there is a crazy pink migit invisible elephant in the corner of my room i beleive in it and it is my god, so you should beleive in it too coz that would be the logical thing to do...
Qft I seen it also. He is the real god believe in him or go to hell.weasel_thingo wrote:
there is a crazy pink migit invisible elephant in the corner of my room i beleive in it and it is my god, so you should beleive in it too coz that would be the logical thing to do...
lol ok np
What i was thinking! lolThomasMorgan wrote:
Pascal's Wager.
LOL. That's like saying soldiers don't necessarily believe in killing the enemy. The number is infinitesmally small.Bubbalo wrote:
Atheists don't necessarily believe there is no afterlife.righthandfork wrote:
Please take this question seriously, it is not meant to be mocking, but do atheists buy life insurance? The reason I ask is because if there is no afterlife then you can’t feel guilty for not providing for your family. Or I guess my real question is why would it be important for organic matter in a coffin to be remembered kindly by their family?
Logic is not tangible.CameronPoe wrote:
I only deal with things that are tangible. There's your logic for you. Next.
Hmm i'de love to argue about your insufferable beliefs.righthandfork wrote:
Hi I am new to the forum, but from what I gather many of you have strong views on religion. I believe in God because it is the only logical thing to do. This is why…
Take this simple statement:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
1. It is impossible to prove this statement true.
2. It is impossible to prove this statement false.
3. This statement has to be either true or false.
Since a person can choose to believe or not to believe, and since this statement has to be either true or false, there are only four possible outcomes:
1. A person believes, the statement is true, and he attains eternal life.
2. A person believes, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
3. A person does not believe, the statement is true, and he is damned to hell.
4. A person does not believe, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
If a person cannot prove this statement false, and he is logical, then he will choose to believe because that is his only chance for a favorable outcome.
So deductive logic tells us that atheists are illogical unless they can prove that the statement above is false.
Now obviously there are other religions out there that promise eternal life and it would be just as logical to believe in them, because as long as there is a chance of a positive outcome, the choice would be considered logical. It seems the most logical choice would be to believe in as many religions as possible, so I guess I’ll have to concede that I’m not the most logical. But my only point is that choosing to believe in something that can only lead to negative outcomes is illogical:)
My good sir, i, believe in science. I believe in man, i believe in intellegence and always growing and learning.
What i do not believe in is a totaly unsupported theory made by highly uncreditable people thousands of years ago telling about a magical being whom just 'appeared' one day and created the universe, which is SO HUGELY vast, and containing 100 billion million stars, and only creating 1 planet with life. I do not believe that there is a heaven or a hell, it would be nice, but no.
What i believe happened was a man or group of men started writting a story, they wanted to explain how the earth came to be, they wanted to impress the rest of the world kinda like a scientist with a new invention. They started lieing about this book telling people it came from god, and soon it spread to everyone, and it became the standard. Unfortunatly they dont know how much its altered the world as it is today.
Im comfortable enough with my beliefs (or maybe dis-beliefs) to say "Fuck god and strike me down right now, i dare you"
But he wont do that. Because he is not real.
And HONESTLY, how many times have your prayers been answered? In a real way. I have a theory, when someone prayes to god they gain hope, therefore they dont give up, therefore they answer there own prayers by fulfilling what they wanted. But heres how they get ya, listen:
God only answers prayers that are unprovable
Yes. You heard it right. You can pray to god to cure your headache, and then your headache goes away and you thank god for it.
But, you can also spend all your life praying to god for a Corvette, but you'll never see a corvette appear out of mid-air.
Oh and ANOTHER THING, the religious have this INCREDIBLY stupid and childish way of denouncing any fact that may go against what they believe, they say "Its a test of faith"
FFS!!! Grow up. You've locked yourself in box. Unopenable by any facts or logic. And now we are back to logic. Which you have none of.
Thank you very much this has been a Dezerteagal5 post.
15 more years! 15 more years!
No. Badly thought out atheism is illogical. I find the lack of a god to be perfectly logical.
You encounter a problem when the premise of most theism is strictly about belief, not about betting on the outcomes that a god exists, thus blocking the usage of your logic. So by your logic theism is also illogical.
No, because killing the enemy is a core part of a soldier's job.CameronPoe wrote:
LOL. That's like saying soldiers don't necessarily believe in killing the enemy. The number is infinitesmally small.Bubbalo wrote:
Atheists don't necessarily believe there is no afterlife.righthandfork wrote:
Please take this question seriously, it is not meant to be mocking, but do atheists buy life insurance? The reason I ask is because if there is no afterlife then you can’t feel guilty for not providing for your family. Or I guess my real question is why would it be important for organic matter in a coffin to be remembered kindly by their family?
Atheists don't believe in a god, that doesn't mean they don't believe in spirits/other planes of existence.
religion was invented to exploit people's ignorance.
Common sense > religion.righthandfork wrote:
Take this simple statement:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
1. It is impossible to prove this statement true.
2. It is impossible to prove this statement false.
3. This statement has to be either true or false.
Since a person can choose to believe or not to believe, and since this statement has to be either true or false, there are only four possible outcomes:
1. A person believes, the statement is true, and he attains eternal life.
2. A person believes, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
3. A person does not believe, the statement is true, and he is damned to hell.
4. A person does not believe, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
If a person cannot prove this statement false, and he is logical, then he will choose to believe because that is his only chance for a favorable outcome.
Religion is just the opiate of the masses, fairy tales used to explain natural phenomena to cavemen, passed down through tradition and ignorance. If you have to use word games to try to convince people you MAY exist, it seems like you have a pretty weak argument.
How about this one:
God is love
Love is blind
Stevie Wonder is god...
Maybe there was a guy named Jesus, from Nazareth, but there is no God, it makes no sense. Why do you think its silly that Native Americans or Greeks had multiple gods, but JC is cool, he makes sense, he is the REAL god, but if you were on a forum local to the Middle East, we may be having this debate but instead, Allah v. Atheism.
You say the words 'god' and 'soul' and it seems a little spooky, deep, but shake off your ignorant shell, the superstitions of your ancestors have long been proven false.
Richard Dawkin's: The Root of All Evil, The God Delusion, The Virus of Faith.
'I think the idea of a divine creator, belittles the elegant reality of the universe.'
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=739104736941335888[/google]
Atheist Debate. March, 2007:
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828694369498250605[/google]
Who fucking cares if someguy named JC died on a cross for 'all our sins', thousands of our brothers are dying for Bush and his cronies every day, and they wont get all these bullshit superstitious followers from their sacrifices.
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omg the first 2:44 of that richard dawking video sums up my explaination of religion better then i could've in a 100 posts. im gunna watch the rest now, sounds awesomeLawJik wrote:
Common sense > religion.righthandfork wrote:
Take this simple statement:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
1. It is impossible to prove this statement true.
2. It is impossible to prove this statement false.
3. This statement has to be either true or false.
Since a person can choose to believe or not to believe, and since this statement has to be either true or false, there are only four possible outcomes:
1. A person believes, the statement is true, and he attains eternal life.
2. A person believes, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
3. A person does not believe, the statement is true, and he is damned to hell.
4. A person does not believe, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
If a person cannot prove this statement false, and he is logical, then he will choose to believe because that is his only chance for a favorable outcome.
Religion is just the opiate of the masses, fairy tales used to explain natural phenomena to cavemen, passed down through tradition and ignorance. If you have to use word games to try to convince people you MAY exist, it seems like you have a pretty weak argument.
How about this one:
God is love
Love is blind
Stevie Wonder is god...
Maybe there was a guy named Jesus, from Nazareth, but there is no God, it makes no sense. Why do you think its silly that Native Americans or Greeks had multiple gods, but JC is cool, he makes sense, he is the REAL god, but if you were on a forum local to the Middle East, we may be having this debate but instead, Allah v. Atheism.
You say the words 'god' and 'soul' and it seems a little spooky, deep, but shake off your ignorant shell, the superstitions of your ancestors have long been proven false.
Richard Dawkin's: The Root of All Evil, The God Delusion, The Virus of Faith.
'I think the idea of a divine creator, belittles the elegant reality. of the universe.'
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=739104736941335888[/google]
Atheist Debate. March, 2007:
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828694369498250605[/google]
Who fucking cares if someguy named JC died on a cross for 'all our sins', thousands of our brothers are dying for Bush and his cronies every day, and they wont get all these bullshit superstitious followers from their sacrifices.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Questions:righthandfork wrote:
Hi I am new to the forum, but from what I gather many of you have strong views on religion. I believe in God because it is the only logical thing to do. This is why…
Take this simple statement:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
1. It is impossible to prove this statement true.
2. It is impossible to prove this statement false.
3. This statement has to be either true or false.
Since a person can choose to believe or not to believe, and since this statement has to be either true or false, there are only four possible outcomes:
1. A person believes, the statement is true, and he attains eternal life.
2. A person believes, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
3. A person does not believe, the statement is true, and he is damned to hell.
4. A person does not believe, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
If a person cannot prove this statement false, and he is logical, then he will choose to believe because that is his only chance for a favorable outcome.
So deductive logic tells us that atheists are illogical unless they can prove that the statement above is false.
Now obviously there are other religions out there that promise eternal life and it would be just as logical to believe in them, because as long as there is a chance of a positive outcome, the choice would be considered logical. It seems the most logical choice would be to believe in as many religions as possible, so I guess I’ll have to concede that I’m not the most logical. But my only point is that choosing to believe in something that can only lead to negative outcomes is illogical:)
1-Where did you get that choosing not to believe leads to negative outcomes? Post source or explain pls.
2-Where did you get these 4 possible outcomes? Post source or explain pls.
3-How in hell the most logical choice is to believe in as many religions as possible? It doesn't make sense at all, hence it is not logical. Let's see I'll convert to Islam, Christianism, Judaism (they are basicaly the same with different interpretations) and Buddhism and Hinduism. So, I will believe at the same time that Jesus is the son of God, a prophet like Muhammad, another guy or nobody. At the same time I will have to read the Bible, The Torah, The Qur'an, The Vedas and whatever Buddhists read or study (that's a lot of boring reading). At the same time I will believe in Salvation, Fate, Karma, Nirvana and Pearl Jam (a lot of grunge).
4-Who are you? I mean you aren't a noob, you are a regular like weamo8 starting another trolling thread. Or are you a noob?
5-Finally, and not less important, I ask you to write an essay of 100 words explaining why it's illogical to be an atheist, but using different arguments than the ones that fail here.
"Simple statement"??? Are you joking? "There are four lights" is a simple statement. A fundamental problem with mixing religion and logic in this way is that the meaning of statements like that one is never clear.righthandfork wrote:
Take this simple statement:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
I believe that i am the center of the universe, i believe that i am Jesus christ, i believe that i am the rightful leader of the universe.
try to disprove it
try to disprove it
You're not the center of the universe.herrr_smity wrote:
I believe that i am the center of the universe, i believe that i am Jesus christ, i believe that i am the rightful leader of the universe.
try to disprove it
There, that's disproved with the same logic you used. If you want me to do it scientifically, I can drop things next to you and prove that the earth emits far more force than you do.
but i have written it on the Internets therefore it must be trueSkorpy-chan wrote:
You're not the center of the universe.herrr_smity wrote:
I believe that i am the center of the universe, i believe that i am Jesus christ, i believe that i am the rightful leader of the universe.
try to disprove it
There, that's disproved with the same logic you used. If you want me to do it scientifically, I can drop things next to you and prove that the earth emits far more force than you do.
How does beleiveing in God limit the fullness of my life. By not allowing me to kill, steal, cheat on my wife, fuck my brothers wife, etc. etc. If you need those things to live a "full" life then you are a sick fuck.Ty wrote:
EEEH WRONG!
The person either believes in the statement and uses his life forever following the teachings of the Bible and having very limited enjoyment of life in order to get a posible shot as a sweet as afterlife.
OR
The person does not belive in this tripe and decides to live their life to the fullest realising that it's the only one they're gonna get.
Now God is meant to be omnipotent and cool right with power of forgiveness yadda yadda right?
Now if this second person was to be wrong wouldn't a cool forgiving God give him a sweet as afterlife anyway? I mean, what kind of super-good God would let people writhe in agony for eternity when they had the omnipotent power to save them right? If he did just sit by and do nothing, (remembering always "evil prospers when good people do nothing",) then he's a fucking hypocrite, and no-one likes a hypocritical God.
I could formulate a more soliud argument but i'm fucking drunk right now.
What has that gotta do with being Christian... You do know the bible is ok with incest right? Ala Abraham and Sarah...rawls2 wrote:
How does beleiveing in God limit the fullness of my life. By not allowing me to kill, steal, cheat on my wife, fuck my brothers wife, etc. etc. If you need those things to live a "full" life then you are a sick fuck.Ty wrote:
EEEH WRONG!
The person either believes in the statement and uses his life forever following the teachings of the Bible and having very limited enjoyment of life in order to get a posible shot as a sweet as afterlife.
OR
The person does not belive in this tripe and decides to live their life to the fullest realising that it's the only one they're gonna get.
Now God is meant to be omnipotent and cool right with power of forgiveness yadda yadda right?
Now if this second person was to be wrong wouldn't a cool forgiving God give him a sweet as afterlife anyway? I mean, what kind of super-good God would let people writhe in agony for eternity when they had the omnipotent power to save them right? If he did just sit by and do nothing, (remembering always "evil prospers when good people do nothing",) then he's a fucking hypocrite, and no-one likes a hypocritical God.
I could formulate a more soliud argument but i'm fucking drunk right now.
By living his life to full he means he has not to worry about wasting 4 hours of his life every week to hear some preaching at church. Bible is all marketing now, that's why it's the worlds best selling book.
Star Trek has an explanation for everything...righthandfork wrote:
Hi I am new to the forum, but from what I gather many of you have strong views on religion. I believe in God because it is the only logical thing to do. This is why…
Q: What is Kiri-Kin-tha’s First Law of Metaphysics?
A: Nothing unreal exists.
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most people don't do that regardless of religion or ethnic heritagerawls2 wrote:
How does beleiveing in God limit the fullness of my life. By not allowing me to kill, steal, cheat on my wife, fuck my brothers wife, etc. etc. If you need those things to live a "full" life then you are a sick fuck.Ty wrote:
EEEH WRONG!
The person either believes in the statement and uses his life forever following the teachings of the Bible and having very limited enjoyment of life in order to get a posible shot as a sweet as afterlife.
OR
The person does not belive in this tripe and decides to live their life to the fullest realising that it's the only one they're gonna get.
Now God is meant to be omnipotent and cool right with power of forgiveness yadda yadda right?
Now if this second person was to be wrong wouldn't a cool forgiving God give him a sweet as afterlife anyway? I mean, what kind of super-good God would let people writhe in agony for eternity when they had the omnipotent power to save them right? If he did just sit by and do nothing, (remembering always "evil prospers when good people do nothing",) then he's a fucking hypocrite, and no-one likes a hypocritical God.
I could formulate a more soliud argument but i'm fucking drunk right now.
I have one thing to say. If there is a god, all religious people who think just because others dont believe they will automatically go to hell would infact most likely go to hell themselves. No religion is right. They are mans guess at what god wants, there have never been any prophets or messengers from god.righthandfork wrote:
Hi I am new to the forum, but from what I gather many of you have strong views on religion. I believe in God because it is the only logical thing to do. This is why…
Take this simple statement:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
1. It is impossible to prove this statement true.
2. It is impossible to prove this statement false.
3. This statement has to be either true or false.
Since a person can choose to believe or not to believe, and since this statement has to be either true or false, there are only four possible outcomes:
1. A person believes, the statement is true, and he attains eternal life.
2. A person believes, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
3. A person does not believe, the statement is true, and he is damned to hell.
4. A person does not believe, the statement is false, and he ceases to exist.
If a person cannot prove this statement false, and he is logical, then he will choose to believe because that is his only chance for a favorable outcome.
So deductive logic tells us that atheists are illogical unless they can prove that the statement above is false.
Now obviously there are other religions out there that promise eternal life and it would be just as logical to believe in them, because as long as there is a chance of a positive outcome, the choice would be considered logical. It seems the most logical choice would be to believe in as many religions as possible, so I guess I’ll have to concede that I’m not the most logical. But my only point is that choosing to believe in something that can only lead to negative outcomes is illogical:)
Most likely we are just gods experiment, he would not give a flying fuck about something that last NO time, seeing as he is infinite and if he does he will let in anyone who leads a good life not just those that believe.
Or do you realy think that the most powerful thing ever would be so petty, he doesnt need people to believe in him, hes fucking god! He can do anything and everything. Seriously anyone that believes in any kind of religion is off their face, it makes no sense.
Oh do they? Find the statistics for infedelity, divorce, murder, etc. Compare that with the stats from 60 years ago and see what you get. I say 60 because thats when religion was a good thing, in America anyways, not the horrible opium of the masses as you guys like to call it.herrr_smity wrote:
most people don't do that regardless of religion or ethnic heritagerawls2 wrote:
How does beleiveing in God limit the fullness of my life. By not allowing me to kill, steal, cheat on my wife, fuck my brothers wife, etc. etc. If you need those things to live a "full" life then you are a sick fuck.Ty wrote:
EEEH WRONG!
The person either believes in the statement and uses his life forever following the teachings of the Bible and having very limited enjoyment of life in order to get a posible shot as a sweet as afterlife.
OR
The person does not belive in this tripe and decides to live their life to the fullest realising that it's the only one they're gonna get.
Now God is meant to be omnipotent and cool right with power of forgiveness yadda yadda right?
Now if this second person was to be wrong wouldn't a cool forgiving God give him a sweet as afterlife anyway? I mean, what kind of super-good God would let people writhe in agony for eternity when they had the omnipotent power to save them right? If he did just sit by and do nothing, (remembering always "evil prospers when good people do nothing",) then he's a fucking hypocrite, and no-one likes a hypocritical God.
I could formulate a more soliud argument but i'm fucking drunk right now.
most people still don't do that 60 years or notrawls2 wrote:
Oh do they? Find the statistics for infedelity, divorce, murder, etc. Compare that with the stats from 60 years ago and see what you get. I say 60 because thats when religion was a good thing, in America anyways, not the horrible opium of the masses as you guys like to call it.herrr_smity wrote:
most people don't do that regardless of religion or ethnic heritagerawls2 wrote:
How does beleiveing in God limit the fullness of my life. By not allowing me to kill, steal, cheat on my wife, fuck my brothers wife, etc. etc. If you need those things to live a "full" life then you are a sick fuck.