BF2S Forums One missing army...

dshak wrote:

anyone else kind of upset that they didn't add the IDF? I mean common, in my most humble of opinions there are really three special forces units in the world that are an absolute MUST for a game called SPECIAL FORCES, the SEALS, the Spetz (though not sure if they are still really as strong as they once were), and the Israeli Defense Force special commandos. I mean seriously, the IDF special forces might even be the the best in the world at this point.

I could see MAYBE they would have left them out for political purposes, though I hardly see how having IDF vs MEC would be any less controversial than US vs MEC (not that I think EITHER is controversial in a VIDEO GAME, but I digress)

They also would have brought a whole host of new and interesting weapons into the game, but maybe thats why they didn't do it, too much work?

The only thing that sets IDF apart is that they have to answer to no one.

Unlike our Armed Forces who have the Scrutiny of hillary bill Kerry and tedy kennedy.

Horseman 77 wrote:

The only thing that sets IDF apart is that they have to answer to no one.

Unlike our Armed Forces who have the Scrutiny of hillary bill Kerry and tedy kennedy.

Ehhhh... it's a question of values. Perhaps you would think differently if you get a couple of suicide bombings a month. Perhaps. It's like how they thought that the Japanese were excessively cruel during WWII, but in actuality, they do the same 'inhumane' things to their own people when they fought their feudal wars; for example... cleaning the city of men, beheading, etc.

Another example: US evangelical missions to Africa to fight the spread of AIDS decry the use of condoms and try to teach abstainence, citing the use of condoms as sinful. *sigh* in religious fervour, have some of us lost sight of the bigger picture? The culture is different... a man has many wives, and in some places in Africa, a widow has to be f*cked by her deceased husband's relatives to free her husband's soul... etc. Yet, against the advice of the UN delegation, the evangelicals held their ground with the huge funds that they bring.

It's the clash of cultures. What each of us holds as 'universal' values might not be, even till this day and age.

jhoo8116 wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

The only thing that sets IDF apart is that they have to answer to no one.

Unlike our Armed Forces who have the Scrutiny of hillary bill Kerry and tedy kennedy.

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Ehhhh... it's a question of values. Perhaps you would think differently if you get a couple of suicide bombings a month.

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Perhaps. It's like how they thought that the Japanese were excessively cruel during WWII, but in actuality, they do the same 'inhumane' things to their own people when they fought their feudal wars; for example... cleaning the city of men, beheading, etc.

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Another example: US evangelical missions to Africa to fight the spread of AIDS decry the use of condoms and try to teach abstainence, citing the use of condoms as sinful. *sigh* in religious fervour, have some of us lost sight of the bigger picture? The culture is different... a man has many wives, and in some places in Africa, a widow has to be f*cked by her deceased husband's relatives to free her husband's soul... etc. Yet, against the advice of the UN delegation, the evangelicals held their ground with the huge funds that they bring.



It's the clash of cultures. What each of us holds as 'universal' values might not be, even till this day and age.

1  Where you in a coma? we had suicide bombings here. Did you miss it ?
in fact we are fighting them over Israel so we do " Feel There Pain ".

2 Read up a little bit about the Japanese in china or ask a chinese person than get back to me.

3 Simple dont take there money. send some better,  Smarter, foward thinking people and take there   money, Unless  (Evil ) Evangelical Christians were the only ones who gave a fuck enough about them to show up in a time of need in the first place.

the all wise U.N. new the right moves again, allas they were ignored. when will we be smart enough to let them run things in Africa.

pfcilng wrote:

Well, my dad can beat up your dad........


Will turn into one of these pretty quick

Seriously, not to mention half of the people in here are just gonna call their countries' army the best.

Horseman 77 wrote:

1  Where you in a coma? we had suicide bombings here. Did you miss it ?
in fact we are fighting them over Israel so we do " Feel There Pain ".

2 Read up a little bit about the Japanese in china or ask a chinese person than get back to me.

3 Simple dont take there money. send some better,  Smarter, foward thinking people and take there   money, Unless  (Evil ) Evangelical Christians were the only ones who gave a fuck enough about them to show up in a time of need in the first place.

the all wise U.N. new the right moves again, allas they were ignored. when will we be smart enough to let them run things in Africa.

I cite another example: torture. Are Americans for torture? Can we tell the Iraqi government to not torture, now that we are somewhat responsible for how they are behaving? No. It's a cultural thing... of the region; they are not gonna heed pleads for more humane treatment... not yet, at the least.

You said that unlike our armed-forces, the Israelis aint scrutinized by their politicians. Correct. If American values were pro-blatant-assassination, those politians won't have to pretend that they really cared if American spec-ops were doing the same. Having been subjected to constant suicide bombings which disrupted lives, embittered Israelis develop the taste for an-eye-for-an-eye justice. Is that a social-concensus? A value? My point is, values are circumstantial.

Flasheart88 wrote:

He's on crack. That's the only explanation. Crack. As someone who *had* relatives in Nanjing, you can seriously kiss my ass.

Watch what you are flaming at. I am ethnically Chinese. Came to the US a while ago, and have relatives in China. My Grandfathers were forced to flee southward to South East Asia due to the Japanese occupation of China. The Japanese moved south shortly thereafter... My maternal grandpa is still bitter about it.

Through it all, did I state my opinion on Japanese "endeavours" in China? Nope. I just presented an alternative perspective to the issue; presented how some, Japanese and Western scholars alike, justified Japanese wartime behaviour. How did I come across as having taken a position as agreeable to their behaviour in WWII?

Precisely the point isn't it? We don't really allow for the existence for alternative perspectives/world views. The idea above is probably so offensive that it triggered auto-flaming response. I must admit that I got pissed when I first read about how the evangelicals were trying to help the AIDS ridden African countries. But on afterthought, I am reminded that without them, there wouldn't be the free cocktail shots and other medical facilities to the most innocent victims: those born with AIDS.

Nigerian Special Forces are HARD FUCKING CORE BITCHES!!!

thinner44 wrote:

"Live with it" . What a really odd thing to say after your statement above. I think if I was an American I would be slightly offended by your remark that "they funded the IRA (and other Irish terrorist groups)" . A very very small minority did indeed support the IRA.... but not every American. Please substantiate your claims if you're going to post inflammatory remarks. As for 'blue on blue', that's been happening since conflicts began, from all sides.

Okay, what I said was a little mixed up.  I am not anti-American.  I know not every American supported the IRA but without the funding from NORAID, [ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm ] their attacks would have been fewer and less people would have died.  Having been close to two IRA bombs, having seen the carnage in Warrington and Enniskillen, I am somewhat anti anyone who supported them.   I was looking forward to George Bush invading Ireland and taking out the terrorist organisations on both sides of the border (and religious divide) in his War on Terrorism.

As for "blue on blue", accidents do happen.  Look at my stats on BF2 and you'll see I'm not perfect and I don't expect any army to have a blemish-free record.  However, the US military's record in Iraq speaks for itself.

However, back to the topic that was posted.  I don't think any real armies should have been included.  The omissions and the inclusions are bound to cause arguments - how many nations have been on the receiving end of the Spetsnaz' bullets?  Who is to say whether the IDF would have been any more or less controversial?  Even the SAS have had moments they'd rather have avoided - anyone remember the killings in Gibraltar?

What about th Gign????

and SAS came into being in the 1960's during the Malaysia conflict...

sas was founded by david sterling in 1941 as a desert raiding force in north africa

dont say the aussies make the seals look stupid thats garbage ><

okay.... I wanted to see Israeli SF in the game because they use some interesting weapons and wear cool hats... geesh. we can let this die now!

dshak wrote:

anyone else kind of upset that they didn't add the IDF? I mean common, in my most humble of opinions there are really three special forces units in the world that are an absolute MUST for a game called SPECIAL FORCES, the SEALS, the Spetz (though not sure if they are still really as strong as they once were), and the Israeli Defense Force special commandos. I mean seriously, the IDF special forces might even be the the best in the world at this point.

I could see MAYBE they would have left them out for political purposes, though I hardly see how having IDF vs MEC would be any less controversial than US vs MEC (not that I think EITHER is controversial in a VIDEO GAME, but I digress)

They also would have brought a whole host of new and interesting weapons into the game, but maybe thats why they didn't do it, too much work?

My point...... there are no beter.......

Tyferra wrote:

The IDF are brilliant though. This is what the did to one guy who they needed to assassinate, (I'll call him Mr. X because I can't remember his name.:
They scrambled his cellphone, so he couldn't recieve or send anything. Of course Mr. X, (who dosn't know what's happening,) takes his phone to a repair place. While it is there, the IDF plants a small explosive in it. When the guy gets it back, Mr. X finds it works perfectly. One of the first calls he gets goes something like this:
"Hello?"
"Hello, is this Mr. X?"
"Yes, who's this?"
The conversation ended about then as the IDF triggered the explosive and took off Mr. X's head.

That's just a cool way to assassinate someone, but the IDF are one of the best Special Forces in the world and should have been included in BF:SF.

That would not be the IDF but the Mossad performing an operation like that, in 1996, Mossad assassinated the "Engineer," a notorious Hamas bomb designer, by wiring his cell phone with explosives.

Special forces are light, quick strike and fast egress units.  Do not get the two confused.

hah ZING!!!!