Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie
I found this set of videos on Youtube and have to share them with you guys to do my part to spread the word.

The western world needs to realize what we are fighting against.  Islamic extremists want to make the entire world an Islamic state.  People who oppose the war need to look at the big picture and realize that if we don't start fighting this fight in the Middle-east, it will most definately be on US soil.  Europeans need to watch these and listen to the words she says about Europe.  This is reality and we are living in it.

1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8fa9yKQeTY
2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gBTEwATwU
3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sL54rHPwqA
4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYyu4vsZ6Y
5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgqXYUs3h7Q
6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udib2U0_mPg
7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUmayTNRLg0

Last edited by Mr.Pieeater (2007-03-02 20:25:21)

usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6337|Columbus, Ohio
My favorite book.
BVC
Member
+325|6665
Only partway through part 2...damned scary stuff!
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie

Pubic wrote:

Only partway through part 2...damned scary stuff!
I know!  The next 50 years are going be a very interesting time.  I hope we can defeat their threat.
Surkill
Member
+6|6236
Dude, those videos were all propaganda. You should know that Iran never attacked any country for over 200 years. I think that all this is just exaggerated. I certainly think that ther is a problem of Muslim extremism, but war is not the way forward. Only justice can restore peace.
You know, one million Iranians held a candle light vigil in Tehran to support the US on September 12th, 2001. Iran did help the US by providing intelligence on Al Queda and in 2003, they did approach the US with an offer to improve relations. They did offer to recognize Israel and the two state solution, and to demilitarize Hizbollah and discourage violance against Israel. And still Nejad offered peace talks witht eh US when Iran oil ministry offered one billion barrels of oil after Katrina.
And what did the Bush administration do? Demonize, humiliate and refuse Iran's proposals. What a shame. Bush has no leadership.

You can go to the following site, where is posts an article from a pro Israel group that encourages dialouge.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=13216
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6433|meh-land
its not like iran has been talking about how they want to build nukes and wipe israel off the map.  Thats all Conservative war propoganda being spread by the hate filled war mongering USA

I don't think so...
PureFodder
Member
+225|6255
Communists want everyone to be communist, Christians want everyone else to be Christian, [Insert random group here] want everone to be [insert random group here] and if you talk to the extremist nutters, shock horror, they'll sound like extremist nutters on the subject. Islam has been around for quite a while and has been full of the same messages being preached by a tiny minority of nutters. If they were actually going to turn the entire world to Islam it would have happened several centuries ago. Amazingly this never happened and won't happen.

STOP LISTENING TO THE MINORITY OF CRAZY PEOPLE AND CRAPPY MEDIA THAT FOCUSES ONLY ON THE CRAZY MINORITY. The overwhelming majority of Muslims coundn't give the slightest shit about you or your insignificant lives on the other side of the planet.
pebblebash
Banned
+9|6247

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

I found this set of videos on Youtube and have to share them with you guys to do my part to spread the word.

The western world needs to realize what we are fighting against.  Islamic extremists want to make the entire world an Islamic state.  People who oppose the war need to look at the big picture and realize that if we don't start fighting this fight in the Middle-east, it will most definately be on US soil.  Europeans need to watch these and listen to the words she says about Europe.  This is reality and we are living in it.

1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8fa9yKQeTY
2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gBTEwATwU
3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sL54rHPwqA
4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYyu4vsZ6Y
5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgqXYUs3h7Q
6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udib2U0_mPg
7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUmayTNRLg0
you sir, are a jackass.
Pernicious544
Zee Tank Skank
+80|6670|MoVal So-Cal

Surkill wrote:

Dude, those videos were all propaganda. You should know that Iran never attacked any country for over 200 years. I think that all this is just exaggerated. I certainly think that ther is a problem of Muslim extremism, but war is not the way forward. Only justice can restore peace.
You know, one million Iranians held a candle light vigil in Tehran to support the US on September 12th, 2001. Iran did help the US by providing intelligence on Al Queda and in 2003, they did approach the US with an offer to improve relations. They did offer to recognize Israel and the two state solution, and to demilitarize Hizbollah and discourage violance against Israel. And still Nejad offered peace talks witht eh US when Iran oil ministry offered one billion barrels of oil after Katrina.
And what did the Bush administration do? Demonize, humiliate and refuse Iran's proposals. What a shame. Bush has no leadership.

You can go to the following site, where is posts an article from a pro Israel group that encourages dialouge.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review … e_ID=13216
Everything you say IS true, the Iranians showed condolence on the 12th of September 2001 and they were the ones attacked by Saddam. Iran is a country that has tried its best to show the American people that it is a caring and helpful country. Sad bush has made them pissed/look bad.


Also, the general Muslim population (i.e. nearly all of em) are NOT religious extremists. The extremists are the minority and are portrayed as the majority in all of our news. They are to the Muslim religion as the Christian extremists (seen here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 6332081185  ) are to Christianity.


+1
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6645|Canberra, AUS
OH NOES MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALLL

Yawn.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6337|Columbus, Ohio

Spark wrote:

OH NOES MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALLL

Yawn.
zomg Americans are going to take over the world.


yawn
colonel_locke
Member
+2|6251

Surkill wrote:

Bush has no leadership.
I think that, sadly, that statement could be applied to about 95% of politicians.  Elections aren't based on anything other than who spends the most money to make themselves look good;  if they were, there'd be more than two major parties.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie

Surkill wrote:

Dude, those videos were all propaganda. You should know that Iran never attacked any country for over 200 years. I think that all this is just exaggerated. I certainly think that ther is a problem of Muslim extremism, but war is not the way forward. Only justice can restore peace.
You know, one million Iranians held a candle light vigil in Tehran to support the US on September 12th, 2001. Iran did help the US by providing intelligence on Al Queda and in 2003, they did approach the US with an offer to improve relations. They did offer to recognize Israel and the two state solution, and to demilitarize Hizbollah and discourage violance against Israel. And still Nejad offered peace talks witht eh US when Iran oil ministry offered one billion barrels of oil after Katrina.
And what did the Bush administration do? Demonize, humiliate and refuse Iran's proposals. What a shame. Bush has no leadership.

You can go to the following site, where is posts an article from a pro Israel group that encourages dialouge.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review … e_ID=13216
If these videos about a TRUE story are propaganda, then what do you think isn't propaganda?  Where are you getting your TRUE news from?

How do you bring "justice" to restore peace?  Sanctions?  Peace-talks?  Tried that, it doesn't work with these people.  If you can't figure that out, then when the Muslim extremists attack, you need to come back to this post and kiss my ass in front of everyone.  Sometimes war is the only way to get through to people, do you think a murder would give a shit about talking about his crime?  No, he gives a shit about being executed though, doesn't he? 

The Iranians may have held a candle-light vigil on September 12th, but was Ahmadinejad with them?  He is the one running the country, and trust me, he has the control of that country.  The United States is a democracy and you can see how much all of the anti-war people are affecting the war.  They are doing a troop escalation now, the anti-war really made a difference, didn't they?  And I support the war fully, just to let people know.

You SHOW me proof that Iran was supporting peace between Isreal and Hizbollah...  And I mean from a credible source.  Are we talking about the same Iran who wants to wipe Isreal of the face of the earth?  Or is there another Iran?  I'm a bit confused.  Did you even watch the entire set of videos?  You must be able to read Arabic and have studied up on Muslim teachings, in order for you to claim the things you are claiming.  Because the woman in the videos knows a lot about it.  She almost died because of it.  You must be a Muslim expert...

ONCE AGAIN, SHOW ME PROOF that the Iranians offered one billion barrels of oil and that Bush rejected them.  Show me, go ahead, I'll be waiting...  Also, Iran just wouldn't give one billion barrels of oil, they probably wanted something in return from the US, like a reactor or something.  Assuming what you say is true.

I'm waiting for your credible source.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie

pebblebash wrote:

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

I found this set of videos on Youtube and have to share them with you guys to do my part to spread the word.

The western world needs to realize what we are fighting against.  Islamic extremists want to make the entire world an Islamic state.  People who oppose the war need to look at the big picture and realize that if we don't start fighting this fight in the Middle-east, it will most definately be on US soil.  Europeans need to watch these and listen to the words she says about Europe.  This is reality and we are living in it.

1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8fa9yKQeTY
2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gBTEwATwU
3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sL54rHPwqA
4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYyu4vsZ6Y
5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgqXYUs3h7Q
6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udib2U0_mPg
7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUmayTNRLg0
you sir, are a jackass.
Your ignorance could entertain a 2 year old, but not anyone with intelligence.  And no I am not a donkey.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie

Spark wrote:

OH NOES MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALLL

Yawn.
Just be glad that Australia isn't important enough for the Muslim terrorists to attack.  Now go put a shrimp on the Bar-b and stfu.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6489|Πάϊ

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

The western world needs to realize what we are fighting against.  Islamic extremists want to make the entire world an Islamic state.
Yay! Turbans for everyone!
ƒ³
Fen321
Member
+54|6468|Singularity
So...Mr.Pieeater...are you trying to imply that Iran is the leading cause of terrorism in the world?

And you do know that all arguments with regards to Iran aiding Lebanon (Hezbollah) can be easily countered by US aiding Israel to invade Lebanon.....see how none of this works out, how neither side is "right." Politics isn't "right" or "wrong" its just that politics.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6598|IRELAND

PureFodder wrote:

Communists want everyone to be communist, Christians want everyone else to be Christian, [Insert random group here] want everone to be [insert random group here] and if you talk to the extremist nutters, shock horror, they'll sound like extremist nutters on the subject. Islam has been around for quite a while and has been full of the same messages being preached by a tiny minority of nutters. If they were actually going to turn the entire world to Islam it would have happened several centuries ago. Amazingly this never happened and won't happen.

STOP LISTENING TO THE MINORITY OF CRAZY PEOPLE AND CRAPPY MEDIA THAT FOCUSES ONLY ON THE CRAZY MINORITY. The overwhelming majority of Muslims coundn't give the slightest shit about you or your insignificant lives on the other side of the planet.
QFE
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie

Fen321 wrote:

So...Mr.Pieeater...are you trying to imply that Iran is the leading cause of terrorism in the world?

And you do know that all arguments with regards to Iran aiding Lebanon (Hezbollah) can be easily countered by US aiding Israel to invade Lebanon.....see how none of this works out, how neither side is "right." Politics isn't "right" or "wrong" its just that politics.
Iran isn't the leading cause, but where do you think terrorist groups are getting their guns from??  Countries like Iran, Syria and others that have the same plans.

So let me get this straight...  You think the US helping Israel fight against the Muslims in Lebanon is the same as Iran aiding the Muslims in Lebanon??

Did you even watch the videos?  Watch the videos and hear about a woman who ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED that conflict and then come back to me with an arguement against the facts that she states.  You obviously don't know about that very well.  Israel and US were on the good side in that conflict.  Watch the videos and you will hear that.  If you think killing innocent people because they are Christian is okay and you think that is "right", then you need a dose of reality in your life.  Christians can live right next to Muslism with no problem, but only in a Christian dominated society, Muslims tend to react differently when they are the majority. 

Watch the videos and you will see.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie

oug wrote:

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

The western world needs to realize what we are fighting against.  Islamic extremists want to make the entire world an Islamic state.
Yay! Turbans for everyone!
Haha, you act excited like you want to wear one.  You mom should have spanked you more when you were a kid.  Assuming you're not a kid now, in that case go to your room, son.
buLLet_t00th
Mr. Boombastic
+178|6412|Stealth City, UK
What we need is a United States of Europe and America led by Margaret Thatcher......now how fucking scary would that be to the extremist Muslims?

Last edited by buLLet_t00th (2007-03-03 11:52:09)

herrr_smity
Member
+156|6598|space command ur anus
the Muslims better not bring down the wrath of Europe cause you all know what happens when Europeans gets feed up withe leeches
Fen321
Member
+54|6468|Singularity
Alright, once again you said "Good side of the conflict." There is  NO GOOD SIDE, we do not live in ideological contexts when explaining situations in the ME. Was it GOOD for Israel to bomb the majority of southern Lebanon with Cluster bombs, especially when this portion of land is arable IE good for farming?

You do realize that countries within the Middle East (some) view Israel liken to a terrorist organization, but with a lot more firepower hence they can't really fuck with them.

All i can say is that the women is presenting the situation as she sees it and i do not have to generalize out of this one women's experience and now place myself in some sort of position where i fear the influx of Muslims anywhere. Look at the purpose of your post its not to edify me of the horrors of the plight of those in Lebanon its a pathetic attempt at fear mongering -- "The western world needs to realize what we are fighting against." Come on now how can you say this -- we don't live in isolation meaning things are going to start happening to us because they just decide last week to hate us.

I suggest you look into the more deeply into some of the reasons these people "hate." And if you can derive one point as to why they hate that isn't tied to "radical Islam" then you sir have no idea what you are talking about.
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IE Radical Islam = Political tool just a hint.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie

herrr_smity wrote:

the Muslims better not bring down the wrath of Europe cause you all know what happens when Europeans gets feed up withe leeches
It would be nice if Europe got involved in fighting against them.  Someday you might have to.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6594|Cherry Pie

Fen321 wrote:

Alright, once again you said "Good side of the conflict." There is  NO GOOD SIDE, we do not live in ideological contexts when explaining situations in the ME. Was it GOOD for Israel to bomb the majority of southern Lebanon with Cluster bombs, especially when this portion of land is arable IE good for farming?

You do realize that countries within the Middle East (some) view Israel liken to a terrorist organization, but with a lot more firepower hence they can't really fuck with them.

All i can say is that the women is presenting the situation as she sees it and i do not have to generalize out of this one women's experience and now place myself in some sort of position where i fear the influx of Muslims anywhere. Look at the purpose of your post its not to edify me of the horrors of the plight of those in Lebanon its a pathetic attempt at fear mongering -- "The western world needs to realize what we are fighting against." Come on now how can you say this -- we don't live in isolation meaning things are going to start happening to us because they just decide last week to hate us.

I suggest you look into the more deeply into some of the reasons these people "hate." And if you can derive one point as to why they hate that isn't tied to "radical Islam" then you sir have no idea what you are talking about.
**************************************
IE Radical Islam = Political tool just a hint.
Once again, if you think Muslims killing innocent Christians in Lebanon is okay, then you can't be helped.  I respect your opinion and your points though.  Nothing this woman says in this video is fake, it is a true story and is meant to communicate to people the type of enemy we are facing. 

I personally trust a person who has experienced something more than I trust a person who is on a forum on the internet.  You could come back at me and say, "Then why should we trust you?", but I am backing up my opinion with this womans experience.  If you can find a video of a person who experienced things from the Muslim side that justifies their actions, then I would love to see it.

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