BF2S Forums How to argue with a Conspiracy theorist.

javierwar wrote:

Please note that my emphasis is on current official theory.

Especially because they keep changing it .

Tiger

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

conspiracy theorist need to get beat up

So do people who just take everything for granted and don't give a shit...

Tiger

javierwar wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

conspiracy theorist need to get beat up

And this would proof what? Except the fact that you have to resort to physical violence to win a verbal argument.

What's wrong with that?  I could take that Loose Change kid easy.

TigerXtrm wrote:

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

javierwar wrote:

And this would proof what? Except the fact that you have to resort to physical violence to win a verbal argument.

What's wrong with that?  I could take that Loose Change kid easy.

How? By quoting some people who use such difficult terms in their articles that they MUST be right? Quoting people doesn't count... still think you can take him?

Tiger

You misunderstand.... again.

TigerXtrm wrote:

javierwar wrote:

Please note that my emphasis is on current official theory.

Especially because they keep changing it .

Tiger

Nothing against changing a theory. For that it is called a theory and not a fact or law.

Only problem is that the official report is for some reason not called a theory even though there is no conclusive proof that it is anything else then a theory. If they had conclusive proof, OBL or anyone else would have been already charged with this crime. But somehow if you look at his FBI page, 9/11 fails to come up in his list of crimes.

The matter of fact is that every single version of the events of 9/11 is currently a conspiracy theory, doesn't matter if you refer to the official or the other versions. All are based on people conspiring to commit a crime but neither version gives conclusive proof, which makes them a theory.

You use evidence WITH science to beat evidence AND science.

A lot of conspiracy supporters use some evidence and science to lead people in certain directions, rather than to actually prove something.

pffft of course the BBC forgot their own mistake which also caused a part of all those theories.

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid= … p;q=bbc+23

Kmarion wrote:

dirtsA wrote:

pffft of course the BBC forgot their own mistake which also caused a part of all those theories.

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid= … p;q=bbc+23

Enjoy.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2 … iracy.html

Did they really need even MORE people involved? What was the reason they absolutely needed to tell the reporters this? Why haven't any of the other reporters talked ? Are most reporters part of a mass murder scheme?

hey i didnt said i belive that. all i said is that they forgot this in their vid. there are many ppl that do belive that like the other ones.
all i meant is that they didnt show in this vid and that they also gave the theorist ppl something to discuss about.

jonsimon wrote:

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

javierwar wrote:

And this would proof what? Except the fact that you have to resort to physical violence to win a verbal argument.

What's wrong with that?  I could take that Loose Change kid easy.

Then he sues you, the jury rules in his favor, judge fines you, you pay his lawyers fees and do community service. Don't you love a judicial system that rewards intelligence? End result: He wins, you lose.

OR

You beat him so much you kill him, police track you down, jury rules in DA's favor, you live in prison for 25 years of your life/death sentence.

Let's not take a joke totally out of proportion now.  And I'd still have the satisfaction of handing that smartass his smart-ass.

If the government killed the thousands of citizens, why not kill dylan avery? One more wont hurt eh?
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net … 911_morons

Last edited by NeXuS4909 (2007-03-04 21:32:37)

NeXuS4909 wrote:

If the government killed the thousands of citizens, why not kill dylan avery? One more wont hurt eh?
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net … 911_morons

Are you condoning murder of your idealogical opponent on a public forum? Nice.

javierwar wrote:

NeXuS4909 wrote:

If the government killed the thousands of citizens, why not kill dylan avery? One more wont hurt eh?
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net … 911_morons

Are you condoning murder of your idealogical opponent on a public forum? Nice.

He is not condoning it, he is just pointing out the absurdity of having an exremely large amount of people involved in a conspiracy yet not being able to shut a kid and his camcorder up.


Those involved include...
-The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.

-The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...


Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the government’s next mass murder than come out and expose this.

-The courts for imposing a gag order [SEE above]

-The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...

-The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?

-All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer...

-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They won’t say anything.]

-The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either...

-The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.

-Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science … 27842.html

-PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

-Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications.

-NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.

-The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters.

-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’ work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer?

-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why? No clue...

-The CIA

-The FBI

-FEMA

-The American Society of  Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible.

-NORAD

-The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists never existed.

-The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.

-Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.

-American Airlines (Pentagon)

-United Airlines (Pentagon)

-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes

-Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology

-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)

-Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)

-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

-Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings

-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)

-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)

-People who detonated the buildings"

-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long.


But not Dylan Avery..Absurd...................