tghpieman
Member
+2|6688
I may have just registered on these forums today but i have been reading the topics in here for a while now. And the one thing that has annoyed me when i have been reading things here is the term "liberal". Coming for the UK where the term is not used that much and that i consider myself to be quite an extreme socialist, I in all fairness have no idea what so ever what Americans or other wise mean by a liberal.

So i pose to everyone can you people explain to me what a liberal is?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7200|Argentina
Let me explain you what most conservatives will say: "the root of all problems".
topthrill05
Member
+125|7021|Rochester NY USA
That sums it up.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina
Liberal is much more moderate politically in America than it is in the U.K.  I would guess that American liberalism would be considered the equivalent of British centrism.  In some ways, Democrats would be seen as somewhat conservative by British standards.

As far as 1st World countries go, America is probably one of the most conservative ones.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7118|Canberra, AUS
Liberal means nothing.

It's a label.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
reaper_654
confused??
+36|6739|ohio,USA

sergeriver wrote:

Let me explain you what most conservatives will say: "the root of all problems".
yah pretty much well next thread
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7044|132 and Bush

Spark wrote:

Liberal means nothing.

It's a label.
It is an extremely vague one. There are many forms of liberalism. This is the most common one associated in modern politics though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_lib … ted_States
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6733|Éire

tghpieman wrote:

I may have just registered on these forums today but i have been reading the topics in here for a while now. And the one thing that has annoyed me when i have been reading things here is the term "liberal". Coming for the UK where the term is not used that much and that i consider myself to be quite an extreme socialist, I in all fairness have no idea what so ever what Americans or other wise mean by a liberal.

So i pose to everyone can you people explain to me what a liberal is?
Anyone who believes in any form of healthcare or welfare benefits for the less fortunate members of society will usually be landed with that label in here. Of course they'll say these kind of schemes only encourage laziness and are there to be abused by people who aren't willing to go out and work hard for everything in this life. Most of these kind of threads usually end in extreme right wing Americans realising that there are actually many similarities between the European economic system and the US one, likewise many of us 'liberals' get to find out that the Americans actually have many of the same kinds of benefit schemes we have here.

Many people in here can't actually distinguish between Socialism and Communism.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6972|Global Command
Neo-marxist.
Idol worship ( Enviroment ).
Dis-interest in international borders.
Socoalist.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7200|Argentina

ATG wrote:

Neo-marxist.
Idol worship ( Enviroment ).
Dis-interest in international borders.
Socoalist.
Dis-interest in international borders?  Bush must be a liberal.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6733|Éire

sergeriver wrote:

Dis-interest in international borders?  Bush must be a liberal.
Excellent, lol.
tghpieman
Member
+2|6688

Braddock wrote:

Many people in here can't actually distinguish between Socialism and Communism.
yes, i have noticed this myself, example i would say that i am a socialist and i would understand if people thought that i was a bit extreme and i can imagne that i a lot of people would see my views as communist; and it is important for people to recognise the difference between the two ideologies.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6810|Columbus, Ohio
Want to appease everyone except the people they disagree with.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6923|Somewhere else

Here in BF2s,  Liberal=cowardly hippie,  Conservative=Fascist,elitist pro corperate war mongor.

there is no grey here, anymore.

:p
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7200|Argentina

usmarine2007 wrote:

Want to appease everyone except the people they disagree with.
Isn't it the same than appeasing only those who you agree with?
tghpieman
Member
+2|6688

RoosterCantrell wrote:

Here in BF2s,  Liberal=cowardly hippie,  Conservative=Fascist,elitist pro corperate war mongor.

there is no grey here, anymore.

:p
I am glad to see that generalisations are not made here.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6810|Columbus, Ohio

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Want to appease everyone except the people they disagree with.
Isn't it the same than appeasing only those who you agree with?
tomato tomatoe
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7128|United States of America
Those damn liberals freed our slaves! Led by that Black Republican Lincoln!
Interesting thought I had though- Liberals are traditionally at least somewhat for reform, correct? I wonder how far you can go before you betray your own reforms to something else. Liberal and conservative views leapfrog depending on what your take of the status quo is.
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+697|6734|Washington St.
Those who care about others. Not rich, fat, self-centered, white men. The ones who want the line between rich and poor to become smaller, have everyone be more or less equal, instead of increasing it. Those who care about the enviornment and would like to see it survive instead of having the earth become a desolate wateland with the only suriviving animals being humans and crows.
The good people.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina

DesertFox423 wrote:

Those damn liberals freed our slaves! Led by that Black Republican Lincoln!
Interesting thought I had though- Liberals are traditionally at least somewhat for reform, correct? I wonder how far you can go before you betray your own reforms to something else. Liberal and conservative views leapfrog depending on what your take of the status quo is.
Good points...  Republicans were once social liberals, just like Democrats were once social conservatives.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6972|Global Command

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

Neo-marxist.
Idol worship ( Enviroment ).
Dis-interest in international borders.
Socoalist.
Dis-interest in international borders?  Bush must be a liberal.
Turns out, he is. Thats why I will never vote for a Republican president as long as I live again.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7004
A liberal is a leftist, basically.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6830

ATG wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

Neo-marxist.
Idol worship ( Enviroment ).
Dis-interest in international borders.
Socoalist.
Dis-interest in international borders?  Bush must be a liberal.
Turns out, he is. Thats why I will never vote for a Republican president as long as I live again.
Ok thats something that is rather contradictory to what you normal would say. I thought you voted for the principles the man(or woman) had and his experience, etc, NOT his political affiliation, bad ATG.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7200|Argentina

ATG wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

Neo-marxist.
Idol worship ( Enviroment ).
Dis-interest in international borders.
Socoalist.
Dis-interest in international borders?  Bush must be a liberal.
Turns out, he is. Thats why I will never vote for a Republican president as long as I live again.
Bush is liberal?  Lol.  This governement is a fine example of neoconservativism.
Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6899|The edge of sanity

Spark wrote:

Liberal means nothing.

It's a label.
QFE. It just a label for a persons ideas. It cant really be used to justify anything but a persons mindset and how to lable that mindset.

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