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Erwin Rommel
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Erwin Rommel
LT. Col. Hal Moore IA Drang Valley, Vietnam
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Eisenhower -- much more than just a military man. He was a master of strategy AND policymaking. We need more presidents like him. He had the military experience to understand the costs and rigors of conflict, but he also had the wisdom to know that corporations (especially ones connected to war) need to be watched closely in their actions to prevent them from circumventing the will of the people.
Also, King Leonidas... The Battle of Thermopylae... THAT was an amazing battle against the odds....
Also, King Leonidas... The Battle of Thermopylae... THAT was an amazing battle against the odds....
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Lol! I actually have the book Taiko! Really good! I think I've read it like 10 times already.silo1180 wrote:
Yes but Taiko never really had to lead as large an army as Nobunaga did. Oda paved the way for Hideyoshi to be able to finish the job. Although I must confess Taiko was a huge influence on Oda, and was the mastermind behind a lot of the treaties and arranged marriages. But Hideyoshi never burned down a mountain because of "evil monks". Nobunaga was ruthless at times, and was the warrior of the two.Gillenator wrote:
I would choose Toyotomi Hideyoshi over Oda Nobunaga.silo1180 wrote:
Oda Nobunaga - United the Warlords creating what is now Japan. But he did it through any means possible. He used force when needed, but he mostly worked with local governments to arrange marriages to unite families, making provinces less likely to resist when he brought his forces in to convice the Warlord to cooperate.
What made him so effective though was he was one of the first military leaders who had studied the Art of War and was able to implement it. This all during a time when guns were first being introduced to Japan, and the nation was beginning to advance technologically. In fact, the first gun was sold to Japan by Portugese traders. A rival Warlord stole the weapon from the person that purchased it. Nobunaga stole the blacksmith (for lack of a better term) who had been taking the gun apart and putting it back together to learn how it worked. By taking the man instead of the gun, they were able to produce more guns before the rivals even understood the weapon.
He eventually had his army surround Kyoto (the capital then) and at his "request" the Emporer walked out of the capital. He massed a huge army consisting of warriors from the provinces, so in the end no force dared rise up against him.
He did all this, then handed the country over to the person the citizens felt was the rightful Emporer.
He started as the sandal bearer of Oda Nobunaga and ended as the unifier of Japan after Oda Nobunaga was killed in 1582 by Akechi Mitsuhide.
For those of you that may be interested... I recommend you read "Taiko" by Eiji Yoshikawa. And another book he wrote "Musashi" is also an excellent read about the life of Miyamoto Musashi one of the best swordsmen ever.
Hideyoshi did command armies and very well I have to say.
Nobunaga was more the warrior where Hideyoshi was more of a strategist with the cunning plans.
I really like this samurai period with such leaders as Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin and many famous warriors.
I actually didn't think there was anyone else here interested in this stuff.
Not a general per se, but Sun Tzu.
Eisenhower, Rommel & Guderian were amongst the best last century.
Alexander Haige & Marshall Petain amongst the worst.
any Russian General that managed to survive Stalin's pogroms & be half decent (eg Zhukov) is worthy of respect.
Alexander Haige & Marshall Petain amongst the worst.
any Russian General that managed to survive Stalin's pogroms & be half decent (eg Zhukov) is worthy of respect.
sun tzu actually brought a book out?R3v4n wrote:
Sun Tzu, The original best, check out his book "The Art of War"
Col Tim Collins OBE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Collins_(soldier)
Capt Blackadder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackadder … Goes_Forth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Collins_(soldier)
Capt Blackadder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackadder … Goes_Forth
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Bullshit. Alexander killed people because of their origin too. If they weren't Greek, they died. I can compare the two because they essentially did the same thing, but because Alexander did it 2000 years ago he's admired for it while Hitler is looked at as the spawn of Satan.sergeriver wrote:
Alexander lived more than 2000 years ago, you can't compare him to Hitler. Alexander was a conqueror, he didn't kill people for pleasure, and Hitler killed millions of people coz of their origin.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
I don't see how you anti war people can admire people who are only remembered for their acts in war. Especially people like ATG who simply attacked people soley for conquest and personal glory. You know who else did that, Hitler.
LostFate wrote:
winston churchill
I've always admired Rommels tactics, hence the username. Also a fan of MacArthur.
Alexander wasn't Greek. Did he kill himself?Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Bullshit. Alexander killed people because of their origin too. If they weren't Greek, they died. I can compare the two because they essentially did the same thing, but because Alexander did it 2000 years ago he's admired for it while Hitler is looked at as the spawn of Satan.sergeriver wrote:
Alexander lived more than 2000 years ago, you can't compare him to Hitler. Alexander was a conqueror, he didn't kill people for pleasure, and Hitler killed millions of people coz of their origin.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
I don't see how you anti war people can admire people who are only remembered for their acts in war. Especially people like ATG who simply attacked people soley for conquest and personal glory. You know who else did that, Hitler.
I don't know if you are attacking ATG or defending Hitler or both things.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Bullshit. Alexander killed people because of their origin too. If they weren't Greek, they died. I can compare the two because they essentially did the same thing, but because Alexander did it 2000 years ago he's admired for it while Hitler is looked at as the spawn of Satan.sergeriver wrote:
Alexander lived more than 2000 years ago, you can't compare him to Hitler. Alexander was a conqueror, he didn't kill people for pleasure, and Hitler killed millions of people coz of their origin.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
I don't see how you anti war people can admire people who are only remembered for their acts in war. Especially people like ATG who simply attacked people soley for conquest and personal glory. You know who else did that, Hitler.
Alexander the Man helped spread Latin which greately helped the spread of Christianity apperently.
Here is one interesting man:
Josip Broz TITO
He was one of the founders of Non Aligned Movement which despite many failures proved to be very important during the Cold War.
Here is one interesting man:
Josip Broz TITO
He was one of the founders of Non Aligned Movement which despite many failures proved to be very important during the Cold War.
Go you, I think your one of the few people who actually know what ATG stands for.ghettoperson wrote:
Alexander the Grape.
I was gonna try to stop at 3 generals for the Allies but....Macarthur was a great general, his policy in Korea screwed him, I agree the war should have been exteneded into China with airstrikes but his idea of a radioactive barrier was just to dangerous. Eisenhower was pretty good as well, dont like what he did in his presidency though, brought back the idea of wars fought by nuclear weapons only, bad thing. He did a amazing job and keeping the Alliance together over in Europe, amazing.R3v4n wrote:
Im surprised you didn't vote for General Macarthur, IMO he was better then Gen. Patton. Its said that he studied Sun Tzu's book, and he also stopped the Koreans after WWII, HE also helped rebuild Japan.
Would you agree that Macarthur is a better General then Patton?
Also what are your thoughts on Eisenhower?
Cant fight a limited war.
Yeah, though I would have really liked to see the general that was supposed to take over British Commonwealth forces in Africa have taken over, he seemed much better then Monty, too bad he got killed in a crash(airplane I think).Bertster7 wrote:
Nothing wrong with generals being egotistical maniacs. Just so long as they're not as shit as say........ Field Marshall Hague.Commie Killer wrote:
Im gonna get a lot of flak for this but Montgomery was a shitty commander, the bastard was a egotistical maniac, so was Patton, but at least Patton admitted it. He did great in North Africa, but after that......
Based on North Africa performance alone, I'd have to say Richard O'Connor was the best. Operation Compass was wildly successful against overwhelming odds. His victories before Monty arrived and long before Patton arrived ensured that North Africa could be taken, which meant Italy could easily be attacked by sea, which was crucial to allied victory.
A pencil up each nostril, underpants on the head, saying "Wibble".
Oh Macarthur, I remember that ego-ridden wanker.Commie Killer wrote:
I was gonna try to stop at 3 generals for the Allies but....Macarthur was a great general, his policy in Korea screwed him, I agree the war should have been exteneded into China with airstrikes but his idea of a radioactive barrier was just to dangerous. Eisenhower was pretty good as well, dont like what he did in his presidency though, brought back the idea of wars fought by nuclear weapons only, bad thing. He did a amazing job and keeping the Alliance together over in Europe, amazing.R3v4n wrote:
Im surprised you didn't vote for General Macarthur, IMO he was better then Gen. Patton. Its said that he studied Sun Tzu's book, and he also stopped the Koreans after WWII, HE also helped rebuild Japan.
Would you agree that Macarthur is a better General then Patton?
Also what are your thoughts on Eisenhower?
Days after Pearl Harbour he was responsible for what air forces there were available in the Phillipines, failed to take precautions and lost the lot to a Jap bombing raid.
Promised he would hold at Bataan, then fucked off and left the troops to be massacred, with no supplies and no support, while he pissed off to Melbourne with his entourage, and stayed there for YEARS.
Suggested that Australians were lacking the will to fight at Buna while his undertrained and inexperienced troops were getting whipped, our militia boys, with bugger-all training and supplies, were the first troops to give the Japs a beating in WW2.
Meanwhile his agents in the States were agitating for him to be promoted to Supreme Commander over Eisenhower. That would have been a huge tragedy for Allied forces.....
Patton .................... enough said
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Chesty Puller
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General Siilasvuo who, vastly outnumbered, defeated the Soviet army at Suomussalmi during the Winter War (1939-1940).
MacArthur and Patton were egotistical bastards who should never have had the lives of men entrusted to them.
MacArthur and Patton were egotistical bastards who should never have had the lives of men entrusted to them.
Let's see.... great generals.....
Erwin Rommel
William Tecumseh Sherman
Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
Erwin Rommel
William Tecumseh Sherman
Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
Hannibal , Caesar , Yamamoto , Fisher ,Rommel , Suvorov , 1st russian emperor Peter I ( the Great ), Winston Churchill , Tirpiz , Bismark and many-many other . No particular order ..
p/s I'd say the greatest is Hannibal . He was fighting against decent enemy for twenty years on their territory .
p/s I'd say the greatest is Hannibal . He was fighting against decent enemy for twenty years on their territory .
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Rommel & Michael Wittman, but don't know if he was a leader though:o
Well he was good in tank:)
Well he was good in tank:)
Man , he was just statpadding Those american tanks he shot down were so crap ... no chances against Wittman's Pz.VIBMushroomcar wrote:
Michael Wittman, but don't know if he was a leader though:o
Well he was good in tank:)