I want to get some of that, if only for the bottle. What's it called?Bertster7 wrote:
They should definately not be recalled. Nor should be Mohammed cartoons have been pulled.usmarine2007 wrote:
Should these be recalled or not? We saw what happens when you make a cartoon of mohammed, and that got pulled immediately. Why the double standard? Maybe because the Jews are not rioting?
I want to see more of this sort of thing. Maybe Stalin salt? There's Stalin vodka already.http://jotpuree.com/images/photo/05_Sum … p_back.jpg
Dunno sorry. Just heard about it in a BBC article about Stalinism.ghettoperson wrote:
I want to get some of that, if only for the bottle. What's it called?Bertster7 wrote:
They should definately not be recalled. Nor should be Mohammed cartoons have been pulled.usmarine2007 wrote:
Should these be recalled or not? We saw what happens when you make a cartoon of mohammed, and that got pulled immediately. Why the double standard? Maybe because the Jews are not rioting?
I want to see more of this sort of thing. Maybe Stalin salt? There's Stalin vodka already.http://jotpuree.com/images/photo/05_Sum … p_back.jpg
I did get a bottle of Hitler wine in Italy once though (it was quite nasty). It looked a bit different to to pic I posted earlier of Hitler wine though.
My analogy? Jews are mad at this would you agree? Why don't we see Jews rioting?oug wrote:
WTF as if the Jews were the only ones affected by Nazi Germany. Your analogy is flawed here. Hitler didn't only kill Jews. And you can't talk about numbers either because then Russia should be the first to riot. Oh, and a final small detail... Hitler is nobody's god... lol!usmarine2007 wrote:
"Small packets of sugar bearing the likeness of Adolf Hitler and carrying Holocaust jokes have been found in some cafes in Croatia, prompting an investigation, the office of the state prosecutor said Monday"
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Should these be recalled or not? We saw what happens when you make a cartoon of mohammed, and that got pulled immediately. Why the double standard? Maybe because the Jews are not rioting?
How is that flawed?
How the fuck is there a double standard that works in Muslims favour? When the cartoons were released, not only did they not get recalled, some people printed them for the sake of antagonising Muslims. Now these have been discovered, and police are launching an investigation. If anything it proves that the only reason the other cartoons were allowed is because no-one cares about Muslims.
the Nazi party was created on my birthday...February 24th
not the year dumbdumbs
not the year dumbdumbs
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There's somewhat of a double standard, but again, the Jews aren't rioting.
But somethings already being done, isn't it?
Do you honestly think the Jews would riot if nothing was done? Sure, some of them would raise hell about it legally, but they wouldn't physically attack people, burn cars, or blow up buildings.
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Would Muslims have the option of pursuing it in court? No. The primary difference between Jews and Muslims is that the majority of Muslims come from/live in poor areas, whereas for the Jews it's the reverse. The difference is in how they can get results, not whether one group is inherently more violent than the other (as the Israeli army aptly demonstrates).
Well, I'll agree with you about the Israeli government. However, the average Jew (while typically a lot more wealthy) is generally going to be more sensible in dealing with prejudice. The average Muslim isn't going to riot, but their general poverty doesn't excuse acts of violence when they get offended.Bubbalo wrote:
Would Muslims have the option of pursuing it in court? No. The primary difference between Jews and Muslims is that the majority of Muslims come from/live in poor areas, whereas for the Jews it's the reverse. The difference is in how they can get results, not whether one group is inherently more violent than the other (as the Israeli army aptly demonstrates).
What the fuck else are they supposed to do? Ask nicely? Jewish people are (largely) a part of the wealthy elite, and can afford to be reasonable. Muslims can't.
So, you're saying that you have to be well off to be reasonable? Plenty of poor groups get offended on a daily basis, but they don't usually riot. Think about how Mexicans are treated here. They don't usually riot when offended.Bubbalo wrote:
What the fuck else are they supposed to do? Ask nicely? Jewish people are (largely) a part of the wealthy elite, and can afford to be reasonable. Muslims can't.
I'm saying that in order to ensure you are treated properly, you must use power. Sheer weight of number is the power Muslims have, money is the power Jews have, refusal to work is the power Mexicans have. So far, the Mexicans haven't had cause to use it, but if they did they would.
We do remember Mel Gibsons' little display, don't we?
We do remember Mel Gibsons' little display, don't we?
Well, that is true that the Jews went overboard with that one.Bubbalo wrote:
I'm saying that in order to ensure you are treated properly, you must use power. Sheer weight of number is the power Muslims have, money is the power Jews have, refusal to work is the power Mexicans have. So far, the Mexicans haven't had cause to use it, but if they did they would.
We do remember Mel Gibsons' little display, don't we?
Still, it seems like you are trying to justify violence over being offended. If anything can be demonstrated by the reaction to the Mohammed cartoons, it's that far too many Muslims have short tempers.
If they plan on ever escaping poverty, they'd best learn how to react more rationally in the future.
I don't think it's a matter of short tempers, it's a different mindset. We in the West don't identify easily with how seriously they take their religion and how sacred they consider their God and their Prophets. We should show a little more dignity and pay them a little more respect ...I mean what good did the cartoons serve in the end? All they did was offend. It's like drawing an offensive picture of someone's mother, why bother? Just show a little respect.Turquoise wrote:
Still, it seems like you are trying to justify violence over being offended. If anything can be demonstrated by the reaction to the Mohammed cartoons, it's that far too many Muslims have short tempers.
Muslims dont have money?!?!? lol... lol... That might be the dumbest assed thing I have ever heard you say Bubbalo, and that is saying something.Bubbalo wrote:
What the fuck else are they supposed to do? Ask nicely? Jewish people are (largely) a part of the wealthy elite, and can afford to be reasonable. Muslims can't.
Respect is earned. If certain Muslims can't respect the viewpoints of non-Muslims, they don't deserve respect back.Braddock wrote:
Just show a little respect.
Case in point. We can't caricature their Prophet, but yet they can ours?
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Everyone else, regardless of nationality has as a reason to riot about this as much as Jews do. That's what I'm saying. Why don't you see anyone else rioting? And why do you focus on the reaction of the Jews? Why should Jews be more angry about this than say the Russians?usmarine2007 wrote:
My analogy? Jews are mad at this would you agree? Why don't we see Jews rioting?
How is that flawed?
Using this incident to show how the Jews are better than the Muslims is flawed.
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Ok.....I see your point. Why aren't any people affected by Nazi terror rioting like the muslims riot over a cartoon? Better?oug wrote:
Everyone else, regardless of nationality has as a reason to riot about this as much as Jews do. That's what I'm saying. Why don't you see anyone else rioting? And why do you focus on the reaction of the Jews? Why should Jews be more angry about this than say the Russians?usmarine2007 wrote:
My analogy? Jews are mad at this would you agree? Why don't we see Jews rioting?
How is that flawed?
When did they do that? We caricature our own gods. And that's healthy for all I care.Ilocano wrote:
We can't caricature their Prophet, but yet they can ours?
Case in point: The Muslims' problematic religious customs are just that and nothing more. Thus they should be of no interest to outsiders like us. If they want to be uptight about their prophet then so be it. Fuck them. The rest is stupid western propaganda aiming to legitimize the uncalled for aggression on our part.
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Why did the black community riot in LA in the 90s?usmarine2007 wrote:
Ok.....I see your point. Why aren't any people affected by Nazi terror rioting like the muslims riot over a cartoon? Better?oug wrote:
Everyone else, regardless of nationality has as a reason to riot about this as much as Jews do. That's what I'm saying. Why don't you see anyone else rioting? And why do you focus on the reaction of the Jews? Why should Jews be more angry about this than say the Russians?usmarine2007 wrote:
My analogy? Jews are mad at this would you agree? Why don't we see Jews rioting?
How is that flawed?
Why did inner city Dublin riot last year when the Orange Order came to town?
Rioting is not a preserve of muslims, everyone is capable of it.
NOT OVER A CARTOON!CameronPoe wrote:
Why did the black community riot in LA in the 90s?usmarine2007 wrote:
Ok.....I see your point. Why aren't any people affected by Nazi terror rioting like the muslims riot over a cartoon? Better?oug wrote:
Everyone else, regardless of nationality has as a reason to riot about this as much as Jews do. That's what I'm saying. Why don't you see anyone else rioting? And why do you focus on the reaction of the Jews? Why should Jews be more angry about this than say the Russians?
Why did inner city Dublin riot last year when the Orange Order came to town?
Rioting is not a preserve of muslims, everyone is capable of it.
wine withs hitlers face on it was sold in my city for £6,500
Well put. +1usmarine2007 wrote:
NOT OVER A CARTOON!CameronPoe wrote:
Why did the black community riot in LA in the 90s?usmarine2007 wrote:
Ok.....I see your point. Why aren't any people affected by Nazi terror rioting like the muslims riot over a cartoon? Better?
Why did inner city Dublin riot last year when the Orange Order came to town?
Rioting is not a preserve of muslims, everyone is capable of it.