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Because a 6th grader has a far more vast knowledge of environmental science than a real scientist...

Spark wrote:

I seriously doubt that sixth graders have the access to the data the IPCC has.

Also, I think this is just a reflection of their techer's views - he/she would've cherry picked data and information to suit his own views, and I don't think even I would've picked it at Grade 6.

Agreed.

In Grade 6, I hardly knew what Global Warming was, I was more concerned with Sports etc.
But maybe since it is more of an issue lately, they have been discussing it etc.
Nonetheless, their teacher's opinion has definitely had some influence....

Blehm98 wrote:

in Grade 4 i was thinking about how stupid all the articles about global warming were and how they really presented no truth at all...  and how they were pushing propoganda at us even when we were in 4th grade

now i understand the situation a bit better but my views are still, overall the same

the IPCC means nothing, there are parts of it that they willingly changed to be less controversial or some crap like that, and if it isn't the pure truth then i see no reason to trust it

Can you back these statements up?

Blehm98 wrote:

i read about it in scientific american, but i can't access the articles on the internet, i'll see if i can find it on google search

yeah, i can't find it, sorry...

scientific american is legit. +1

Spark wrote:

Blehm98 wrote:

i read about it in scientific american, but i can't access the articles on the internet, i'll see if i can find it on google search

yeah, i can't find it, sorry...

Remember that the IPCC is a scientific AND a political organization. Historically such organizations have not been very good at not watering things down.

But in any case, the problem would be MORE severe than the IPCC says, but the IPCC is the best souce because of the massive size of the scientific community it represents.

perhaps, but i believe if any organization wants to be completely trusted, they should give us the full facts.  The article mentioned only a couple of the changes made to the final report, but one of them was a report stating that the contributions of humans to the amount of energy that hits each square meter of earth increased 1.56 watts, whereas the sun's average increase was .12.  the actual increase in human heat production was 10x that of the sun's increase, when in fact, after some serious complaints by Saudi Arabia and China, who believed that they should say it was only 5x more of an increase.
normally this wouldn't bother me, but an international organization doing research on a very controversial and important topic should report the truth and only the truth, and especially not when countries are telling it to report otherwise

as such i do not think the IPCC is as trustable an information source as it should be

I think that the fact that you consider 6th graders the be all and end all of scientific fact is pretty telling.

Global dimming is more to do with aerosols and water vapors than CO2. But you're right in saying that it's a problem.

Note: I think this puts the 'solar variation' theory to rest once and for all.

Last edited by Spark (2007-03-23 22:58:41)

da_schmitty wrote:

ATG wrote:

young skulls full of mush

Listen to Rush Limbaugh often?

Last edited by da_schmitty (2007-03-23 23:09:31)

Spark wrote:

I seriously doubt that sixth graders have the access to the data the IPCC has.

Also, I think this is just a reflection of their techer's views - he/she would've cherry picked data and information to suit his own views, and I don't think even I would've picked it at Grade 6.

I was spoon fed global warming since fifth grade (im now a junior in high school). Ive seen the IPCC reports in every grade since then. Do you know what the first one said? It said that there was no problem from global warming. Now wait a second dosent that flaunt the idea the the own institution the bullcharges global warming didnt notice anythign until major political figures started to flaunt around the same idea. just think about it.

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

Spark wrote:

I seriously doubt that sixth graders have the access to the data the IPCC has.

Also, I think this is just a reflection of their techer's views - he/she would've cherry picked data and information to suit his own views, and I don't think even I would've picked it at Grade 6.

I was spoon fed global warming since fifth grade (im now a junior in high school). Ive seen the IPCC reports in every grade since then. Do you know what the first one said? It said that there was no problem from global warming. Now wait a second dosent that flaunt the idea the the own institution the bullcharges global warming didnt notice anythign until major political figures started to flaunt around the same idea. just think about it.

Yes well if things worked that way science would still be claiming the earth is flat. Its called progress. Get with the times.