Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida
How would you feel if a religious extremest got elected into a powerfull seat in the government, and made serious decisions based on there belief in god??

For me, being an athiest, that would piss me off beyong belief!.
How would you feel (whether your an athiest or a believer)?

edit:
For example, a politician bans condoms in your state because he feels that god doesn't want people to have sex unless its to make kids.

Last edited by Dezerteagal5 (2007-03-06 09:07:30)

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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6957|Global Command
Hmmn... seems like we already have that in Bush.
And he sucks btw.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

ATG wrote:

Hmmn... seems like we already have that in Bush.
And he sucks btw.
I disagree i dont see how you see that. He is a religious man, but so was Clinton, and a lot of other presidents.
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Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7164|Salt Lake City

It depends on how far they go.  Any politician with a religious belief bases their decisions with their religious beliefs in mind.  However, when they start crossing over the church/state separation then it becomes a problem.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

It depends on how far they go.  Any politician with a religious belief bases their decisions with their religious beliefs in mind.  However, when they start crossing over the church/state separation then it becomes a problem.
Yeah thats what im talking about, if they did cross the line between church and state how would it make you feel as a believer or an athiest.

I cant give a good example really... umm...

Okay how about, a politician bans condoms in your state because he feels that god doesn't want people to have sex unless its to make kids!

Last edited by Dezerteagal5 (2007-03-06 09:06:48)

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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6957|Global Command

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Hmmn... seems like we already have that in Bush.
And he sucks btw.
I disagree i dont see how you see that. He is a religious man, but so was Clinton, and a lot of other presidents.
Bush believes he has been selected by God to lead America into battle with Muslims.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6983

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

How would you feel if a religious extremest got elected into a powerfull seat in the government, and made serious decisions based on there belief in god??

For me, being an athiest, that would piss me off beyong belief!.
How would you feel (whether your an athiest or a believer)?

edit:
For example, a politician bans condoms in your state because he feels that god doesn't want people to have sex unless its to make kids.
I thought you came from the US, in which case you already live in a country with such a government.

G.W. Bush Quotes:

"Our priorities is our faith."

"I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president."

"Do I think faith will be an important part of being a good president? Yes, I do."

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

"The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them."

"This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."

"[I encourage] employers to permit their workers time off during the lunch hour to attend the noontime services to pray for our land."

"Through my Faith-Based and Community Initiative, my Administration continues to encourage the essential work of faith-based and community organizations. Governments can and should support effective social services, including those provided by religious people and organizations. When government gives that support, it is important that faith-based institutions not be forced to change their religious character."

"Catholic schools carry out a great mission, to serve God by building knowledge and character.... By teaching the word of God, you prepare your students to follow a path of virtue."

"Tyrants and dictators will accept no other gods before them. They require disobedience to the First Commandment. They seek absolute control and are threatened by faith in God. They fear only the power they cannot possess -- the power of truth. So they resent the living example of the devout, especially the devotion of a unique people chosen by God."

"I really appreciate leaders from around the globe who have come to share in prayer with us today. It reminds me that the Almighty God is a God to everybody, every person."

"My administration will be more supportive of the good works done here than any administration in the history of this country because I understand the power of faith, that faith can change lives."

"And this is my solemn pledge: I will work to build a single nation of justice and opportunity. I know this is in our reach because we are guided by a power larger than ourselves who creates us equal in His image."

"In every instance when my administration sees a responsibility to help people, we will look first to faith-based institutions, to charities and to community groups that have shown their ability to save and change lives."

"I believe God did create the world. And I think we're finding out more and more and more as to how it actually happened."

"After all, religion has been around a lot longer than Darwinism."

"When you turn your heart and your life over to Christ, when you accept Christ as the savior, it changes your heart."
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6891|meh-land

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

For example, a politician bans condoms in your state because he feels that god doesn't want people to have sex unless its to make kids.
a single politian does not have the power to do so, regardless of what position he has
to be honest i would rather have a politician who is religious, but who also makes decisions based on how to make America a better place, not on how to make it fit their ideals better
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7164|Salt Lake City

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

It depends on how far they go.  Any politician with a religious belief bases their decisions with their religious beliefs in mind.  However, when they start crossing over the church/state separation then it becomes a problem.
Yeah thats what im talking about, if they did cross the line between church and state how would it make you feel as a believer or an athiest.

I cant give a good example really... umm...

Okay how about, a politician bans condoms in your state because he feels that god doesn't want people to have sex unless its to make kids!
I certainly wouldn't agree with that.  However, our government has a set of checks and balances, so even if they did manage to get such a law passed, it could easily be overturned by the courts as unconstitutional.  Then you simply vote them out of office the next time elections come around.

Believe me, I know what you are talking about.  Look at where I'm from.  In this state there is only a very thin veil in the separation of church and state.  It isn't all that uncommon to have the church give their input on bills before it even gets out of committee, let alone to the floor for a vote, so if the church is opposed, the bill dies a very quick death.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7009|SE London

Fortunately in the UK there is quite a separation of church and state, something I am very grateful for. Tony Blair has received criticism for being too religious and is not allowed to say the sorts of things Bush says in national addresses. For example Blair wanted to say "God Bless" something or other in his speech when the invasion of Iraq began, he was not allowed to. He has also gotten in trouble for mentioning God in interviews.

I think that is an appropriate level of separation of church and state.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6921|Connecticut
Hey Cameron Poe,  why are you wearing ear muffs in your sig? I am perplexed yet tempted to mimic at the same time.
Malloy must go
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6953|South Florida

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Hey Cameron Poe,  why are you wearing ear muffs in your sig? I am perplexed yet tempted to mimic at the same time.
Its cause he doesn't listen, he just talks.
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ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7077

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Hey Cameron Poe,  why are you wearing ear muffs in your sig? I am perplexed yet tempted to mimic at the same time.
Its cause he doesn't listen, he just talks.
ICEBURN!

It's actually because he has horribly mutilated ears, that look somewhat like Jimmy Carr.

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Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|7075|Peoria
I personally feel it has been the goal of the conservative party since Nixon's election to bring about or at least accelerate the apocalypse.
weamo8
Member
+50|6871|USA

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

How would you feel if a religious extremest got elected into a powerfull seat in the government, and made serious decisions based on there belief in god??

For me, being an athiest, that would piss me off beyong belief!.
How would you feel (whether your an athiest or a believer)?

edit:
For example, a politician bans condoms in your state because he feels that god doesn't want people to have sex unless its to make kids.
Move to a different state.

People elect politicians.  At that point, that particular politician is supposed to do what they believe is "right."  Some base that on religious beliefs, others base it on personal opinion, or whatever.

Once a politician is elected, IMO, they shouldnt follow polls, or go door to door taking surveys.  I think they should make decisions based on what they think is best for those under their stewardship.

If you elected a religious kook, that is your problem, but you cant expect more from someone than them doing what they think is right.
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6891|meh-land

Elamdri wrote:

I personally feel it has been the goal of the conservative party since Nixon's election to bring about or at least accelerate the apocalypse.
and i personally feel that that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread whatsoever
weamo8
Member
+50|6871|USA

Bertster7 wrote:

Fortunately in the UK there is quite a separation of church and state, something I am very grateful for. Tony Blair has received criticism for being too religious and is not allowed to say the sorts of things Bush says in national addresses. For example Blair wanted to say "God Bless" something or other in his speech when the invasion of Iraq began, he was not allowed to. He has also gotten in trouble for mentioning God in interviews.

I think that is an appropriate level of separation of church and state.
Yeah.  No need for freedom of speech or freedom of religion.

You all should just go straight to communism.  I hear it works.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6873|The Land of Scott Walker

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

How would you feel if a religious extremest got elected into a powerfull seat in the government, and made serious decisions based on there belief in god??

For me, being an athiest, that would piss me off beyong belief!.
How would you feel (whether your an athiest or a believer)?

edit:
For example, a politician bans condoms in your state because he feels that god doesn't want people to have sex unless its to make kids.
Finally, an answer as to why my religious beliefs are so threatening to those who choose no religion.  +1 for being honest.

Edit: In a committed relationship condomless sex is in a word ... awesome.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-03-06 11:52:43)

..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7077

ATG wrote:

Hmmn... seems like we already have that in Bush.
And he sucks btw.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6970|Texas - Bigger than France

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Hmmn... seems like we already have that in Bush.
And he sucks btw.
I disagree i dont see how you see that. He is a religious man, but so was Clinton, and a lot of other presidents.
As in "Oh God.  Oh God.  Oh God Monica, yes!!!"

I voted 4 the guy BTW
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7009|SE London

weamo8 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Fortunately in the UK there is quite a separation of church and state, something I am very grateful for. Tony Blair has received criticism for being too religious and is not allowed to say the sorts of things Bush says in national addresses. For example Blair wanted to say "God Bless" something or other in his speech when the invasion of Iraq began, he was not allowed to. He has also gotten in trouble for mentioning God in interviews.

I think that is an appropriate level of separation of church and state.
Yeah.  No need for freedom of speech or freedom of religion.

You all should just go straight to communism.  I hear it works.
It's got nothing to do with freedom of speech. A head of state is very different from a citizen, who can say whatever they want. Heads of state can't say what they want, they have to be a mouthpiece for the nation they represent.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6983
@OP seriously.

It would make me livid if a person who was religiously driven was elected as my representative. I'd consider leaving the county/country. As soon as someone elses personal/spiritual beliefs start impinging on your life it's time to say 'enough is enough'.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7009|SE London

CameronPoe wrote:

@OP seriously.

It would make me livid if a person who was religiously driven was elected as my representative. I'd consider leaving the county/country. As soon as someone elses personal/spiritual beliefs start impinging on your life it's time to say 'enough is enough'.
Me too.

I can imagine there being protests in the UK if the government took an outwardly Christian stance - which is something I would probably join in with.

The government is there to represent the people, not just people of one religion.
weamo8
Member
+50|6871|USA

Bertster7 wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Fortunately in the UK there is quite a separation of church and state, something I am very grateful for. Tony Blair has received criticism for being too religious and is not allowed to say the sorts of things Bush says in national addresses. For example Blair wanted to say "God Bless" something or other in his speech when the invasion of Iraq began, he was not allowed to. He has also gotten in trouble for mentioning God in interviews.

I think that is an appropriate level of separation of church and state.
Yeah.  No need for freedom of speech or freedom of religion.

You all should just go straight to communism.  I hear it works.
It's got nothing to do with freedom of speech. A head of state is very different from a citizen, who can say whatever they want. Heads of state can't say what they want, they have to be a mouthpiece for the nation they represent.
Then it doesnt matter who you elect right?  They just follow polls or surveys or whatever.

Why do you even hold elections then?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6983

Bertster7 wrote:

Me too.

I can imagine there being protests in the UK if the government took an outwardly Christian stance - which is something I would probably join in with.

The government is there to represent the people, not just people of one religion.
It's interesting actually - I read an article at the weekend where Tony Blair's aides had to dissuade him from saying 'God bless you' in his address sending the troops to Iraq. As Alastair Campbell put it: 'We don't do God'.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-03-06 12:25:16)

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