ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command
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A few months ago I worked on a high school in Bell, which borders Cudahy. I took video of the student population while on break and had considered creating a thread about what I saw.

I didn't for two reasons; the obvious violation of policy and privacy and the fact that I saw no way to frame to the thread in a way that would not get me branded instantly as racist.
Now that the issue is finally making mainstream news it seems worth debating.

First, let's talk about my source for the Cudahy story; The L.A. Weekly. It's known as a borderline radical leftist puplication. I read the sister rag the O.C. Weekly, and let me tell you the Bush hate there makes this forum seems like a Whitehouse lovefest.
I am usually somewhat bemused when people dismiss a link because its from FOX or WND without even bothering to read it. Thats shortsighted. You know one reason why I have liberal, and conservative views? Because I'm open minded and well read.

Now, lets see if you can refute what I'm saying without name calling.
http://www.laweekly.com/general/feature … got/15731/  ( source )
"Cudahy resembles a Mexican border town more than it does a Los Angeles suburb. Entrenched gangs and Mexican drug trafficking have trapped working-class legal and illegal immigrants in a cycle of violence and fear, in a city where less than a quarter of the 28,000 residents are eligible to vote. An uneducated city council, a deeply troubled police force imported from Maywood two towns over, and the raw power of the 18th Street Gang — a complex criminal organization with a knack for setting up business fronts and obscuring underground drug activity — make Cudahy residents seem like hostages in their own city.
"

The high school I worked on is the 8th largest high school in the nation. I'm not linking to demographic data because it seems prudent not to mention the name of the school, but the gist of it is the the population is 90% hispanic, 40% of them being illegal aliens, 30% the legal children of illegal aliens and the rest natural born citizens.

The ways illegal immigration effects me directly is ( among other things );

1) Remember the " Day without a Immigrant Day " a few months back?
I remember it as the day with 30% of normal traffic. The civic planners did not account for tens of millions of peoples pouring unplanned across the border.
2) Remember when a good house painter could make 50k per year? ( many of you won't, but it was only 15 years ago )
That era is officially over. All of the trade skills have been devalued by desperate people coming across the border looking for work. Sure, they may come to pick crops, but the only do it for one season, next season they paint or flip burgers. Its still hard work, but the pay is better than picking crops at half of what it payed a citizen a few years back.
3) Taggers
Once they start to defile an area with their childish scribbles, the area is gone and you can't get it back.

Last edited by ATG (2007-02-28 21:55:40)

deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6783|Connecticut
wow...

Ya know, I live in the northeast so its hard to really think about this constantly. Out of sight out of mind you know? But, we have a serious border problem. I have no problem with Hispanics but this is getting friggin nutz.
Malloy must go
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command
I live 93 miles from Tijuanna.
Bell is ten minutes from downtown L.A. It's a city of about 200000 people, like Cudahy. L.A. is one big city of about 40 smaller cities and 25 million people going from Santa Barbara all the way to San Diego and inland 100 miles with hardly a open field.


Our government has failed us in a profound manner.
It should go without saying; if we can't secure our own borders we have no business meddling with others.


The social security system is a complete house of cards.

Call me what you want, I have illegal aliens working for me. They are issued a PIN number instead of a social security number. People in Los Angeles simply cannot function as a busines without illegal aliens. Its just how the system works and it blows. They drive my trucks with no drivers license. The guys who work for the city of Los Angeles trimming the tree's on mayor Viaragossas house are fucking illegal aliens!!!
His address is 649 Lorraine street, 92005 in Hancock Park. .

    I would be willing to give anything for a feeling of national security. It starts here, at our border not in the Middle East.

God help us.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6677

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Ya know, I live in the northeast so its hard to really think about this constantly. Out of sight out of mind you know? But, we have a serious border problem. I have no problem with Hispanics but this is getting friggin nutz.
Where I live there is one, I live by a rather shitty town, population about 100,000 or so. Anyways there's a few Hispanics(center city is approx. 80% Hispanic and Puerto Rican, about 40% Illegals, about 90% of inner city ((of all races)) is on welfare.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina
North Carolina has one of the largest illegal immigrant populations in the country (4th I believe - behind California, Texas, and Arizona).  Practically all of our DOT workers are Hispanic -- how many of them are illegal is unknown, but it's probably a significant %.  My city (Greensboro) was recently the scene of a major illegal labor bust at TIMCO (an airplane company) where around a thousand or so illegals were apprehended, and the management was prosecuted for breaking federal labor laws.

Given my local experiences with this topic, it would seem one of the angles that is often overlooked is how our people should be better educated.

The average American shouldn't have to compete with illegals for work.  Most jobs taken by illegals are unskilled or low-skill.  What we need to do is better educate our labor force and future labor force (students), so that they can find better jobs that are less likely to be filled by illegals.

If we spent $400 billion on public education instead of war, we'd have better school systems throughout much of America.  We'd also need to focus less on scholastic studies and more on vocational ones.  Most people simply aren't cut out for the academic route, so we need to give them better preparation for highly skilled blue collar work like the various repair industries out there.  There is plenty of demand for electrical or mechanical engineering.

If we can provide a system where most people exiting our schools have the skills necessary for these good paying jobs, then illegals can continue to do our less desirable work without as many consequences.  There simply is no good reason why the average American should have to flip burgers for a living.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

I live 93 miles from Tijuanna.
Bell is ten minutes from downtown L.A. It's a city of about 200000 people, like Cudahy. L.A. is one big city of about 40 smaller cities and 25 million people going from Santa Barbara all the way to San Diego and inland 100 miles with hardly a open field.


Our government has failed us in a profound manner.
It should go without saying; if we can't secure our own borders we have no business meddling with others.


The social security system is a complete house of cards.

Call me what you want, I have illegal aliens working for me. They are issued a PIN number instead of a social security number. People in Los Angeles simply cannot function as a busines without illegal aliens. Its just how the system works and it blows. They drive my trucks with no drivers license. The guys who work for the city of Los Angeles trimming the tree's on mayor Viaragossas house are fucking illegal aliens!!!
His address is 649 Lorraine street, 92005 in Hancock Park. .

    I would be willing to give anything for a feeling of national security. It starts here, at our border not in the Middle East.

God help us.
Indeed...  Social Security is bullshit.  I wish we'd just end it, but instead, I'm paying into a system I'll never see the benefits of....
Fen321
Member
+54|6787|Singularity
If 80% is Hispanic "and" Puerto Rican then the 40% that are illegal doesn't add up with the figure you gave before it. That would mean you have a 120% total..... the most you could have as illegal would be 20% meaning the percentage that isn't Puerto Rican.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command

Fen321 wrote:

If 80% is Hispanic "and" Puerto Rican then the 40% that are illegal doesn't add up with the figure you gave before it. That would mean you have a 120% total..... the most you could have as illegal would be 20% meaning the percentage that isn't Puerto Rican.
WTF are you talking about?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6980|Tampa Bay Florida
It's kind of like illegally downloaded music.  It's illegal, but how the hell are you going to stop people from doing it?

The only real way to tackle the issue is to go after the people who hire them (no offense ATG), but as you said it's hard to function as a business without them, because competition will always be at an advantage (if I understand the situation correctly).

ATG, how do you think the problem can be resolved?  If we pull out of Iraq, it's starting to sound like a good idea to station those 100,000 plus troops along the US-Mexico border.
Ender2309
has joined the GOP
+470|6861|USA

ATG wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

If 80% is Hispanic "and" Puerto Rican then the 40% that are illegal doesn't add up with the figure you gave before it. That would mean you have a 120% total..... the most you could have as illegal would be 20% meaning the percentage that isn't Puerto Rican.
WTF are you talking about?
he's an idiot that doesn't understand the basic concept of a percent of a percent.
13rin
Member
+977|6769

ATG wrote:

I live 93 miles from Tijuanna.
Bell is ten minutes from downtown L.A. It's a city of about 200000 people, like Cudahy. L.A. is one big city of about 40 smaller cities and 25 million people going from Santa Barbara all the way to San Diego and inland 100 miles with hardly a open field.


Our government has failed us in a profound manner.
It should go without saying; if we can't secure our own borders we have no business meddling with others.


The social security system is a complete house of cards.

Call me what you want, I have illegal aliens working for me. They are issued a PIN number instead of a social security number. People in Los Angeles simply cannot function as a busines without illegal aliens. Its just how the system works and it blows. They drive my trucks with no drivers license. The guys who work for the city of Los Angeles trimming the tree's on mayor Viaragossas house are fucking illegal aliens!!!
His address is 649 Lorraine street, 92005 in Hancock Park. .

    I would be willing to give anything for a feeling of national security. It starts here, at our border not in the Middle East.

God help us.
Your are right ATG- it does start here.  You rock man, but I think you're part of the problem.  If people (you)didn't hire these illegals and instead called INS or the DHS, then there wouldn't be a reason for them to come to the US.  Those Men and Women from Mexico don't mind working hard for a few dollars less than an American.  Why?  Because that dollar goes a lot further south of the border.  But if they knew that they couldn't find gainful employment here in the US then.....
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6780|Menlo Park, CA
I live in Northern California (Menlo Park to be exact), but I grew up in Redwood City aka "mini Mihuacan".  The border situation in California is unreal, actually its rediculous!!

I drive to work everyday past 5th Ave and El Camino, and there are 100 + mexicans on the street waiting for work. . . Cause all the shit jobs have been taken!!! Even they cant find work!! They have to wait for some contractor to pick em' up!!

When I was in jail for my 3rd DUI, everybody in jail was mexican. . .EVERYONE!! San Mateo County jail is full of illegal gang banging criminal mexicans, and we just allow them to continue to commit crimes and live amongst us. . .I litterally was the only white dude in the place, outside of the guards. . .Granted, I was arrested for my 3rd DUI, but I am not out robbing or shooting my fellow citizens, or slangin' drugs. . . Everybody I talked with, and the guy I was in their with did one of those 3 things I mentioned above!

Its a problem that has gone unchecked because our state legislature is all democrats. . . period! Arnold is a fucking Austrian asshole running around claiming he is a Republican (which he isnt btw)!! Not doing ANYTHING to curb the civ that is our border!!

They are filling our schools with children who cant speak english, filling our hospitals with people sick/hurt/having babies, and the taxpayers are basically giving them free health care.  They are declaring false statements on their tax returns to get the max amount of money back to send back home to Mexico!! Essentially cheating the federal government/state government of proper money collected!Not too mention they could give one rats shit about America and her values!! They care more for Mexico, yet its the Mexican government thats splitting their families and providing shitty living and work arrangements! Its absolutely beyond me. . . .

Its a terrible problem, thats completely out of hand. . .and frankly I see no end to it anytime soon!!! Any politician that stands up to the ACLU or any latin minority group is labeled a racist, its fucking insane! This illegal immigration problem is causing chaos in our hospitals/schools/legal system. . . we have no one willing to stand up and take care of business on both sides of the aisle!!!!

I mean what can you do?? You cant deport 13 million people. . . . what they can do is stop the current and future surge of illegals, and maybe we can start documenting the current populace we have now!! Not too mention immidiately deport mexican criminals who arent charged with murder.  There are any number of things we could be doing, but this state is so worried about hurting someones feelings!!!

The only thing we ARE doing is hurting our own fucking citizens/country/security. . .

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-02-28 22:04:30)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command

Turquoise wrote:

North Carolina has one of the largest illegal immigrant populations in the country (4th I believe - behind California, Texas, and Arizona).  Practically all of our DOT workers are Hispanic -- how many of them are illegal is unknown, but it's probably a significant %. My city (Greensboro) was recently the scene of a major illegal labor bust at TIMCO (an airplane company) where around a thousand or so illegals were apprehended, and the management was prosecuted for breaking federal labor laws.

Given my local experiences with this topic, it would seem one of the angles that is often overlooked is how our people should be better educated.

The average American shouldn't have to compete with illegals for work.  Most jobs taken by illegals are unskilled or low-skill.  What we need to do is better educate our labor force and future labor force (students), so that they can find better jobs that are less likely to be filled by illegals.

If we spent $400 billion on public education instead of war, we'd have better school systems throughout much of America.  We'd also need to focus less on scholastic studies and more on vocational ones.  Most people simply aren't cut out for the academic route, so we need to give them better preparation for highly skilled blue collar work like the various repair industries out there.  There is plenty of demand for electrical or mechanical engineering.

If we can provide a system where most people exiting our schools have the skills necessary for these good paying jobs, then illegals can continue to do our less desirable work without as many consequences.  There simply is no good reason why the average American should have to flip burgers for a living.
Where to begin...
" Practically all of our DOT workers are Hispanic -- how many of them are illegal is unknown, but it's probably a significant %.    Okay, DOT is a government entity. You, using common sense have deduced that the federal government itself has hired illegal aliens. Congrats, you begin to smell smoke.

"
The average American shouldn't have to compete with illegals for work."

If they are here you have to compete with them. Like I said Julio comes to pick strawberries, realizes hanging drywall payes more in the cities, moves onto more advanced services as he learns the language eventually starts his own business.

Would you like a goddamned example!?!

">How seamless raingutters are made.
https://i12.tinypic.com/44km7gg.jpg

This is the kind of work a gringo has to do to survive;
https://i7.tinypic.com/47az77b.jpg

The rest of your post is somewhat contradictory.
Not everyone is going to do well in college. Flipping burgers is a vocation.




Spearhead wrote:

It's kind of like illegally downloaded music.  It's illegal, but how the hell are you going to stop people from doing it?

The only real way to tackle the issue is to go after the people who hire them (no offense ATG), but as you said it's hard to function as a business without them, because competition will always be at an advantage (if I understand the situation correctly).

ATG, how do you think the problem can be resolved?  If we pull out of Iraq, it's starting to sound like a good idea to station those 100,000 plus troops along the US-Mexico border.
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Please tell me why her Daddy should be in jail?
If you live in the O.C. and would like a job, please pm me, otherwise, your solution is unrealistic.


DBBrinson1 wrote:

ATG wrote:

I live 93 miles from Tijuanna.
Bell is ten minutes from downtown L.A. It's a city of about 200000 people, like Cudahy. L.A. is one big city of about 40 smaller cities and 25 million people going from Santa Barbara all the way to San Diego and inland 100 miles with hardly a open field.


Our government has failed us in a profound manner.
It should go without saying; if we can't secure our own borders we have no business meddling with others.


The social security system is a complete house of cards.

Call me what you want, I have illegal aliens working for me. They are issued a PIN number instead of a social security number. People in Los Angeles simply cannot function as a busines without illegal aliens. Its just how the system works and it blows. They drive my trucks with no drivers license. The guys who work for the city of Los Angeles trimming the tree's on mayor Viaragossas house are fucking illegal aliens!!!
His address is 649 Lorraine street, 92005 in Hancock Park. .

    I would be willing to give anything for a feeling of national security. It starts here, at our border not in the Middle East.

God help us.
Your are right ATG- it does start here.  You rock man, but I think you're part of the problem.  If people (you)didn't hire these illegals and instead called INS or the DHS, then there wouldn't be a reason for them to come to the US.  Those Men and Women from Mexico don't mind working hard for a few dollars less than an American.  Why?  Because that dollar goes a lot further south of the border.  But if they knew that they couldn't find gainful employment here in the US then.....
Again, why should I be punished for the failure of the U.S. government to do its job?
It's like standing in a anthill wishing you had fleas.


ps, my daughter is 25% Mexican. Call me a racist and I'll fucking kill you.

Last edited by ATG (2007-02-28 22:32:59)

fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6780|Menlo Park, CA
Fuck, I dont blame the Mexicans, they are just trying to make a better life for themselves. . .

The Mexicans that I work with are funny, hard working, and overall nice men/women (not all that sophisticated as they are poorer and less educated)! but not bad people!!!

I blame the governments of the United States for not putting enough funding for our border agents and law enforcement to stop the flow!! I also blame Mexico for turning a blind eye, and essentially outsourcing their bad economy and poor people on us because their government heads are corrupt and ineffective!!

I dont blame the average guy just trying to make a buck for his family, if you or I were in that situation we would be doing the same thing!

But the bottom line is this (illegal immigration) has become a major problem for everyone, and something needs to be done!
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command
Like Marconius said once, I'm not that militant yet...


This is THE issue.


If they don't do something I will begin advocating that people vote with high exposives.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6780|Menlo Park, CA

ATG wrote:

Like Marconius said once, I'm not that militant yet...


This is THE issue.


If they don't do something I will begin advocating that people vote with high exposives.
No shit, its about time Congress/our own state legislatures realize that their jobs CAN BE TERMINATED if they are failing and the citizens want SERIOUS change. . .

I am ready for some SERIOUS change if you know what I mean!! I am just sick and tired of the lack of "representation" going on in America today. . .is just insulting to my intelligence the way these people speak and operate
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|6876|Sweden
I have the perfect solution for you americans.

Why not embrace Mexico as one of your states? By doing so the mexicans people wouldn't need to go to america for work since they already are americans! Plus, they will start paying taxes aswell.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6780|Menlo Park, CA

klassekock wrote:

I have the perfect solution for you americans.

Why not embrace Mexico as one of your states? By doing so the mexicans people wouldn't need to go to america for work since they already are americans! Plus, they will start paying taxes aswell.
That will go over as well as a fart in a crowded church. . . .
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6937|Peoria
How about this.

New law.

Lifetime in prison if your caught employing a illegal immigrant, Amnesty and citizenship given to any illegal immigrant who turns in an employer.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6780|Menlo Park, CA

Elamdri wrote:

How about this.

New law.

Lifetime in prison if your caught employing a illegal immigrant, Amnesty and citizenship given to any illegal immigrant who turns in an employer.
Sounds like justice and a good idea!. . . . .*crickets chirping/tumble weed blows by*








dont think so. . . .
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command

Elamdri wrote:

How about this.

New law.

Lifetime in prison if your caught employing a illegal immigrant, Amnesty and citizenship given to any illegal immigrant who turns in an employer.
Whereas the federal government has failed to do its job I hereby declare my willingness to fight to protect my freedoms.
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Last edited by ATG (2007-02-28 23:12:48)

klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|6876|Sweden
On a more serious note we have a similar problem in Europe. It's common for people from less developed countries to go working illegal in other countries. The European Nations are at the moment trying to find a solution to even out the salaries in Europe to prevent this problem. For example, in sweden we have many people from the former soviet union states doing illegal work here. I see it frequently since i work as a construction painter.

I feel with you yanks. I hope you find a solution to your problem.
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6937|Peoria
Seriously, if you want the problem to stop, you have to take down 2 factors

1. Making an example of those who would employ illegal aliens. Scare people into not doing it.

2. Offer a reward to the illegals that would make then turn in their bosses.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6891|132 and Bush

fadedsteve wrote:

Fuck, I dont blame the Mexicans, they are just trying to make a better life for themselves. . .

The Mexicans that I work with are funny, hard working, and overall nice men/women (not all that sophisticated as they are poorer and less educated)! but not bad people!!!

I blame the governments of the United States for not putting enough funding for our border agents and law enforcement to stop the flow!! I also blame Mexico for turning a blind eye, and essentially outsourcing their bad economy and poor people on us because their government heads are corrupt and ineffective!!

I dont blame the average guy just trying to make a buck for his family, if you or I were in that situation we would be doing the same thing!

But the bottom line is this (illegal immigration) has become a major problem for everyone, and something needs to be done!
No one is blaming legal immigration. I can't understand why people can't get a grasp on the idea that if you shut down the illegal problem you can open the door for more legal immigrants. This country allows more immigrants in legally than any other in the world. Do it the right way. Some of our finest citizens came here legally.


Chicago
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Philly
https://i15.tinypic.com/4hx91nc.jpg

California
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Vegas
https://i17.tinypic.com/2hr1q0w.jpg

The "lets sneak into a country and have a protest" idea is a joke.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-28 23:34:46)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6819|Global Command
Those pictures make me want to vomit.

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