Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|7180|Toronto, ON
At least in theory.

To have a semi-successful democracy (ie. Western nations), there must exist 3rd world countries to depend on otherwise capitalism fails.

In communism, it works everywhere and all the time IF the government is not corrupt (ie. China).


Discuss.
Alpha as fuck.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7175|The United Center
In theory pretty much everything works provided you look at it from one point of view.  The theory of communism working relies solely on the fact that people are not competitive by nature and would be perfectly happy as a garbageman, a doctor, or unemployed, since they would all reap the same benefits.  We know this is untrue.

Also, it is impossible to say that communism "works everywhere and all the time" because true communism has never been established.  Although many countries and governments have taken the steps to achieve a perfect communist society, none of them have succeeded.

Discussed.
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7160|St. Andrews / Oslo

ehh, Communism will always suck... People are way to gready, selfish and competitive...
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Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|7180|Toronto, ON
Ancient Greece was pretty much a communist nation.  They were pretty powerful too if I'm not mistaken.

That is until the war hungry Romans (and eventually Catholics) came and raped the women, killed the children, and executed the husbands.
Alpha as fuck.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7175|The United Center

Nyte wrote:

Ancient Greece was pretty much a communist nation.  They were pretty powerful too if I'm not mistaken.

That is until the war hungry Romans (and eventually Catholics) came and raped the women, killed the children, and executed the husbands.
"Pretty much" is not synonymous with "is".

Like I said, many countries have come close, but none have established true communism.  They've only reached forms of socialism.
Macca
Cylons' my kinda frak
+72|6873|Australia.

Jenspm wrote:

ehh, Communism will always suck... People are way to gready, selfish and competitive...
Just like Democracy. Free enterprise and all that shit. I'd rather be poor amongst poor people, than poor amongst wealthy people.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6989
Technically a true Marxist/Communist society is truly Democratic (that is, everyone votes on everything).  Just one of the reasons I feel it isn't feasible (and I've been involved in a 1 and a half hour argument on the topic).
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7081
why can't a communist country have democratic elections?
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kylef
Gone
+1,352|6921|N. Ireland
Autocracy > Communism
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7009|SE London

Nyte wrote:

Ancient Greece was pretty much a communist nation.  They were pretty powerful too if I'm not mistaken.

That is until the war hungry Romans (and eventually Catholics) came and raped the women, killed the children, and executed the husbands.
No it wasn't. Ancient Greece was a democracy.
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Moderator
+2,072|7200|PNW

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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina
All the communist countries in the past, were a lie.  Regular people lived ruled by Communism, but the political establishment lived like kings.  That's not Communism, that's poverty and corruption.  I prefer Democracy with all its failures.  Now, you don't have Communism anymore in China and Cuba is about to leave it sooner or later.  Communism works only in theory.

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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7072
capitalism and democracy are not always one and the same.
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7160|St. Andrews / Oslo

Communism can be Democratic....
Capitalism can be Democratic...
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konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6978|CH/BR - in UK

Democracy is only a part of a regime - just like communism is. There are no pure things in matter of government, because a population will never be of purely one idea.

-konfusion
JahManRed
wank
+646|7056|IRELAND

Communism will only work if worldwide. The lure of capitalism, consumerism and consumption is too strong.
Some day when we evolve as a race to see the greater good over self satisfaction, Communism will work. Thats along way away.
A healthy mix of Communism and capitalism is the way forward today. Socialism.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina
Communism sucks.

Capitalism sucks but is a necessary evil.

Socialism is probably the best, but it only works to a limited extent, and it is easily exploited.  Hence, most successful nations are a combination of capitalism and socialism.

The most successful nations in the world (in terms of overall quality of life for the average citizen) are usually small (less than 20 million people), highly competitive, highly skilled, highly socialized, highly taxed, and culturally homogeneous (for the most part).   This is why countries like Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and Ireland all rank very highly in things like the Human Life Development Index.

Countries larger than 20 million people usually have to lessen their taxes and social programs to remain competitive with the rest of the world.  They also tend to have more diverse populations in a cultural sense, so they spend more time politically in arguments over social policy.  Unfortunately, time spent on these socially divisive issues tend to cause lags in economic progress.

So personally, I think population size and cultural conflict have more to do with the success of a society than the economic/political status of a country.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6983
Eeeerrrm. Chinese government not corrupt? Any absolutist power is bound to be rife with corruption. China is about as far removed from Communism as any other country. Communism is an unattainable ideal.
link52787
Member
+29|6950
technically, communism is an economic system where the government takes control of everything for the good of the state. 

China for example has a dictatorship, where only a handful of people in the government control the state and uses communism as a form of economic.  Though they are loosening up the grip and allow some free enterprise.
[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi
Why walk when you can dance?
+77|7015|sWEEDen
Communism is a good idea...but sadly not realistic....also all the communistic regimes has been more or less dictatorships soo the idea in total has never been or will never be tested to it´s full values.

Turquoise, are you saying Sweden is such a "good" country because we don´t have enough sexy times (small population and all...)?
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7077
Yes, bla bla, we all know that communism will never work, its great in theory but has never worked.

Last edited by ..teddy..jimmy (2007-03-17 16:26:46)

Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|7121
In theory God exists.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6833|North Carolina

[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:

Turquoise, are you saying Sweden is such a "good" country because we don´t have enough sexy times (small population and all...)?
LOL...  Well, the fact that your country doesn't procreate too quickly is certainly a good way to minimize poverty.  I would assume there aren't many pregnant teens in Sweden.   Those few that are there are being cared for by social programs, I would assume.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6957|Global Command

Nyte wrote:

At least in theory.

To have a semi-successful democracy (ie. Western nations), there must exist 3rd world countries to depend on otherwise capitalism fails.

In communism, it works everywhere and all the time IF the government is not corrupt (ie. China).


Discuss.
You fale to demonstrate why capitalism fails.
[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi
Why walk when you can dance?
+77|7015|sWEEDen
Turquoise ....kinda right there...not too many atleast...at we doo have a good social welfare program here...but I´d like to say that´s also a big question of very high taxes....I pay 33% in taxes. Still we have homeless people and poor poeple...someone always falls outside of the system.

Also we doo use birthcontrol here (parts taken from inside old animals that died)    Sexy time ftw.

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