superfly_cox
soup fly mod
+717|7210

if it were up to me john mccain would be prez...that guy is one serious bad ass motherfucker.  dude's not afraid to stand up for what he believes and he'll kick republican and democratic ass if given the change.  he's learned to play nice (with the republicans) in recent years but deep down inside is the same badass who spent five and a half years as a vietnam POW.:

wiki wrote:

On October 26, 1967, McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile, landing in Truc Bach Lake. He broke both arms and a leg after ejecting from his plane. After he regained consciousness, a mob gathered around him, spat on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was then tortured by Vietnamese soldiers, who bayonetted him in his left foot and groin. His shoulder was crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

Once McCain arrived at the Hanoi Hilton, he was placed in a cell and interrogated daily. When McCain refused to provide any information to his captors, he was beaten until he lost consciousness.

When the North Vietnamese discovered his father was the Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command, (CINCPAC), commander of all U.S. forces in Vietnam, he was offered a chance to return home. McCain turned down the offer of repatriation.

McCain signed an anti-American propaganda message which was written in Vietnamese, but only as a result of rigorous and brutal torture methods, which to this day have left him incapable of raising his arms above his head. According to McCain, signing the propaganda message is something he most regrets during his time as a POW. After McCain signed the statement, the Vietnamese decided they could not use it. They tried to force him to sign a second statement, and this time he refused. He received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal.

McCain was held as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five-and-a-half years, mostly in the infamous Hanoi Hilton, and was finally released from captivity in 1973, having been a POW for almost an extra five years due to his earlier refusal to accept an out of turn repatriation offer. McCain was reinstated to flight status and became Commanding Officer of the VA-174 Hellrazors, the East Coast A-7 Corsair II Navy training squadron.

In 1976 he became the Navy's liaison to the Senate. He retired from the Navy in 1981 as a captain. During his military career, he received a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, the Legion of Merit, the Purple Heart, and a Distinguished Flying Cross.
THANK YOU MAAM CAN I HAVE ANOTHER!!!

like him or not, any guy who passed up a chance to be freed as a POW has integrity and a serious set of balls
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio
But he wants to stay in Iraq?????
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7078

He may have a great past, but that doesn't mean he'd be a great president. There's hundreds of Nam vets that have gone through similar or worse; without having decent policies he won't be a good president. I'm saying this because I know very little about him, not because I think he has crap policies.
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7193
More then likely i will support McCain in the upcoming elections, I supported him in 2000 and actually met and shook his hand.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7057|IRELAND

My hat goes of to the guy, he has balls and conviction and they are presidential credentials, no mistake. Although I think the world is at a point, were bureaucracy has taken over and someone like him is best in over all control of the military, yes as commander in cheif but not as cheif negotiator. On today's world stage with all the rhetoric and posturing flying about, the US and the world needs a diplomat, a pussy if you like, doing the talking for the US, if the US wants to continue its role as the world police man and hyper-power.

The US cannot simply do as it likes with a strong military leader at its helm anymore, Bush proved that, though he did dodge Nam and this guy seams like the total opposite, he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth?
Future wars are always going to be about resources and power, not tyranny and righteousness.
Like Iraqi, future wars will be played out live on TV and the Internet ,which means the US needs more of a diplomat if she wants to continue with her global aspirations.

You need a Democrat (Hillery) as a figure head of state and a republican like McCain as prime minister.
VIVA República!!!!!

Last edited by JahManRed (2007-04-03 15:31:48)

ATG
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+5,233|6958|Global Command

JahManRed wrote:

My hat goes of to the guy, he has balls and conviction and they are presidential credentials, no mistake. Although I think the world is at a point, were bureaucracy has taken over and someone like him is best in over all control of the military, yes as commander in cheif but not as cheif negotiator. On today's world stage with all the rhetoric and posturing flying about, the US and the world needs a diplomat, a pussy if you like, doing the talking for the US, if the US wants to continue its role as the world police man and hyper-power.

The US cannot simply do as it likes with a strong military leader at its helm anymore, Bush proved that, though he did dodge Nam and this guy seams like the total opposite, he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth?
Future wars are always going to be about resources and power, not tyranny and righteousness.
Like Iraqi, future wars will be played out live on TV and the Internet ,which means the US needs more of a diplomat if she wants to continue with her global aspirations.

You need a Democrat (Hillery) as a figure head of state and a republican like McCain as prime minister.
VIVA República!!!!!
Oh God, Hillary.

Well, maybe better the devil we know.

I thought I knew what I was getting when i voted twice for George Bush.


I'll think I'll vote in the national election for independant guys from here out, whatever the cost.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio
I am confused.  Some of the people here who want the US to pull out of Iraq want to vote for John.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7091|USA
McCain/Guilianni will be the ticket. Betting pool anyone?
Y0URDAD
I'ma Eat Yo Children!
+17|7074|Annapolis, MD
Besides his stance on the issues, being a graduate of the Naval Academy is reason enough to vote for him.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7057|IRELAND

Basically, without going off on the usual bush tangent, bla, bla, bla:
a. Bush is an idiot not able to run a village shop never mind a country
b. He is not making the decisions. So who is? Who's accountable?
I think this Mc Cain may have have more balls at first impressions. (Ive yet to sit down and read up on the pres candidates) and hopefully, if he gets in will tell the leaches lobbyists and guys pulling the strings to fuck off and again show some balls with his direction.
Hopefully it won't come to that and Hillery or Osama(sp) will get in.
superfly_cox
soup fly mod
+717|7210

for those of you who don't know john mccain i recommend you do some research about him.  he a moderate conservative and has had the guts to stand up to the republican party on numerous occasions.  yes he does support the iraq war but so did hillary.

check out some of his interviews if you can find them online and you'll see that he's very intelligent, articulate, speaks his mind and is not afraid of jack shit.  that's what i want in a president and i am proud to have voted for him in the 2000 republican primaries!

I have nothing against Giuliani but in my opinion McCain >> any front running democratic candidate.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio

JahManRed wrote:

Basically, without going off on the usual bush tangent, bla, bla, bla:
a. Bush is an idiot not able to run a village shop never mind a country
b. He is not making the decisions. So who is? Who's accountable?
McCain supports Bush on Iraq, meaning he does not want to PULL TROOPS out.  So if Bush is a huge idiot, what does a person who supports get called?

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2007-04-03 16:10:30)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7186|Argentina

usmarine2007 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Basically, without going off on the usual bush tangent, bla, bla, bla:
a. Bush is an idiot not able to run a village shop never mind a country
b. He is not making the decisions. So who is? Who's accountable?
McCain supports Bush on Iraq, meaning he does not want to PULL TROOPS out.  So if Bush is a huge idiot, what does a person who supports get called?
A bigger idiot?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio
I was just watching every body's anti Bill O'Rly hero Keith Oberman, simply because I enjoy his show, and he and his guest were ripping McCain on their recent visit to Baghdad.  McCain and friends visited a market, and said it was just like a market you find in Indiana.  Oh really?  Then why were you wearing kevlar, with sharpshooters on the roof, and about 100 soldiers sweeping it first? 

I don't go to too many markets in Indiana, is this what they are like?
mcgid1
Meh...
+129|7145|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX
I like the guy, the only real problem I can see with him is that he has a bit of a temper issue.
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7193

usmarine2007 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Basically, without going off on the usual bush tangent, bla, bla, bla:
a. Bush is an idiot not able to run a village shop never mind a country
b. He is not making the decisions. So who is? Who's accountable?
McCain supports Bush on Iraq, meaning he does not want to PULL TROOPS out.  So if Bush is a huge idiot, what does a person who supports get called?
A person that understand that pulling out now leads to larger and more serious problems down the road.  Not finishing the task and handing Iraq over to Iran, which is more then likely what will happen if we pull out anytime soon, will just give us a lot more problems.  If the U.S. does not create an alternative fuel source for transportation and Iran gains significant control of the Middle East then our oil supply will be severally cut and cost us more for what we get. 

Add on top the fact that we support Israel, and probably will for a long time to come, after having a fuel shortage we will need to deploy once again to the Middle East to protect our ally from the new Iran-Iraq nation state causing significant problems both across the world and domestically in fuel, political, and economic means.  The outspoken population will be against the conflict and use the new long conflict to gain control of the country and cause a large change in our diplomatic stances around the globe. 

Thats all the most likely situation from just pulling out of Iraq now.  If we actually stay and are able to put in a stable and strong government even if it is a puppet government for the U.S. will allow for a stable region for the U.S., Middle East, and Western Europe.
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7193

usmarine2007 wrote:

I was just watching every body's anti Bill O'Rly hero Keith Oberman, simply because I enjoy his show, and he and his guest were ripping McCain on their recent visit to Baghdad.  McCain and friends visited a market, and said it was just like a market you find in Indiana.  Oh really?  Then why were you wearing kevlar, with sharpshooters on the roof, and about 100 soldiers sweeping it first? 

I don't go to too many markets in Indiana, is this what they are like?
Flea markets, thats their main type of market, and if the market is in the green zone then it probably was fine.  And yes it was probably a lot like markets in America, they don't differ that much except for the way people look and talk in them.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio

Ridir wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

I was just watching every body's anti Bill O'Rly hero Keith Oberman, simply because I enjoy his show, and he and his guest were ripping McCain on their recent visit to Baghdad.  McCain and friends visited a market, and said it was just like a market you find in Indiana.  Oh really?  Then why were you wearing kevlar, with sharpshooters on the roof, and about 100 soldiers sweeping it first? 

I don't go to too many markets in Indiana, is this what they are like?
Flea markets, thats their main type of market, and if the market is in the green zone then it probably was fine.  And yes it was probably a lot like markets in America, they don't differ that much except for the way people look and talk in them.
Erm...

It had a suicide bomb 36 hours after he left.  It also had a few in February.
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7193

usmarine2007 wrote:

Ridir wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

I was just watching every body's anti Bill O'Rly hero Keith Oberman, simply because I enjoy his show, and he and his guest were ripping McCain on their recent visit to Baghdad.  McCain and friends visited a market, and said it was just like a market you find in Indiana.  Oh really?  Then why were you wearing kevlar, with sharpshooters on the roof, and about 100 soldiers sweeping it first? 

I don't go to too many markets in Indiana, is this what they are like?
Flea markets, thats their main type of market, and if the market is in the green zone then it probably was fine.  And yes it was probably a lot like markets in America, they don't differ that much except for the way people look and talk in them.
Erm...

It had a suicide bomb 36 hours after he left.  It also had a few in February.
That would be the people aspect.  The market was probably similar, the market itself.  If we leave now the militants that are doing these bombings will gain offical support from other neighboring countries that back their beliefs and topple the government.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio
What I am trying to say is, he says Baghdad is getting safer.  Now, if I said that, there would be a 5 page flame war.  But the same people who would disagree me, would also support this guy.  Very confusing.
ATG
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+5,233|6958|Global Command

usmarine2007 wrote:

What I am trying to say is, he says Baghdad is getting safer.  Now, if I said that, there would be a 5 page flame war.  But the same people who would disagree me, would also support this guy.  Very confusing.
McCain is a politician. He is playing to the war supporters and true-believers.

He needs to reassure me on illegal immigration, then I'll consider maybe someday thinking about leaning in his direction.
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7193
I haven't been over there, I don't have a SITREP to look over and I don't know whats going on right now.  There was a security crack down by our forces, the intel divisions are (supposedly) tracing the militias funding back to the governments and organizations, and the insurgents are fleeing Baghdad for other locations in Iraq.  You can see this last one but charting the attacks on a map, the Baghdad attacks have decreased but other areas are having increased violence.

I can't tell you whats right or wrong, but I can tell you that right now I would not want a left wing in charge of the military because of the global impacts in the future that could and more then likely will happen.
ATG
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Ridir wrote:

I can't tell you whats right or wrong, but I can tell you that right now I would not want a left wing in charge of the military because of the global impacts in the future that could and more then likely will happen.
Nothing will change.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=68728
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7193
Nothing will change?  I doubt that nothing will change.  The democrates have wanted to scale back the military even though our force is rather small for how many people it protects, we could cut a large portion of the military budget by giving up our technological edge.  I am getting tired and not sure where I am going with this. I'll be back later.
superfly_cox
soup fly mod
+717|7210

John McCain is Chuck Norris of politics.

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