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2007-02-23 09:36:26

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7021|St. Andrews / Oslo

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
NemeSiS-Factor wrote:

Before this universe was created, there was another. After who knows how many billions of years, gravity pulled that universe together into an enormous black hole, which eventually exploded, like all black holes do. That created this universe (actually, I'm not sure if it was on a universal or galactical scale), and when the universe stops expanding, it will slowly come back together, and happen again, making all our worldy advancements for naught. THAT is a solid theory. Simply believing God did it is ignorant. This bullshit was spoon-fed to people hundreds of years ago. Your believing stories from a book that was most likely written in an opium den for Christ's sake. They were HIGH, just like you.

As for life, a solid theory is we all crawled out of some symbiotic soup millions of years ago. It's more believable than "magic."
I'm not Christian and not Religious and do not read the bible nor pray to God, but I believe that religion and Science are one in a way.
Actually I think the Energy was in the universe before the big bang. As we all know about physics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred.

So where does this energy originaly come from?

Impossible to answer and prove it (as of today). Therefore we have religion.

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2007-02-23 09:38:16

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7005

Jenspm wrote:
cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

I'm not Christian and not Religious and do not read the bible nor pray to God, but I believe that religion and Science are one in a way.
Actually I think the Energy was in the universe before the big bang. As we all know about physics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred.
So where does this energy originaly come from?

Impossible to answer and prove it (as of today). Therefore we have religion.

Actually I know. God had a arm wrestle match with his room mate Joe, then God farted, therefore making Joe lose, then God got a zippo lighter and light his fart then that energy started the big bang.

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2007-02-23 09:41:19

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7021|St. Andrews / Oslo

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Actually I think the Energy was in the universe before the big bang. As we all know about physics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred.
So where does this energy originaly come from?

Impossible to answer and prove it (as of today). Therefore we have religion.
Actually I know. God had a arm wrestle match with his room mate Joe, then God farted, therefore making Joe lose, then God got a zippo lighter and light his fart then that energy started the big bang.

but... God needed energy to fart and arm wrestle and the lighter needs energy to burn and start and Joe won't live without energy and Everything needs energy zomg...

/headache

2007-02-23 09:43:38

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7005

Jenspm wrote:
cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

So where does this energy originaly come from?

Impossible to answer and prove it (as of today). Therefore we have religion.
Actually I know. God had a arm wrestle match with his room mate Joe, then God farted, therefore making Joe lose, then God got a zippo lighter and light his fart then that energy started the big bang.
but... God needed energy to fart and arm wrestle and the lighter needs energy to burn and start and Joe won't live without energy and Everything needs energy zomg...

/headache

God created energy by looking at pokemon.

2007-02-23 09:45:30

Korny09: Member; +8|6562|Ohio

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Actually I think the Energy was in the universe before the big bang. As we all know about physics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred.
So where does this energy originaly come from?

Impossible to answer and prove it (as of today). Therefore we have religion.
Actually I know. God had a arm wrestle match with his room mate Joe, then God farted, therefore making Joe lose, then God got a zippo lighter and light his fart then that energy started the big bang.

No wisdom to share, so you mock...figures. Actually I haven't heard any PROOF yet.
Email me your proof. If you find his body I will give you my house, car, and anything else (except for my family)...I will even go out drinking with you and do some REAL BF2!

2007-02-23 09:48:54

Mitch: 16 more years; +877|6814|South Florida

NemeSiS-Factor wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
NemeSiS-Factor wrote:

How could you believe in ANYTHING that hasn't been proven, or has a solid theory about it. Religon is right up there with Santa Clause.
How do you think the earth was created?

Most educated people would say Big Bang.

Now what is Big Bang? Something was made out of nothing, right? A big explosion came out of nothing. But there needs to be a power to create this. Christians call this power God.
Before this universe was created, there was another. After who knows how many billions of years, gravity pulled that universe together into an enormous black hole, which eventually exploded, like all black holes do. That created this universe (actually, I'm not sure if it was on a universal or galactical scale), and when the universe stops expanding, it will slowly come back together, and happen again, making all our worldy advancements for naught. THAT is a solid theory. Simply believing God did it is ignorant. This bullshit was spoon-fed to people hundreds of years ago. Your believing stories from a book that was most likely written in an opium den for Christ's sake. They were HIGH, just like you.

As for life, a solid theory is we all crawled out of some symbiotic soup millions of years ago. It's more believable than "magic."

Hey hey hey hey hey!!!
Im an Amatuer Astrophysicist, (lol i know wrong spelling, whatever)
And
A. Black holes dont explode, they do end when they run out of food for billions of years, its the supernova that explodes/implodes.
B. The universe is actually expanding at an increasingly fast rate, so if your second statement was true, it would be at an even/slowing pace, but rather, its getting faster as it expands.

15 more years! 15 more years!

2007-02-23 09:50:27

ELITE-UK: Scratching my back; +170|6763|SHEFFIELD, ENGLAND

ncc6206 wrote:
Do you take every thing you read as the truth??? Did you also miss the quote where the archeologist who found the site says ""The names that are found on the tombs are names that are similar to the names of the family of Jesus," he conceded.

Its laughable that this little snippet and documentary will actually cause a concern for Christianity. Christ rocks!!!!

It makes more goddam sense that what its claimed to be dude, i believe that jesus was just a name he was called and was not a miracle man who healed people with special powers etc etc, but an ordinatry man who just became a doctor and healed a few people and his popularity grew, people started claiming he was a miracle healer and then people just got carried away.
Then the romans got mad and sacrificed him because he was more popular than they where.

But thats what i believe until i see proven evidence that the bloke was who they say he was.

2007-02-23 09:52:40

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7005

Korny09 wrote:
cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

So where does this energy originaly come from?

Impossible to answer and prove it (as of today). Therefore we have religion.
Actually I know. God had a arm wrestle match with his room mate Joe, then God farted, therefore making Joe lose, then God got a zippo lighter and light his fart then that energy started the big bang.
No wisdom to share, so you mock...figures. Actually I haven't heard any PROOF yet.
Email me your proof. If you find his body I will give you my house, car, and anything else (except for my family)...I will even go out drinking with you and do some REAL BF2!

I am right until you prove me wrong.

2007-02-23 10:05:23

Korny09: Member; +8|6562|Ohio

ELITE-UK wrote:
ncc6206 wrote:
Do you take every thing you read as the truth??? Did you also miss the quote where the archeologist who found the site says ""The names that are found on the tombs are names that are similar to the names of the family of Jesus," he conceded.

Its laughable that this little snippet and documentary will actually cause a concern for Christianity. Christ rocks!!!!
It makes more goddam sense that what its claimed to be dude, i believe that jesus was just a name he was called and was not a miracle man who healed people with special powers etc etc, but an ordinatry man who just became a doctor and healed a few people and his popularity grew, people started claiming he was a miracle healer and then people just got carried away.
Then the romans got mad and sacrificed him because he was more popular than they where.

But thats what i believe until i see proven evidence that the bloke was who they say he was.

You're ignorant ! There is no way to prove that his miracles happened other than believing the testimony of both the biblical writers & secular historians. However, I have seen people clearly healed today (not the Benny Hinn crap, but real healings from people I KNOW were sick.
And obviously you do not read. The Romans killed him out of annoyance. And Pilate didn't want an uproar on his watch. Plus, he was pretty obscure when he was here-seeing that his focus was on the Jewish people.
However, it comes back to the resurrection. If he didn't rise again, Christianity is a waste of time. If he did, then you are a fool.

Last edited by Korny09 (2007-02-23 10:10:04)

2007-02-23 10:07:41

Korny09: Member; +8|6562|Ohio

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Korny09 wrote:
cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Actually I know. God had a arm wrestle match with his room mate Joe, then God farted, therefore making Joe lose, then God got a zippo lighter and light his fart then that energy started the big bang.
No wisdom to share, so you mock...figures. Actually I haven't heard any PROOF yet.
Email me your proof. If you find his body I will give you my house, car, and anything else (except for my family)...I will even go out drinking with you and do some REAL BF2!
I am right until you prove me wrong.

You wouldn't accept proof if I handed it to you on a silver platter. He rose from the dead & biblical records & secular historians vouch for that. Now don't worry, you will be proved wrong someday. So go on living in close-minded, hard-hearted ignorance. You will find out.

2007-02-23 10:08:50

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7005

Korny09 wrote:
ELITE-UK wrote:
ncc6206 wrote:
Do you take every thing you read as the truth??? Did you also miss the quote where the archeologist who found the site says ""The names that are found on the tombs are names that are similar to the names of the family of Jesus," he conceded.

Its laughable that this little snippet and documentary will actually cause a concern for Christianity. Christ rocks!!!!
It makes more goddam sense that what its claimed to be dude, i believe that jesus was just a name he was called and was not a miracle man who healed people with special powers etc etc, but an ordinatry man who just became a doctor and healed a few people and his popularity grew, people started claiming he was a miracle healer and then people just got carried away.
Then the romans got mad and sacrificed him because he was more popular than they where.

But thats what i believe until i see proven evidence that the bloke was who they say he was.
You're an idiot! There is no way to prove that his miracles happened other than believing the testimony of both the biblical writers & secular historians. However, I have seen people clearly healed today (not the Benny Hinn crap, but real healings from people I KNOW were sick.
And obviously you do not read. The Romans killed him out of annoyance. And Pilate didn't want an uproar on his watch.
However, it comes back to the resurrection. If he didn't rise again, Christianity is a waste of time. If he did, then you are a fool.

Probably his powers were exaggerated a lot.

2007-02-23 10:09:56

ncc6206: =BIG= BAD AND UGLY; +36|6768

ELITE-UK wrote:
ncc6206 wrote:
Do you take every thing you read as the truth??? Did you also miss the quote where the archeologist who found the site says ""The names that are found on the tombs are names that are similar to the names of the family of Jesus," he conceded.

Its laughable that this little snippet and documentary will actually cause a concern for Christianity. Christ rocks!!!!
It makes more goddam sense that what its claimed to be dude, i believe that jesus was just a name he was called and was not a miracle man who healed people with special powers etc etc, but an ordinatry man who just became a doctor and healed a few people and his popularity grew, people started claiming he was a miracle healer and then people just got carried away.
Then the romans got mad and sacrificed him because he was more popular than they where.

But thats what i believe until i see proven evidence that the bloke was who they say he was.

Ah but that is the caveat. If we want eternal salvation as it is promised in the scriptures we must have faith that the Bible is the divine word of God. Its a choice everyone must make. Some do and some don't. I throw my lot in believing he is the true Son of God. I used to question the miracles and validity of the bible but when I made the decision to follow God I also made the decision to trust his Word. Now it may not seem to be the most scientific way of believing things but thats where spirituality comes in.

2007-02-23 10:10:42

zeidmaan: Member; +234|6704|Vienna

OH nooooes I can feel my faith leaving me...... noooooooooooooooooo...... so much well thought of comments here noooooo...... such inteligent reasoning nooooooo..... faaaaaith........

Can science tell me do the trees in the forest make any sound when no one is listening or monitoring in any way ?

2007-02-23 10:12:06

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6938

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
First off I would like to say the stuff in the video, while quite interesting does not proof or disprove anything.

Second this thread confirmed my beleif that all religion threads will become degraded to the internet equivelent of trolls hurling fire balls at each other.

Have a nice day.

QFT, QFE etc etc.

I've never read so much shit in such a short thread. I think we need some kind of new system, where people can only post Iraq/religion topics if they can post sensibly in other topics and prove that they aren't dumbfucks.

2007-02-23 10:12:50

Kurazoo: Pheasant Plucker; +440|6973|West Yorkshire, U.K

Hmph another debate and serious talk or should i say rant talk

2007-02-23 10:13:24

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7005

Ok Jesus was a man. I can prove this. He was just working on my garden for 2 dollars an hour.

2007-02-23 10:14:37

NemeSiS-Factor: Favorite Weapon? Pistol; +29|6959|Everett, WA, US

Dezerteagal5 wrote:
NemeSiS-Factor wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

How do you think the earth was created?

Most educated people would say Big Bang.

Now what is Big Bang? Something was made out of nothing, right? A big explosion came out of nothing. But there needs to be a power to create this. Christians call this power God.
Before this universe was created, there was another. After who knows how many billions of years, gravity pulled that universe together into an enormous black hole, which eventually exploded, like all black holes do. That created this universe (actually, I'm not sure if it was on a universal or galactical scale), and when the universe stops expanding, it will slowly come back together, and happen again, making all our worldy advancements for naught. THAT is a solid theory. Simply believing God did it is ignorant. This bullshit was spoon-fed to people hundreds of years ago. Your believing stories from a book that was most likely written in an opium den for Christ's sake. They were HIGH, just like you.

As for life, a solid theory is we all crawled out of some symbiotic soup millions of years ago. It's more believable than "magic."
Hey hey hey hey hey!!!
Im an Amatuer Astrophysicist, (lol i know wrong spelling, whatever)
And
A. Black holes dont explode, they do end when they run out of food for billions of years, its the supernova that explodes/implodes.
B. The universe is actually expanding at an increasingly fast rate, so if your second statement was true, it would be at an even/slowing pace, but rather, its getting faster as it expands.

'Fraid not. It's slowing down.

2007-02-23 10:15:52

ncc6206: =BIG= BAD AND UGLY; +36|6768

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Ok Jesus was a man. I can prove this. He was just working on my garden for 2 dollars an hour.

I can't believe no one is getting your joke or that they don't care to comment on it. They must not have a Jesus living in their neighborhood.

2007-02-23 10:21:30

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,057|7061|PNW

EVieira wrote:
And he had a son, too. How will Christianity cope with this? How does the Romam Catholic Church explains this? Coincidence?

Documentary makers claim tomb of Jesus found in Jerusalem cave

If that documentary doesn't have a T-1000 in there somewhere (Cameron's involved), I'm not interested. But I could claim to have discovered a cure for AIDS, and it wouldn't necessarily be undisputed truth.

For that matter, much of what is taught of Jesus' life probably isn't the complete truth either.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-02-23 10:22:13)

2007-02-23 10:36:28

Fen321: Member; +54|6787|Singularity

ncc6206 wrote:
ELITE-UK wrote:
ncc6206 wrote:
Do you take every thing you read as the truth??? Did you also miss the quote where the archeologist who found the site says ""The names that are found on the tombs are names that are similar to the names of the family of Jesus," he conceded.

Its laughable that this little snippet and documentary will actually cause a concern for Christianity. Christ rocks!!!!
It makes more goddam sense that what its claimed to be dude, i believe that jesus was just a name he was called and was not a miracle man who healed people with special powers etc etc, but an ordinatry man who just became a doctor and healed a few people and his popularity grew, people started claiming he was a miracle healer and then people just got carried away.
Then the romans got mad and sacrificed him because he was more popular than they where.

But thats what i believe until i see proven evidence that the bloke was who they say he was.
Ah but that is the caveat. If we want eternal salvation as it is promised in the scriptures we must have faith that the Bible is the divine word of God. Its a choice everyone must make. Some do and some don't. I throw my lot in believing he is the true Son of God. I used to question the miracles and validity of the bible but when I made the decision to follow God I also made the decision to trust his Word. Now it may not seem to be the most scientific way of believing things but thats where spirituality comes in.

Hey hey...why is Jesus the only son of God?

Why is the Bible which was created hundreds of years after the oral tradition was passed now considered direct dictation but still manged to get the name Library?

Seriously ask yourself how Jesus can say the kingdom of heaven is within you.....or

"What is the kingdom of God like? And to what shall I compare it? It is like a mustard seed that someone took and sowed in the garden; it grew and became a tree, and the birds of the air made nests in its branches." (Luke 13:18-19)

WAKE UP the guy gave you the perfect description right there....everyone = god / everyone = in heaven .

Last edited by Fen321 (2007-02-23 10:38:14)

2007-02-23 10:37:45

klassekock: Proud Born Loser; +68|6875|Sweden

Until we invent a time machine and can travel back 2000 years to see if all stories about jesus were true, This debate is pretty pointless. Religion is good for some people to find strength in and other people find it in themselves or other things.
We shall not judge!
Let every person believe what he/she wants. I for myself have faith in my dog. He gives me joy and purpose in life. And I'm a atheist too but that doesn't mean that I don't accept other religions.

2007-02-23 11:09:45

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6734|The Land of Scott Walker

Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Untill the kids 'the believers' realize, moms not gunna spank me, shes all talk, but ive never gotten a spanking no matter what i do.

Now, the sooner you come to the conclusion that your 'mom' will NEVER actually spank you, then the sooner you can live a full, fun, life. To the limits of the law that is

Ah, so you've died and reviewed the afterlife, which enabled you to come to the conclusion that the "spanking" will never come? Interesting.

For anyone who is genuinely interested: everyone does not equal God and everyone is not going to Heaven. Read more in the book of Romans for further explanation.

2007-02-23 11:14:01

Bull3t: stephen brule; +83|6591

CruZ4dR wrote:
I don't believe in christianity and all that Jesus stuff hallelujah. But all that above that is just BS.
No scientists can prove something like that from 2000 years ago.

They dug up noahs ark? Didn't they? The proved that exsisted?

2007-02-23 11:14:15

too_money2007: Member; +145|6597|Keller, Tx

I vote to ban all religious threads, because they just become flame wars. That, and they're tired. They need a rest.

2007-02-23 11:14:37

usmarine2007: Banned; +374|6656|Columbus, Ohio

Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Untill the kids 'the believers' realize, moms not gunna spank me, shes all talk, but ive never gotten a spanking no matter what i do.

Now, the sooner you come to the conclusion that your 'mom' will NEVER actually spank you, then the sooner you can live a full, fun, life. To the limits of the law that is

Shot out! ........................

Bang! Right on target.

Good post.

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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

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ncc6206 wrote:

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Jenspm wrote:

ELITE-UK wrote:

ncc6206 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Korny09 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Korny09 wrote:

ELITE-UK wrote:

ncc6206 wrote:

ELITE-UK wrote:

ncc6206 wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

EVieira wrote:

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