BF2S Forums Haditha Massacre Redux

ATG wrote:

Sounds acceptable to me.

And a question for the CameronPoe types:

Are not insurgents civilians?

I spose im a "poe type" fuck ive been stereo typed all my life and fitted into categories, but this is a new one. POE??

I know I sound like a cracked record. But I am one of the few on these boards who some members of my family have been classified as terrorists by the vicors of war. My grandfather kept guns in his attic for the IRA from 1955-65 who at the time were freedom fighters (a break away faction the PIRA later became terrorits) he was sumerry executed by firing squad without trial by the british army in front of his house (never made the news or papers, didnt happen), in front of my father, his son, and his 4 daughters. That was in the day when the IRA had the moral high ground. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

If I had a gun I´d go for it too,....or just wait for someone to "clear" us...... didn´t know this was your thread Gator...sorry my mistake...

JahManRed wrote:

ATG wrote:

Sounds acceptable to me.

And a question for the CameronPoe types:

Are not insurgents civilians?

I spose im a "poe type" fuck ive been stereo typed all my life and fitted into categories, but this is a new one. POE??

I know I sound like a cracked record. But I am one of the few on these boards who some members of my family have been classified as terrorists by the vicors of war. My grandfather kept guns in his attic for the IRA from 1955-65 who at the time were freedom fighters (a break away faction the PIRA later became terrorits) he was sumerry executed by firing squad without trial by the british army in front of his house (never made the news or papers, didnt happen), in front of my father, his son, and his 4 daughters. That was in the day when the IRA had the moral high ground. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

Thats terrible.
And you're exactly right. I'm supporting U.S. troops that many would view as terrorists.
This wasn't something like Abu Garhib. This was life and death.

SgtHeihn wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I didn't say military action should never be an option - just that it should be the last option.

Using statements like "If the diplomats want a war, they are going to get a war" shows that you're over-eager to go to war.

No, I've been to war, I've watched friends die. Before you make wise ass statments, read all my posts in a thread. I don't like war, but I did do 8yrs in the US Marines. I didn't choose to go to war someone way above my pay grade did

Ok, sorry, I probably should have said "makes it appear that you're over-eager to go to war."

And in a way you made my point for me - some suit in washington makes a decision and too many good men get sent to kill and be killed.

In my opinion, that suit better have tried every possible other avenue before taking that decision. Too many times, it seems to me, they haven't.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

War!!!!!....I got promoted today, somebody congratulate me

What rank?  Staff Sgt?

Bubbalo wrote:

Parker wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

What have I taken out of context?  Or are you just being your usual dimwitted self and saying things that you think make you sound smart?

everything you said.....that is your attempt at debating.
you take everything out of context and try to make yourself seem intelligent at the other persons expense, thats the style you use.
kids these days.......

He argued that until you have been in someone's position you cannot judge them, and I pointed out that on that basis we shouldn't have courts or police officers.  Any basis for argument must have some degree of universality, if it is too context specific it merely proves hypocrisy.

A police officers job is to uphold the law, not to interpret it. The court systems job is to equally enforce the sentence that is warranted by a crime comitted in accordance to the law that was previously established. Once again no interpretation, so where is a basis of comparison required for judgement? Your rebuttal fails.

From what I know of the Marine in question and from others that know the rest of the Marines, they are getting put out to dry by the US. They like the civilians that died are going to become Casualties of War, written off.

Politics+Media+War not run right= One fucked up 4yrs

* As dictated by the Rules of Engagement, a door was opened and a grenade was thrown into the room followed by automatic weapons fire, killing the 15 occupants, all afterwards found to be civilians.


I don't know about the authenticy in this fact, but if it's true they are standing trial on the right grounds. And by that i refer to the " followed by automatic weapons fire".
If they in fact did kill women and  children with automatic weapons fire inside the house, it's unforgivable.