:47:34
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6921|Menlo Park, CA

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

So you think she will be the next VINCE FOSTER ?

This adminitration hasn't had cabinit members show up DEAD in City parks.

Democrats need to put forth some real substance soon. People wont fall for this nonsense for much longer.
Real substance soon eh?. . . . what exactly do you think those mindless, defeatist, bunch of scum sucking democrat politicians shall propose?

They have had a LONG TIME to propose a lot of things. . . .but they have primarily chosen to undermine our troops more than try to fix any issues pertaining to the government of the United States!

I sure wonder what Nancy Pelosi plans on proposing in the next few weeks. . . .what a fucking idiot asshole she is!!!

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-04-08 12:48:44)

2007-04-08 16:06:00
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6785

Turquoise wrote:

Here's something I don't get about conservatives.  You hear Hillary Clinton state that the Monica Lewinsky scandal is the result of a vast right wing conspiracy, and you recognize the remark as bullshit.  Yet, you still buy into an equally bullshit notion that the media overall is a liberal institution.

It's not that simple.  Seriously, I almost wish it was, because then you could just dismiss everything you hear on the media.  Instead, this media is liberal notion is used to get conservatives to do exactly that, in order for them to strangle themselves further with dogma.

Again, the media is a business.  They cover things to sell ads.  They only halfway inform you, while mostly focusing on what catches your attention.  It's not a coherent institution-wide political agenda.  Only certain outlets are clearly following a party: NY Times, Fox News, etc.
last time I checked a wasn't strangled, When I say media I meant TV and cable News. Sorry. You can find papers and periodicals that swing either way.
their have  been polls up the wazoo on this all with predictable results. The resurgence of AM Radio is a direct result of The conservative having no mainstream voice. I could give you thousands of examples as could any semi conscience American with a steady pulse. Say what you will. Libs think its fair and Cons think it isn't. That speaks volumes.
2007-04-08 20:14:36
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6835|North Carolina

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Here's something I don't get about conservatives.  You hear Hillary Clinton state that the Monica Lewinsky scandal is the result of a vast right wing conspiracy, and you recognize the remark as bullshit.  Yet, you still buy into an equally bullshit notion that the media overall is a liberal institution.

It's not that simple.  Seriously, I almost wish it was, because then you could just dismiss everything you hear on the media.  Instead, this media is liberal notion is used to get conservatives to do exactly that, in order for them to strangle themselves further with dogma.

Again, the media is a business.  They cover things to sell ads.  They only halfway inform you, while mostly focusing on what catches your attention.  It's not a coherent institution-wide political agenda.  Only certain outlets are clearly following a party: NY Times, Fox News, etc.
last time I checked a wasn't strangled, When I say media I meant TV and cable News. Sorry. You can find papers and periodicals that swing either way.
their have  been polls up the wazoo on this all with predictable results. The resurgence of AM Radio is a direct result of The conservative having no mainstream voice. I could give you thousands of examples as could any semi conscience American with a steady pulse. Say what you will. Libs think its fair and Cons think it isn't. That speaks volumes.
Of course it speaks volumes -- it implies that there is a victim mentality among many conservatives just like it exists among liberals.

Get over this media is liberal bullshit, and you'll have a much clearer view of reality.  By the way, if you think American media is liberal, then you'd be amazed at how "liberal" Canadian and British media can be.

Maybe you should consider the possibility that you're just very conservative, so expecting the mainstream media to pander to your views is unrealistic.
2007-04-09 13:46:46
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6785

Turquoise wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Here's something I don't get about conservatives.  You hear Hillary Clinton state that the Monica Lewinsky scandal is the result of a vast right wing conspiracy, and you recognize the remark as bullshit.  Yet, you still buy into an equally bullshit notion that the media overall is a liberal institution.

It's not that simple.  Seriously, I almost wish it was, because then you could just dismiss everything you hear on the media.  Instead, this media is liberal notion is used to get conservatives to do exactly that, in order for them to strangle themselves further with dogma.

Again, the media is a business.  They cover things to sell ads.  They only halfway inform you, while mostly focusing on what catches your attention.  It's not a coherent institution-wide political agenda.  Only certain outlets are clearly following a party: NY Times, Fox News, etc.
last time I checked a wasn't strangled, When I say media I meant TV and cable News. Sorry. You can find papers and periodicals that swing either way.
their have  been polls up the wazoo on this all with predictable results. The resurgence of AM Radio is a direct result of The conservative having no mainstream voice. I could give you thousands of examples as could any semi conscience American with a steady pulse. Say what you will. Libs think its fair and Cons think it isn't. That speaks volumes.
Of course it speaks volumes -- it implies that there is a victim mentality among many conservatives just like it exists among liberals.

Get over this media is liberal bullshit, and you'll have a much clearer view of reality.  By the way, if you think American media is liberal, then you'd be amazed at how "liberal" Canadian and British media can be.

Maybe you should consider the possibility that you're just very conservative, so expecting the mainstream media to pander to your views is unrealistic.
Conservatives don't want people to pander ( your word ) to them, maybe I should spend a week listing examples.. Or just tart to seperate threads
( list your examples of Leftwing media bias )
( list your examples of Rightwing media bias )

hope you have you boots on ! More than likly they will be pulled unless you are also going to deny that this forum is mainly leftist with the exception of about five of us.
2007-04-09 20:21:03
comet241
Member
+164|7195|Normal, IL

Commie Killer wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

The fear factor has worn off, so if the neo-cons want their popular mandate back, they need to cause another 9/11.
I took you seriously until there, now I just laugh at you.
2007-04-09 20:22:26
Jet Blast
Banned
+15|6664

comet241 wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

The fear factor has worn off, so if the neo-cons want their popular mandate back, they need to cause another 9/11.
I took you seriously until there, now I just laugh at you.
2007-04-10 00:52:10
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6804|Kyiv, Ukraine

comet241 wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

The fear factor has worn off, so if the neo-cons want their popular mandate back, they need to cause another 9/11.
I took you seriously until there, now I'm just in awe of your greatness.
No, no applause necessary...

 

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