BF2S Forums A world without America.

sergeriver wrote:

DonFck wrote:

At least try to keep this discussion on a debate-lavel. More good argumentation of this hypothetical situation, less flaming. Now. Please.

I wanted to debate the other hypothetical situation but you closed the thread.

Is there a possibility for such a hypothetical situation? The U.S is a melting pot of cultures (I won't go more into that).

The thread you created ws probably meant to be a yang to the yin, an omega to an alpha, but you saw the replies. It wasn't going anywhere.

SteikeTa wrote:

DonFck? When did you become a mod? Just curious.

Am I? Did I?

DonFck wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

DonFck wrote:

At least try to keep this discussion on a debate-lavel. More good argumentation of this hypothetical situation, less flaming. Now. Please.

I wanted to debate the other hypothetical situation but you closed the thread.

Is there a possibility for such a hypothetical situation? The U.S is a melting pot of cultures (I won't go more into that).

The thread you created ws probably meant to be a yang to the yin, an omega to an alpha, but you saw the replies. It wasn't going anywhere.

I only was told R-tard.  I usually receive more insults.

I think Pollux's point is to comment about the typical daily fare on these forums...the arguments he posted are also part of the point as well.  It's an opinion of this forum.

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

http://www.18doughtystreet.com/on_demand/165

This puts things into perspective for countries that are insignificant on the world scale, yet offer a not so insignificant amount of hating and criticism.

Also, denim jeans.

Discuss.

I love it when people do not see the difference between 'America' (= the continent) and 'the United States of America' (= a country situated on said continent).  I also find it very amusing when they identify themselves with said country and said country with the US Government.

With reference to the video: try to see it in perspective. If von Braun had been caught by the Russian army, the USA maybe wouldn't have had a man on the moon.

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

World with america:
http://www.businessworkshops.org.uk/ima … anding.jpg
World without america:
http://www.edwardfrench.com/web%20caveman.jpg

Its common knowledge, that America and its economy brings some of the most advanced technology concievable.

in weapons... lol

oh oh oh OH! watching america!!

America ? Whats with it ? Its nothing.
Sorry to say but i think it really dosnt have culture and only a few years of history.There are no americans coz europeans went to america.During both world wars america just made business from it and enjoyed all the escaping scientists,professors,doctors,inventors.And then they say americans invented a lot of things...nope sorry they are not americans.

So without USA i think germany would win in WW2 and of course the WW1 would end total different.
No cold war
No Vietnam war
No Israel conflict (today there would be no terror every week)

theelviscerator wrote:

The main reason the world hates us is because we protect Israel.

Guess who are leading your lovely country ?

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venom6 wrote:

America ? Whats with it ? Its nothing.
Sorry to say but i think it really dosnt have culture and only a few years of history.There are no americans coz europeans went to america.During both world wars america just made business from it and enjoyed all the escaping scientists,professors,doctors,inventors.And then they say americans invented a lot of things...nope sorry they are not americans.

So without USA i think germany would win in WW2 and of course the WW1 would end total different.
No cold war
No Vietnam war
No Israel conflict (today there would be no terror every week)

theelviscerator wrote:

The main reason the world hates us is because we protect Israel.

Guess who are leading your lovely country ?

Oh except for them blowing themselves up, the USSR still trying to invade and spread communism south of its borders and the usual responce we get from terror networks would just go there.

Violent people will turn on each other if they have no outside source to fight.

Ridir wrote:

Violent people will turn on each other if they have no outside source to fight.

That could be the reason why there is so much gun related killing in the USA... OTOH your troops have many outside sources to fight.

every fucking word of that video is true, and it pisses me off that people cant see that.

cMD-RR wrote:

norge wrote:

every fucking word of that video is true, and it pisses me off that people cant see that.

Do you really think that if there was no usa, europe should have allowed tyrants to rule the world, like saddam in the movie example.
If there wasnt a usa another country should have taken its place as superpower (england,france,germany,russia)

Weren't those all superpowers at one time?

If a world without America meant a world without all the technology that was first perfected in America, then that would be a world without nukes.  And that would be fine by me.  And since most people don't really care about things we don't even know are essential consumer items (e.g. rocket-pants or whatever get's dreamt up and mass marketed next) then I'm sure the world would be just as happy (or miserable as is often the case). 

As for Israel, who can say?  Maybe it would have ended up being formed from a chunk of Germany instead, which seems like a pretty fair solution to me.

And as for everything else, people only think they need those wonderful things because they know about them.  Ignorance is bliss.

And if we assume that technology would move at a slightly slower pace, then honestly, who gives a flying fuck anyway.  Most technology is driven by the desire to kill your enemies more effectively while protecting yourself better (even medicine falls into this category in many ways).  And that's pretty universal.

Who can tell what the world would be like?  No one can.  But that won't stop people trying to say that it would be a worse place if it suits their interests, using the oldest trick in the book; playing on the human fear of the unknown.

What I think when I watch that advert is "how can someone buy into that pretentious bullshit propaganda, and what fool honestly thought that nonsense like that would improve public opinion of America for anyone but Americans?"

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Compare the Japanese system of government, values, and policies to those before and after World War 2. The answer to your question is so obvious one might mistake it for being rhetorical.

Not a rehorical question at all, and you are not answering it.  Explain me why a nuclear Japan would be more dangerous than a nuclear US.  Who decides that?  Why can certain Nations have Nuclear weapons and Japan can't?  US is the only country that dropped the bomb so far.  How does this fact make US a more reliable country than Japan?  Maybe this is an obvious question for you, but for normal people it is not.

First, where are you getting this question from? No one said a nuclear Japan would be more dangerous in the first place (even though it arguably would be). It's like you made up a post in your head to respond to. Second, now that you did bring it up, I went ahead and provided the answer, but for some reason you're still asking the same question. Again, Japan was an empire during that era that was actively expanding into China as well as allied with Nazi Germany.

He thinks they changed, Pollux.....

sergeriver wrote:

You are right.  My fault.  A country acting like an empire and actively expanding or invading other countries is very dangerous.

They tried.  Oh, and weren't very good at it.

Last edited by NemeSiS-Factor (2007-02-22 11:30:06)