and the intawebs in general, come to think of it....GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
computer game internet forums damage society too. we should ban those as well
Poll
Should smoking be outlawed?
| Yes, it belongs outlawed along with canabis. | 25% | 25% - 78 | ||||
| Yes | 16% | 16% - 51 | ||||
| Don't know, don't care. | 4% | 4% - 13 | ||||
| No - I smoke | 6% | 6% - 21 | ||||
| No - I don't smoke | 13% | 13% - 40 | ||||
| No - and canabis should be made legal. | 33% | 33% - 103 | ||||
| Total: 306 | ||||||
smoking regs make you a retard... do you smoke regs?Konfusion0 wrote:
I've been high. And when you're high, you react like a retard, you make decisions like a retard, so essentially, you become one imo.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Ever been high?NemeSiS-Factor wrote:
I've heard alot of you retards claiming that being high is okay
Not everyone is retarded that thinks being high is ok and guess what, some people don't even smoke it and think its ok. Weird shit huh? Until your robbed by a pothead, struck in a vehicle by a pothead, or shot by a pothead, lets assume all of them aren't retarded.
Yeah - I'm not that ignorant. I've tried tobacco, weed and alcohol. I just don't think it's good, and I think having tried them all gives me a slightly better insight.
The worst thing about them is that they're addictive...
-konfusion
Seriously.....smoking is like drinking fine wine there is more than just placing a random green "thing" inside a bowl of sorts and having at it!
/rant
I voted no, even though i don't smoke. The huge amount of taxes that smokers pay means that the non-smokers benefit by paying lower taxes.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
My choice was actually outlaw cigs, and legalize cannabis.
Smoking is fucking discusting, I don't care what anyone says. It makes your teeth yellows, and other nasty shit. Take this video for example. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa9184e119
No, it shouldn't be outlawed. Especially not in bars, at least in the United States. I have no idea what the traditions are in other countries so it's really not my place to say in that regard, but bars here are for drinking and smoking. Always have been. They're not "family" places. You don't bring the kid and his friends to the bar for his birthday.
I choose to smoke. I don't force it on anyone else, and I've never seen anyone become addicted to cigarettes due to being in my presence while I smoke. Further, I've seen no REAL science proving the claim that 2nd hand smoke is just as dangerous as firsthand.
I know it's bad for me, I'd have to be stupid to think it's not. But a lot of things people do are bad for them. Let's take a look at obesity. People shove horrible food in their faces seven times a day at McDonalds, and nobody wants to outlaw McDonalds do they?
I hear the argument that it creates an unsafe work environment pretty frequently. Well guess what folks, the people who apply for a job at an establishment that allows smoking know full well what they're getting into. It's not a private business owner's responsibility to change his policies for people who have the choice to work there or not. I have a very, VERY hard time believing that there's someone in a situation that dictates their only possible work on the planet is at one single, solitary bar somewhere that allows smoking. There are plenty of jobs, and there are plenty of bars/restaurants that DON'T allow smoking. People can work there, and people can dine/drink there if they don't want to smoke.
The bottom line is, the government is encroaching the private sector's rights by mandating a smoking ban. If I buy property, own it, and receive no state, city, or federal money, I have the right to do with it what I please. Now, if cigarettes themselves were illegal, that'd be an entirely different story. However our hypocritical government officials make far too much money off of tobacco to ever let that pass.
What a world we live in.
I choose to smoke. I don't force it on anyone else, and I've never seen anyone become addicted to cigarettes due to being in my presence while I smoke. Further, I've seen no REAL science proving the claim that 2nd hand smoke is just as dangerous as firsthand.
I know it's bad for me, I'd have to be stupid to think it's not. But a lot of things people do are bad for them. Let's take a look at obesity. People shove horrible food in their faces seven times a day at McDonalds, and nobody wants to outlaw McDonalds do they?
I hear the argument that it creates an unsafe work environment pretty frequently. Well guess what folks, the people who apply for a job at an establishment that allows smoking know full well what they're getting into. It's not a private business owner's responsibility to change his policies for people who have the choice to work there or not. I have a very, VERY hard time believing that there's someone in a situation that dictates their only possible work on the planet is at one single, solitary bar somewhere that allows smoking. There are plenty of jobs, and there are plenty of bars/restaurants that DON'T allow smoking. People can work there, and people can dine/drink there if they don't want to smoke.
The bottom line is, the government is encroaching the private sector's rights by mandating a smoking ban. If I buy property, own it, and receive no state, city, or federal money, I have the right to do with it what I please. Now, if cigarettes themselves were illegal, that'd be an entirely different story. However our hypocritical government officials make far too much money off of tobacco to ever let that pass.
What a world we live in.
If smoking is banned, then organized crime will rise dramatically. When the US tried to ban alcohol in the 1920s and 30s it was a disaster because all the people still wanted their liquor so organized crime syndicates arose to profit from it. These groups eventually started doing other illegal activities besides selling alcohol. During the time when alcohol was banned organized crime was extremely rampant in the US, and when alcohol was unbanned, it died down (though did not go away). If tobacco is banned the same thing will happen, so it is best to keep it unbanned, but try to get people to not get addicted from the beginning and try to get the already addicted people off it.
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NO, smoking should not be outlawed, as much as I hate smoking, outlawing it would infringe on a person right to life, liberty and happiness.
The hitch is, it should be curtailed around non-smokers because, forcing someone to breathe your polluted and toxic breath, is also hindering someone’s' right to life liberty and happiness.
The hitch is, it should be curtailed around non-smokers because, forcing someone to breathe your polluted and toxic breath, is also hindering someone’s' right to life liberty and happiness.
What about heroin and cocaine and PCP and the like then? Should we legalize that too?
Last edited by Hurricane (2007-03-26 16:54:40)
Absolutley, legalize all drugs. Why do I give a shit if someone wants to OD on coccaine or crack? It is their choice. Just put the same stipulations on it that we do alcohol. No crack and driving.Hurricane wrote:
What about heroin and cocaine and the like then? Should we legalize that too?
At some point in their lives, ( BEFORE they are addicted to drugs) they had to make a conscience decision to take it in the first place. So I have no sympathy.
Legalize it, tax the shit out of it, and relieve the burdon of the tax payers for other social programs.
Last edited by lowing (2007-03-26 16:57:31)
There is only one reason not to outlaw smoking, it will make smokers outlaws. It will only create a large black market and generate crime. Canabis should be legalized for the same reason smoking should be.
...or who are exposed to it and its chemical properties on a daily second-hand basis. I would rather lick the interior of an exhaust pipe than take up smoking. At least I know that shit's just honest exhaust, and smog bothers my lungs exponentially less than cigarette smoke.Konfusion0 wrote:
...usually begun by people who are either gullible, don't know better, or cave into peer pressure easily...
Who the fuck's gonna tell you no when you're on crack?lowing wrote:
Absolutley, legalize all drugs. Why do I give a shit if someone wants to OD on coccaine or crack? It is their choice. Just put the same stipulations on it that we do alcohol. No crack and driving.
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Legalize and regulate pot. It'll be a huge source of tax revenue among other things....
I don't think it should, because if you do this then you should ban fast food.
I also think that if a state participates in a lawsuit against a tobacco company that they should no longer be able to a) sell cigarettes in their state and b) collect taxes from them.
Continuing to sell cigarettes is just as bad as those "pay day" loan places. It is simply praying upon well known lack of/poor judgment of a certain group of citizens. (This is where I deviate from capitalism into socialism).
I also think that if a state participates in a lawsuit against a tobacco company that they should no longer be able to a) sell cigarettes in their state and b) collect taxes from them.
Continuing to sell cigarettes is just as bad as those "pay day" loan places. It is simply praying upon well known lack of/poor judgment of a certain group of citizens. (This is where I deviate from capitalism into socialism).
I guess the same person wh ois gunna tell you NO when you are DRUNK!!!unnamednewbie13 wrote:
...or who are exposed to it and its chemical properties on a daily second-hand basis. I would rather lick the interior of an exhaust pipe than take up smoking. At least I know that shit's just honest exhaust, and smog bothers my lungs exponentially less than cigarette smoke.Konfusion0 wrote:
...usually begun by people who are either gullible, don't know better, or cave into peer pressure easily...Who the fuck's gonna tell you no when you're on crack?lowing wrote:
Absolutley, legalize all drugs. Why do I give a shit if someone wants to OD on coccaine or crack? It is their choice. Just put the same stipulations on it that we do alcohol. No crack and driving.
Exactly.lowing wrote:
I guess the same person wh ois gunna tell you NO when you are DRUNK!!!unnamednewbie13 wrote:
...or who are exposed to it and its chemical properties on a daily second-hand basis. I would rather lick the interior of an exhaust pipe than take up smoking. At least I know that shit's just honest exhaust, and smog bothers my lungs exponentially less than cigarette smoke.Konfusion0 wrote:
...usually begun by people who are either gullible, don't know better, or cave into peer pressure easily...Who the fuck's gonna tell you no when you're on crack?lowing wrote:
Absolutley, legalize all drugs. Why do I give a shit if someone wants to OD on coccaine or crack? It is their choice. Just put the same stipulations on it that we do alcohol. No crack and driving.
Ideally, we should legalize all drugs, but in reality, we probably can't legalize crack without much of society falling apart.
The problem with many Americans is that they don't seem to understand that legalizing pot is a far cry from legalizing crack. Pot wouldn't damage society anymore than alcohol or cigarrettes, and legalizing it would free up some time for law enforcement to focus on more serious crimes like rape and murder.
Smoking a joint isn't going to hurt society in any significant way, unless you're driving while smoking one.
The problem with many Americans is that they don't seem to understand that legalizing pot is a far cry from legalizing crack. Pot wouldn't damage society anymore than alcohol or cigarrettes, and legalizing it would free up some time for law enforcement to focus on more serious crimes like rape and murder.
Smoking a joint isn't going to hurt society in any significant way, unless you're driving while smoking one.
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Great. Great job, no? Get the whole society fucked up. Make it so that no one talks any more - you'll just hear people snorting.lowing wrote:
Absolutley, legalize all drugs. Why do I give a shit if someone wants to OD on coccaine or crack? It is their choice. Just put the same stipulations on it that we do alcohol. No crack and driving.Hurricane wrote:
What about heroin and cocaine and the like then? Should we legalize that too?
At some point in their lives, ( BEFORE they are addicted to drugs) they had to make a conscience decision to take it in the first place. So I have no sympathy.
Legalize it, tax the shit out of it, and relieve the burdon of the tax payers for other social programs.
Are you crazy? Making those drugs easy to get is the worst possible thing you could do to society. Do you want to destroy your country?
-konfusion
Because the current prohibition is sooooooooo effective. Just look how few heroin and cocaine users we've got in Britain... if subsidising the means of giving up, (e.g. through support lines, tax relief on substance replacement, and strong advertising campaigns) doesn't work then I suppose the number of smokers isn't falling....Konfusion0 wrote:
Great. Great job, no? Get the whole society fucked up. Make it so that no one talks any more - you'll just hear people snorting.
Are you crazy? Making those drugs easy to get is the worst possible thing you could do to society. Do you want to destroy your country?
-konfusion
if someone wants to harm themselves, as long as it doesn't harm other (ie. smoking in public buildings etc) they should be allowed to.
IMO if someone wants to lay at home jacking scag all day, they should be allowed to, again as long as not harming others.
Its a basic human right to do what ever the fuck you want to your own body without some fuckin holly than thou politician or civil servant deciding for you. Its about the only thing left that the PC crowd haven't got their dirty mits on.
IMO if someone wants to lay at home jacking scag all day, they should be allowed to, again as long as not harming others.
Its a basic human right to do what ever the fuck you want to your own body without some fuckin holly than thou politician or civil servant deciding for you. Its about the only thing left that the PC crowd haven't got their dirty mits on.
This most be the most boring person in the world to get stuck with at a party Jeez. I mean how old are you lot because you're all talking like you've just come out of a school lesson where your teachers told you how bad and evil tabbacco/booze/weed is.NemeSiS-Factor wrote:
Washington has a law that doesn't allow smoking indoors or within 25ft of an exit. If we did ban smoking, the tobacco companies would have to be pulled down, and then there would be a huge gap in our economy. Besides, smoking is our very own natural selection. If you started smoking despite the obvious health risks, then your dumb as hell and deserve to suffer through lung cancer, emphazima, kemo-therapy and painful surgery just to die a couple of weeks later from it.
However, if you have been smoking for over 20 years, then no one really made a big deal out of it, so you had no way of knowing how damaging it was, so too bad.
As far as marijuana goes, I don't think anything that warps your perception at all should be legal. No, not even booze. Look at MOST of the drug busts that go on in the United States. Most of them are found out when they're pulled over, in a car. I've heard alot of you retards claiming that being high is okay, as long as you don't operate machinery or something. Well you have no perception, whats stopping you from going out for a spin after a bowl? Just your mind saying "No, thats a bad idea." But wait, your baked. Your going out anyway. That being said, alcohol, and cannabis, should be made illegal, but I think it would be a bad idea. Maybe the usage would go down if it was made legal, but I just don't see it happening.
First of all a few facts. Although the link between smoking and lung cancer is well established, the link with passive smoking isn’t so and thus you should actually read up about it instead of relying on media scare stories and what people like ASH tell you. There is no study that has ever proved a definitive link between passive smoking and poor health. Look at the results of studies into it and at best they suggest the risk is no where near what the papers say and at worst some even conclude there any be some benefits.
We live in a world of ridiculous scaremongering and I can see the results by the responses of some of the people here. They have been subjected to so many scare stories they act as if one sniff of tobacco and they’ll be riddled with Cancer. The link between the two was discovered in 50s or 60s (memory forgets) and how long do you think we’ve been smoking before that? What I’m trying to say is, if it was that dangerous the link would have been obvious long before as people who smoked would all die younger. The fact is smoking is dangerous but not the ticking time bomb that some would have you believe. Japan has some of the oldest people in the World living there and one of the highest smoking rates. One of the oldest women in the World didn’t give up until 90 years old.
If you’re going to ban smoking because there is a chance (yes, a chance and not a certainty) that it may end up killing you, then you might as well ban crossing the road, all extreme sports (in fact all contact sports), driving, alcohol, that weird fish that if it isn’t cooked right you’ll die, large gobstoppers etc etc. In fact, why not wrap the whole world up in cotton wool whilst you’er at it.
P.S. I am a smoker and enjoy it. Yes I want to quit by the time I’m 30 but I want to make the point that while I do smoke I enjoy it as some people on here would have you believe that all smokers hate their habit and make out like they’re heroin addicts.
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Don't forget that smoking-related diseases are a truly massive drain on the economy.max wrote:
agree. If you want to smoke, suit yourself. You want to smoke cannabis, you should be allowed to. If you want to chop off your foot, do it. As long as you are not hurting someone else, its OK by me.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
No it shouldn't. And cannabis should be legal also.
Its a personal choice.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Tobacco should be illegal.
Weed should be legal.
Weed should be legal.
Legalize everything, regulate the crap out of it so the industry is choked to death.
Same purpose, different method.
Same purpose, different method.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I too have have tried them all as well, many times, and then some. I think it is all in the individual, if you have latent retardation, then weed will amplify that. The fact is weed is no more a detriment than drinking. Having said I could not suggest something that illegal.Konfusion0 wrote:
I've been high. And when you're high, you react like a retard, you make decisions like a retard, so essentially, you become one imo.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Ever been high?NemeSiS-Factor wrote:
I've heard alot of you retards claiming that being high is okay
Not everyone is retarded that thinks being high is ok and guess what, some people don't even smoke it and think its ok. Weird shit huh? Until your robbed by a pothead, struck in a vehicle by a pothead, or shot by a pothead, lets assume all of them aren't retarded.
Yeah - I'm not that ignorant. I've tried tobacco, weed and alcohol. I just don't think it's good, and I think having tried them all gives me a slightly better insight.
The worst thing about them is that they're addictive...
-konfusion