I was less careful in my reading of "some".Kmarion wrote:
I was careful in my wording and used "some".ghettoperson wrote:
I seem to think from the other topic about this that it was about 300 (SPAAAARTA! ) Iranians that were advocating the execution of them. From a population of 68,688,433, that's 4.36810^-6% of the population. Not exactly a majority. I'm sure far more people in the US advocate nuking Iran than that.Kmarion wrote:
Do you think the US would broadcast that? Do you think Iran would be broadcasting stuff like this to the world?
US citizens were just as appalled by Abu Ghraib (Remember the court marshals?). You can see some Iranians publicly advocating the execution of the kidnapped sailors. Let's not be so naive as to ignore the difference in the situations.
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Don’t use 911 as an excuse to arrest/go to war/fight everyone. Its starting to become the US's holocaust.ATG wrote:
You guys aren't the ones who had 3000 fucking civilians slaughtered on live television.
How in the fuck could you have any clue regarding the emotions involved in that?
You don't, and with luck you never will.
You guys aren't the ones who had 300 or so hostages held by Iran for over a year.
You couldn't possibly understand.
Rather pointless to try and get you to, I suspect.
You Iran defenders need to understand something: we have 130000+ troops in Iraq. Any persons wishing to talk to Iranians should do it at a U.S. base or be preparred to be black-listed or taken out.
Talk about apples to oranges.
Any you dudes care to go assist the Iranians and Iraqis in the jihad, feel free. Many of you would be embraced.
Your an idiot if you compare smart bombs to lining up people in trenchs and shooting them seriously.BN wrote:
Don’t use 911 as an excuse to arrest/go to war/fight everyone. Its starting to become the US's holocaust.ATG wrote:
You guys aren't the ones who had 3000 fucking civilians slaughtered on live television.
How in the fuck could you have any clue regarding the emotions involved in that?
You don't, and with luck you never will.
You guys aren't the ones who had 300 or so hostages held by Iran for over a year.
You couldn't possibly understand.
Rather pointless to try and get you to, I suspect.
You Iran defenders need to understand something: we have 130000+ troops in Iraq. Any persons wishing to talk to Iranians should do it at a U.S. base or be preparred to be black-listed or taken out.
Talk about apples to oranges.
Any you dudes care to go assist the Iranians and Iraqis in the jihad, feel free. Many of you would be embraced.
It might not be his fault http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a … e_id=1770.ATG wrote:
Your an idiot if you compare smart bombs to lining up people in trenchs and shooting them seriously.BN wrote:
Don’t use 911 as an excuse to arrest/go to war/fight everyone. Its starting to become the US's holocaust.ATG wrote:
You guys aren't the ones who had 3000 fucking civilians slaughtered on live television.
How in the fuck could you have any clue regarding the emotions involved in that?
You don't, and with luck you never will.
You guys aren't the ones who had 300 or so hostages held by Iran for over a year.
You couldn't possibly understand.
Rather pointless to try and get you to, I suspect.
You Iran defenders need to understand something: we have 130000+ troops in Iraq. Any persons wishing to talk to Iranians should do it at a U.S. base or be preparred to be black-listed or taken out.
Talk about apples to oranges.
Any you dudes care to go assist the Iranians and Iraqis in the jihad, feel free. Many of you would be embraced.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I dont necessarily disagree with you. . . .Turquoise wrote:
Well, think about this.. if we do withdraw from Iraq soon, Iran will attempt to take it over, but in the process, it will bleed them of funds and manpower like it is with us right now. Essentially, Iraq could become Iran's burden if we leave, and that would likely stifle their nuclear research.Ridir wrote:
No they won't. I doubt it will come to a shooting war. Iran has the perfect timing to do exactly as they please. With U.S. and U.K. public opinion against the war both governments will more then likely stay well clear of another fight and Iran knows this so it is pushing the limits to see just how far they can go. I would guess that the situation will stablize soon, a matter of a few weeks, with Iran a much more powerful country. Add on top that the U.S. will probably not get a puppet government in Iraq the next in line will be Iran and with a unifed Iraq/Iran province the area could quickly become sweptup in a ban against the West.Turquoise wrote:
Good points... We need to find the Saudi asswipes that have been smuggling Sunni extremists into Iraq.
We also need to find the Iranians and Syrians who have been adding fuel to the fire as well.
Whatever the case, Iran is on thin ice. If they keep up their antics, Iran is going to glow in the dark soon.
Lets put it this way, once we leave within a year or two, the Shia is going to try and assume full control( which probably will happen cause Iran has cash to spend). Now the Americans dont want that, so it could be trouble for the Iranians cause we probably would support the Sunni insurection against the Shiite government.
This in turn could really hamper Iran, cause we would basically be directly helping fund their enemies. We would give them American weapons, money, training etc. to counter the Iranians. This constant internal battle could be trouble for Iran, because they would be spending lots of resources trying to keep Iraq favorable to their cause. . . .
That is not a bad analysis Turquoise. . . . Cause either way both the British and American people want an end to Iraq, and for Iraq to essentially be on their own (ie not need the assistence of UK/US troops to keep security). This problem could be technically outsourced to the Iranians, we could really make Iraq a funds grinder for Iran if we want to. Not only that, keep up strict sanctions, and covert action against their financial infastructure. Iran could and I stress could be in a financial world of hurt . . . .
btw the Iraqi people arent exactly big fans of the Iranians or their government. . .
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Hey, it could be like Afghanistan ca. 1980...and we all know how well that turned out.fadedsteve wrote:
I dont necessarily disagree with you. . . .Turquoise wrote:
Well, think about this.. if we do withdraw from Iraq soon, Iran will attempt to take it over, but in the process, it will bleed them of funds and manpower like it is with us right now. Essentially, Iraq could become Iran's burden if we leave, and that would likely stifle their nuclear research.Ridir wrote:
No they won't. I doubt it will come to a shooting war. Iran has the perfect timing to do exactly as they please. With U.S. and U.K. public opinion against the war both governments will more then likely stay well clear of another fight and Iran knows this so it is pushing the limits to see just how far they can go. I would guess that the situation will stablize soon, a matter of a few weeks, with Iran a much more powerful country. Add on top that the U.S. will probably not get a puppet government in Iraq the next in line will be Iran and with a unifed Iraq/Iran province the area could quickly become sweptup in a ban against the West.
Lets put it this way, once we leave within a year or two, the Shia is going to try and assume full control( which probably will happen cause Iran has cash to spend). Now the Americans dont want that, so it could be trouble for the Iranians cause we probably would support the Sunni insurection against the Shiite government.
This in turn could really hamper Iran, cause we would basically be directly helping fund their enemies. We would give them American weapons, money, training etc. to counter the Iranians. This constant internal battle could be trouble for Iran, because they would be spending lots of resources trying to keep Iraq favorable to their cause. . . .
That is not a bad analysis Turquoise. . . . Cause either way both the British and American people want an end to Iraq, and for Iraq to essentially be on their own (ie not need the assistence of UK/US troops to keep security). This problem could be technically outsourced to the Iranians, we could really make Iraq a funds grinder for Iran if we want to. Not only that, keep up strict sanctions, and covert action against their financial infastructure. Iran could and I stress could be in a financial world of hurt . . . .
btw the Iraqi people arent exactly big fans of the Iranians or their government. . .
I am not comparing the 2, never have.ATG wrote:
Your an idiot if you compare smart bombs to lining up people in trenchs and shooting them seriously.BN wrote:
Don’t use 911 as an excuse to arrest/go to war/fight everyone. Its starting to become the US's holocaust.ATG wrote:
You guys aren't the ones who had 3000 fucking civilians slaughtered on live television.
How in the fuck could you have any clue regarding the emotions involved in that?
You don't, and with luck you never will.
You guys aren't the ones who had 300 or so hostages held by Iran for over a year.
You couldn't possibly understand.
Rather pointless to try and get you to, I suspect.
You Iran defenders need to understand something: we have 130000+ troops in Iraq. Any persons wishing to talk to Iranians should do it at a U.S. base or be preparred to be black-listed or taken out.
Talk about apples to oranges.
Any you dudes care to go assist the Iranians and Iraqis in the jihad, feel free. Many of you would be embraced.
What I am saying is
911 was a tragedy for the US and a terrible disaster for anyone involved.
but the US administration seems to use it as a badge for cart blanche aggression towards anyone who disagrees with them.
Your comment above seems to be drawing a very thin bow between Iran and 911. Its like 911 is excusing all the US’ deplorable behaviour.
Is that an admission that your analogy to U.S. action vrs. the demonspawn Nazis was fallacy?BN wrote:
I am not comparing the 2, never have.ATG wrote:
Your an idiot if you compare smart bombs to lining up people in trenchs and shooting them seriously.BN wrote:
Don’t use 911 as an excuse to arrest/go to war/fight everyone. Its starting to become the US's holocaust.
What I am saying is
911 was a tragedy for the US and a terrible disaster for anyone involved.
but the US administration seems to use it as a badge for cart blanche aggression towards anyone who disagrees with them.
Your comment above seems to be drawing a very thin bow between Iran and 911. Its like 911 is excusing all the US’ deplorable behaviour.
No, I liken it to the modern day use of The Holocaust. The Holocaust was a despicable act but it is used as a defence for anything that Israel does wrong.ATG wrote:
Is that an admission that your analogy to U.S. action vrs. the demonspawn Nazis was fallacy?BN wrote:
I am not comparing the 2, never have.ATG wrote:
Your an idiot if you compare smart bombs to lining up people in trenchs and shooting them seriously.
What I am saying is
911 was a tragedy for the US and a terrible disaster for anyone involved.
but the US administration seems to use it as a badge for cart blanche aggression towards anyone who disagrees with them.
Your comment above seems to be drawing a very thin bow between Iran and 911. Its like 911 is excusing all the US’ deplorable behaviour.
I agree that there is a degree of "fear" politics going on. However, those situations are hardly comparable. If you can show me someone in the Israeli government that has justified Israels occupation as a result of the holocaust I would like to see it. We know Bush has used the attacks to justify war.BN wrote:
No, I liken it to the modern day use of The Holocaust. The Holocaust was a despicable act but it is used as a defence for anything that Israel does wrong.ATG wrote:
Is that an admission that your analogy to U.S. action vrs. the demonspawn Nazis was fallacy?BN wrote:
I am not comparing the 2, never have.
What I am saying is
911 was a tragedy for the US and a terrible disaster for anyone involved.
but the US administration seems to use it as a badge for cart blanche aggression towards anyone who disagrees with them.
Your comment above seems to be drawing a very thin bow between Iran and 911. Its like 911 is excusing all the US’ deplorable behaviour.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Better watch it, you might have the FBI at your door dude. . . .EVieira wrote:
Lets start by shooting Bush then...Varegg wrote:
So ATG, basically all that stirs up shit in Iraq should be shot on sight right ?
I couldn`t agree more !
What you just said could get you some time in the Alabama slammer!!
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Have things have got that bad that saying that kind of thing in Brazil will get the FBI dragging you in to the USA and arresting you??fadedsteve wrote:
Better watch it, you might have the FBI at your door dude. . . .EVieira wrote:
Lets start by shooting Bush then...Varegg wrote:
So ATG, basically all that stirs up shit in Iraq should be shot on sight right ?
I couldn`t agree more !
What you just said could get you some time in the Alabama slammer!!
If you threaten the Presidents life in the USA, and the authorities here/see you do it, you go to jail. For instance, if I was at a bar and was yelling "I am gonna kill Bush", and a cop heard me, he could arrest me on suspicion of assassinating the president. . . .Granted he might think I am a drunken idiot, but none the less he could take me in.crimson_grunt wrote:
Have things have got that bad that saying that kind of thing in Brazil will get the FBI dragging you in to the USA and arresting you??fadedsteve wrote:
Better watch it, you might have the FBI at your door dude. . . .EVieira wrote:
Lets start by shooting Bush then...
What you just said could get you some time in the Alabama slammer!!
I didnt see that he was in Brazil. . . .The FBI wouldnt waste its time on him, they have bigger fish to fry.
I could tell any police man in my town that I am going to "get a gun and go shoot Blair" and he wouldn't do a dam thing........probably tell me im an idiot, but he couldnt or wouldnt arrest me. Freedom of Speech...ftw!!fadedsteve wrote:
If you threaten the Presidents life in the USA, and the authorities here/see you do it, you go to jail. For instance, if I was at a bar and was yelling "I am gonna kill Bush", and a cop heard me, he could arrest me on suspicion of assassinating the president. . . .Granted he might think I am a drunken idiot, but none the less he could take me in.crimson_grunt wrote:
Have things have got that bad that saying that kind of thing in Brazil will get the FBI dragging you in to the USA and arresting you??fadedsteve wrote:
Better watch it, you might have the FBI at your door dude. . . .
What you just said could get you some time in the Alabama slammer!!
I didnt see that he was in Brazil. . . .The FBI wouldnt waste its time on him, they have bigger fish to fry.
Are you pulling our leg or is this actually true? Because if it is... well there you have it! You're living in a dictatorship!fadedsteve wrote:
If you threaten the Presidents life in the USA, and the authorities here/see you do it, you go to jail. For instance, if I was at a bar and was yelling "I am gonna kill Bush", and a cop heard me, he could arrest me on suspicion of assassinating the president. . . .Granted he might think I am a drunken idiot, but none the less he could take me in.
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I hope that was a little sarcastic, but if not...
I don't know how things are in Greece, but yelling "I'm going to shoot Bush in the face with a glock!" is a threat, whereas saying "Bush is a complete moron!" is just fine. There is a big difference between threats and criticism!
I don't know how things are in Greece, but yelling "I'm going to shoot Bush in the face with a glock!" is a threat, whereas saying "Bush is a complete moron!" is just fine. There is a big difference between threats and criticism!
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