Pages: 1 2

 

2007-03-22 07:41:19
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|6942|Teesside, UK
Sorry if this has been posted if so just delete/merge please mods.  I know this about a game but i figured it was too topical for the "other titles" section

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23702

Games Industry.biz wrote:

"Political activisits are calling on U2 singer Bono, as an investor in Pandemic Studios, to halt the development of forthcoming shooter Mercenaries 2: World in Flames.

The game is set in Venezuela and sees players taking on a political tyrant who has taken control of the oil industry. It's already attracted criticism from the country's president, Hugo Chavez, who labelled it as an example of "psychological warfare".

Now the Venezuelan Solidarity Campaign has written an open letter to religious leaders asking for their help in stopping production on the game.

The VSC claims that Pandemic has previously been subcontracted by the US army to make training games, and observes, "The aim of [Mercenaries 2] is full devastation, so any 'person' who moves should be 'shot,' and all the buildings, such as the headquarters of PDVSA, the Venezuelan public oil company, can be 'destroyed.'

"Our concern is that this game will only deepen an already antagonistic relationship between the US and Venezuelan governments. Millions of Venezuelans fear an invasion from the US; knowing that a company that works for the US military has created a game in which their country is completely destroyed will increase those concerns."
Does this mean that in the future any films/books and games depicting war are not expected to have any real world/similarity to real word settings?  Why do some people have trouble with mindless entertainment and convince themselves its evil propaganda aimed at destroying them?

opinions?
2007-03-22 07:46:28
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6781|N. Ireland
This topic has been posted so many times. Search before posting.
2007-03-22 07:49:08
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6856|Mountains of NC

Theres something very wrong Hugo Chavez, mentally would be my guess


While Pres. Bush was on his S. America tour, Chavez spilled his conspiracy speeches to the masses and that lead to riots

Now he wants the halt of a video game  ( which is protected under the Freedom of Speech )

good luck on that
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/17445/carhartt.jpg
2007-03-22 07:58:56
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6733|The Land of Scott Walker
Look out Hugo! The videogame is going to take down your empire!
2007-03-22 08:01:47
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|6942|Teesside, UK

leetkyle wrote:

This topic has been posted so many times. Search before posting.
I did search and saw nothing about games being called psycholigcal warfare.  What key words shoud have i have searched for?

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-03-22 08:02:04)

2007-03-22 10:05:47
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,056|7059|PNW

Kinda like Russians complaining about Rambo 3.

leetkyle wrote:

This topic has been posted so many times. Search before posting.
Here's a search for Mercs 2: http://forums.bf2s.com/search.php?search_id=789549509

Not even this topic came up. Search isn't God. How in-depth do people have to search before posting something? If you have an identical topic somewhere in your memory, just post it. The author of the duplicate subject can always delete.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-03-22 10:10:37)

2007-03-22 10:30:38
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6578|Éire
This is more and more of a modern phenomenon. There is talk of a war movie being made set in the current Iraq conflict, if this does get released it will be the first time in cinema history that a war movie has come out in the midst of the major conflict it is depicting (this was the claim in the magazine article I read this in ..which I've lost and can't find reference to online, but I did read it ...trust me!). This would mark a new era in artistic and cultural expression of real world events and a dangerous one in my opinion. There are more forms of media present in today's world than ever before and this gives people more opportunity to influence other people. It has long been the case that Hollywood release movies that bolster the war effort during times of conflict; video games just provide another point of attack.

What would you think if video games were around in the 40's and a German company marketed a game where you played a nazi who had to round up Jews? I don't advocate censorship but I do advocate common sense and responsible behaviour from those that wield the power of modern media.
2007-03-22 10:58:36
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|6942|Teesside, UK

Braddock wrote:

What would you think if video games were around in the 40's and a German company marketed a game where you played a nazi who had to round up Jews? I don't advocate censorship but I do advocate common sense and responsible behaviour from those that wield the power of modern media.
I was thinking something along slightly similar lines.

What if a German publisher made a call of duty type game from a German perspective? or North Korea made a mercenaries type game which had a clearly fictional story like a US/UK hardliner government who pulled a coup then acted like major dicks to their own people and NK allied with the UN to take them out. 

Would UK/USA people play it if the games were good or would they condemn these games as inciting hatred?  I’m assuming were better than that and would accept it as entertainment like it was intended but I don't have an answer just wondering.
2007-03-22 12:16:26
Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6743|The edge of sanity
*RANT*
For gods sake its just a video game. Theres no creation of hatred from these games. I play games like red alert, and does that make me hate russia/russians? not from the game no (i only hate the russian goverment the people are usually nice).
*/RANT*
In all seriousness to the topic the fact that they call on video games as carcenogins of violence is purley false (take example from above). What causes violence is the fault of many factors such as enviorment, behaviorl patterns, and the way in which a person is raised.
2007-03-22 16:05:03
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6837|CH/BR - in UK

crimson_grunt wrote:

What if a German publisher made a call of duty type game from a German perspective?
What's the problem with that? WWI was not just Germany's fault - go read an unbiased non-alliance, non-axis view on it. Germany was fighting the same war Britain was...

-konfusion
2007-03-22 16:22:45
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6578|Éire

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

What causes violence is the fault of many factors such as enviorment...
Video games are part of the cultural environment. I don't think video games and films can be blamed for violence but they certainly can colour peoples perceptions about certain things even if it's only on a very subtle level; films certainly do.

What I mean to say is they can re-inforce or even establish stereotypes if there is enough exposure to the public at large.
2007-03-22 16:26:13
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|6942|Teesside, UK

Konfusion0 wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

What if a German publisher made a call of duty type game from a German perspective?
What's the problem with that? WWI was not just Germany's fault - go read an unbiased non-alliance, non-axis view on it. Germany was fighting the same war Britain was...

-konfusion
I thought the call of duty games were all WW2?  If not then i was talking about the WW2 games.
2007-03-22 16:29:07
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6837|CH/BR - in UK

crimson_grunt wrote:

Konfusion0 wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

What if a German publisher made a call of duty type game from a German perspective?
What's the problem with that? WWI was not just Germany's fault - go read an unbiased non-alliance, non-axis view on it. Germany was fighting the same war Britain was...

-konfusion
I thought the call of duty games were all WW2?  If not then i was talking about the WW2 games.
That being the case, I take "What's the problem with that?" back .D

-konfusion
2007-03-22 16:39:49
Fen321
Member
+54|6785|Singularity

Braddock wrote:

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

What causes violence is the fault of many factors such as enviorment...
Video games are part of the cultural environment. I don't think video games and films can be blamed for violence but they certainly can colour peoples perceptions about certain things even if it's only on a very subtle level; films certainly do.

What I mean to say is they can re-inforce or even establish stereotypes if there is enough exposure to the public at large.
Take 300 is a current example of how history can be distorted -- literally the move turns into a fight over "freedom" instead of the actual reasons which was purely revenge motivated due to the sacking of a Persian city by the Greeks (future Greeks rather).
2007-03-22 16:42:39
BeerzGod
Hooray Beer!
+94|6857|United States
Yeah, I can really see us invading Venezuela. That would take all of four hours... a wasted four hours. Hugo is totally crazy.
2007-03-22 16:45:20
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6578|Éire

BeerzGod wrote:

Yeah, I can really see us invading Venezuela. That would take all of four hours... a wasted four hours. Hugo is totally crazy.
Four hours to invade and several years of carnage to try and maintain any kind of semblance of peace and civil order.
2007-03-22 16:54:20
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|6942|Teesside, UK

BeerzGod wrote:

Yeah, I can really see us invading Venezuela.That would take all of four hours... a wasted four hours.
Well if they can ban this game then you guys will clearly fail as you wont be able to train properly.
Some people have distorted visions of games and what their used for.

BeerzGod wrote:

Hugo is totally crazy.
I agree.  Anyone who thinks a fictional game is a tool of the goverment to train the public in being ready to invade sounds out of touch with reality.

"According to a report by the Associated Press, politicians loyal to Venezuela president Hugo Chavez - who has repeatedly accused Washington of planning to overthrow him - believe that the game is a tool which will be used by the government to gain support for a real life invasion, with congressman Ismael Garcia commenting: "I think the US government knows how to prepare campaigns of psychological terror so they can make things happen later."
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17301
2007-03-23 03:38:46
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6692|North Carolina
Interesting thread...  Overall, I'd agree that it's just a game.

This reminds me of how Iranians got pissed over "300".  It's just a fucking film.
2007-03-23 04:19:54
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6849

crimson_grunt wrote:

Why do some people have trouble with mindless entertainment and convince themselves its evil propaganda aimed at destroying them?
Because the US are never the bad guys, perhaps.

Remember when the Pentagon tried to ban BF2?
2007-03-23 04:22:38
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6849

Turquoise wrote:

This reminds me of how Iranians got pissed over "300".  It's just a fucking film.
So was invasion of the Body Snatchers, and The 300 Spartans.
2007-03-23 04:23:05
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7004

crimson_grunt wrote:

Konfusion0 wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

What if a German publisher made a call of duty type game from a German perspective?
What's the problem with that? WWI was not just Germany's fault - go read an unbiased non-alliance, non-axis view on it. Germany was fighting the same war Britain was...

-konfusion
I thought the call of duty games were all WW2?  If not then i was talking about the WW2 games.
Yeah its all WW2. If you want a German based game.. Try silenthunter 3. Strategy game though, you take the role of a German U-boat captain and sink Allied Merchant boats and warships.
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
2007-03-23 04:23:37
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|6942|Teesside, UK

Bubbalo wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

Why do some people have trouble with mindless entertainment and convince themselves its evil propaganda aimed at destroying them?
Because the US are never the bad guys, perhaps.

Remember when the Pentagon tried to ban BF2?
No!  Really? or are you just pulling my leg?
2007-03-23 04:24:45
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6849
Well, they didn't technically try to ban it..................

You know, that video which the said was a mod, and it encouraged killing of US soldiers and stuff.
2007-03-23 04:25:17
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7004

Bubbalo wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

Why do some people have trouble with mindless entertainment and convince themselves its evil propaganda aimed at destroying them?
Because the US are never the bad guys, perhaps.

Remember when the Pentagon tried to ban BF2?
That was Congress actually, they didn't try to ban BF2, but the "Terrorist modification which you send 25 dollars for it" AKA BF2: SF... Where you can play the role of an insurgent... Just coz some Euro-Arab guy made a film while playing SF using lines from Team America "When I was young... the Black hawk helicopters came into my town..."

EA laughed their asses off.
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
2007-03-23 04:27:16
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6849

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

Why do some people have trouble with mindless entertainment and convince themselves its evil propaganda aimed at destroying them?
Because the US are never the bad guys, perhaps.

Remember when the Pentagon tried to ban BF2?
That was Congress actually, they didn't try to ban BF2, but the "Terrorist modification which you send 25 dollars for it" AKA BF2: SF... Where you can play the role of an insurgent... Just coz some Euro-Arab guy made a film while playing SF using lines from Team America "When I was young... the Black hawk helicopters came into my town..."

EA laughed their asses off.
IIRC, it was a report to Congress by the Pentagon.

Either way, my point is that Venezuala isn't the only country to overreact.

 

Pages: 1 2

Board footer

Privacy Policy - © 2025 Jeff Minard