Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6624
a month after I fully stop playing BF2, with only a guide left to finish, I finally realise how to make missles hit a J-10.

problem:

missles fail to turn fast enough to hit the hitbox, but fast enough to go through the back of the J-10, which is 'unhitboxed'. This is both because of the bad placing of the heat source (the bit that missles fly at) and the hitbox.

solution:

force missles to turn down TOWARDS the heat source. force them to have to do their best to turn down fast enough to not go in front of the jet. You're effectively reversing the scenario: instead of missles not being able to turn fast enough to reach the heat source in the back of the jet, and thus undershooting the hitbox, they're not turning fast enough to actually reach the heat source and thus hit the hitbox in front of it.

I'm a retard for not realising this. honestly, after looking for ways for so long.

as for the people who don't understand what this means:

have your missles go DOWN to hit a J10. Keep your nose high. get close (otherwise missles will go behind the J-10 again) and fire. Missles fire from the bottom of your jet, thus keep yourself above the J-10.

I've just tried this for a few rounds on dalian and got a way higher hit rate against J-10's than normal.

remember to combine this with the no-lock-on trick explained in my guide

EDIT: for a more clearer example, have a pretty picture: clicky.

Last edited by SargeV1.4 (2007-03-31 13:21:42)

https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6604|USA
Revelation...

So what he basically said, is Aim INFRONT of the J-10....in any situation......thank you...

Captain Obvious....
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6460|Gogledd Cymru

im going to do that all the time sarge cheers bud
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6624

Naughty_Om wrote:

Revelation...

So what he basically said, is Aim INFRONT of the J-10....in any situation......thank you...

Captain Obvious....
no, what I said is position yourself within a range that makes the missles unable to turn enough to reach the heat source.

but hey, I'm sure you're quite the shizzle at flying, what with your 5 KD, 30 hours, and pro clan experiences.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|6601|Washington, DC

Can you make a video? I'm having a hard time comprehending it.
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6604|USA

SargeV1.4 wrote:

Naughty_Om wrote:

Revelation...

So what he basically said, is Aim INFRONT of the J-10....in any situation......thank you...

Captain Obvious....
no, what I said is position yourself within a range that makes the missles unable to turn enough to reach the heat source.

but hey, I'm sure you're quite the shizzle at flying, what with your 5 KD, 30 hours, and pro clan experiences.
Making them turn down is the same as firing infront of the jet, As long as the missile is working toward the jet, as opposed to away of it, then yes, it will be the same effect.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6624

Naughty_Om wrote:

SargeV1.4 wrote:

Naughty_Om wrote:

Revelation...

So what he basically said, is Aim INFRONT of the J-10....in any situation......thank you...

Captain Obvious....
no, what I said is position yourself within a range that makes the missles unable to turn enough to reach the heat source.

but hey, I'm sure you're quite the shizzle at flying, what with your 5 KD, 30 hours, and pro clan experiences.
Making them turn down is the same as firing infront of the jet, As long as the missile is working toward the jet, as opposed to away of it, then yes, it will be the same effect.
I'm going to get flash out to force your simple mind to comprehend what I'm saying. Be back in 5.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
oChaos.Haze
Member
+90|6409
I have defiantely noticed missiles hit WAY more often when you're close.  In fact I've also kinda noticed the downwards thing I (think).  Whenever I'm close on a j10, first off I do the no lock trick, but I always try to make it so I'm pointing a little bit upwards and they are slightly lower than me.  Usually they hit with about a 65 to 75 percent hitrate, which is absurd for the f35 vs j10.  Is this similar to what you are saying?  Haha, I smoked too much this afternoon, not really getting the specifics of your strategy.

Last edited by oChaos.Haze (2007-03-31 12:54:16)

TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
+412|6591|Mhz

I think I pretty much get what you mean, I'll go try it in a min, though i've not flown for many many months really, wasn't that great before lol but good enough to wreck pubs (not hard i know ).

Think a quick demo video would work wonders on clearing up the grey areas
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6604|USA

SargeV1.4 wrote:

Naughty_Om wrote:

SargeV1.4 wrote:


no, what I said is position yourself within a range that makes the missles unable to turn enough to reach the heat source.

but hey, I'm sure you're quite the shizzle at flying, what with your 5 KD, 30 hours, and pro clan experiences.
Making them turn down is the same as firing infront of the jet, As long as the missile is working toward the jet, as opposed to away of it, then yes, it will be the same effect.
I'm going to get flash out to force your simple mind to comprehend what I'm saying. Be back in 5.
I do get what your saying, but all im adding to it is that Aiming infront of the J-10 has similar effects. WHen you are locked, just point your nose higher than his, not on it. That way the missile must compensate for both the forward and downward, not just the forward, causing the missile to have a higher % chance of connecting with the fast moving hitbox.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6624
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/6986/artardsah3.jpg

Last edited by SargeV1.4 (2007-03-31 13:14:34)

https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6604|USA
Can you zoom it in? its hard to read.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6624
stupid ass BF2s.. fixed
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
De_Jappe
Triarii
+432|6498|Belgium

Thanks sarge! I noticed how my missiles lately have been hitting J10's occasionally, but I never knew what I did different from when they didn't hit me. I'll try to remember this
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6617
How do you know that the hit box is in front of the jet? Honest question, I'm just wondering.
Darkhelmet
cereal killer
+233|6721|the middle of nowhere

Hurricane wrote:

Can you make a video? I'm having a hard time comprehending it.
It's really not that hard. I find that being just directly behind them also works. Just don't, and I mean NEVER, be under the J-10. Just get exactly behind it with little to no space and spam missles. It works every time.
elite.mafia
Banned
+122|6424|USA
Doesn't work. Nice try.
The_Killer
Banned
+113|6496|dunno

elite.mafia wrote:

Doesn't work. Nice try.
proof?
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6624

elite.mafia wrote:

Doesn't work. Nice try.
k.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
[AH1z]PJ
Member
+75|6328
be above and behind at the same time so that ur looking at the top of the jet not the tail

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3425/j10nv1.jpg
Jestar
Shifty's Home Number: 02 9662 8432
+373|6712

Lol Thats the most detailed Picture EVARZ!  ^

Last edited by Jestar12345 (2007-03-31 15:28:29)

[AH1z]PJ
Member
+75|6328
ehh didnt notice there were pics in the main post, Iwouldnt have posted it
Rabbit.v2
Banned
+186|6499|stalker.
I knew that already
bodrider
Member
+0|6283
Sounds good, have to start doing that when I'm up against a J-10, every other jet I haven't had any difficulty against, but the J-10 is pushing it until now.
montypythizzle
Member
+21|6573
I am still unaware of the no lock-on trick explain this better to me please!! FYI I just spam all 6 missiles at them when behind them

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