Varegg
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I knew that !

Not the actual numbers but that it happend i asume is common knowledge amongst Europeans ... i hope !
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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Varegg wrote:

I knew that !

Not the actual numbers but that it happend i asume is common knowledge amongst Europeans ... i hope !
I knew about the piracy and taking some folks to Africa, but a million?
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
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sergeriver wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I knew that !

Not the actual numbers but that it happend i asume is common knowledge amongst Europeans ... i hope !
I knew about the piracy and taking some folks to Africa, but a million?
A million seems high but i dont know, and not only to Africa but heaps disappeared into the middle east as well .... and its a timespan of 250 years, 4.000 pr year doesn`t seem that much.

The slave trade from Africa must have been a higher number pr year me thinks ...
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Stingray24
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[sarcasm] I demand reparations from North Africans to families of the millions of Europeans that were enslaved![/sarcasm]
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6533|Πάϊ

Varegg wrote:

I knew that !

Not the actual numbers but that it happend i asume is common knowledge amongst Europeans ... i hope !
I guess it is common knowledge... but a million? Sounds awful lot... Could be though... who knows.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6615|132 and Bush

Small beans compared to what the Romans did .
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Orgtheone
Member
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An American historian says that more than a million Europeans were enslaved by North African slave traders between 1530 and 1780, a time of vigorous Mediterranean and Atlantic coastal piracy.
    The number of white European slaves is only a fraction of the trade that brought 10 million to 12 million black African slaves to the Americas over a 400-year period, historian Robert Davis says, but his research shows the slave trade was more widespread than commonly assumed. The impact on Europe's white population was significant.
    "One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature — that only blacks have been slaves. But that is not true," said Mr. Davis, an Ohio State University professor.
    "Enslavement was a very real possibility for anyone who traveled in the Mediterranean, or who lived along the shores in places like Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, and even as far north as England and Iceland."
    In a new book, "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800," Mr. Davis calculates that between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by pirates called "corsairs" and forced to work in North Africa during that period.
    The raids were so aggressive that entire Mediterranean seaside towns were abandoned by frightened residents. "Much of what has been written gives the impression that there were not many slaves and minimizes the impact that slavery had on Europe.
    "Most accounts only look at slavery in one place, or only for a short period of time. But when you take a broader, longer view, the massive scope of this slavery and its powerful impact become clear."
    The pirates, sailing from such cities as Tunis and Algiers, raided ships in the Mediterranean and Atlantic as well as seaside villages to capture men, women and children, he says. They were put to work in quarries, in heavy construction and as oarsmen in the pirates' galleys.
    Mr. Davis calculated his estimates using records that indicate how many slaves were at a particular location at a single time. He then estimated how many new slaves it would take to replace slaves as they died, escaped or were ransomed.
    "It is not the best way to make population estimates, but it is the only way with the limited records available."




But when Have Americans Ever got anything right about history
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6615|132 and Bush

Orgtheone wrote:

An American historian says that more than a million Europeans were enslaved by North African slave traders between 1530 and 1780, a time of vigorous Mediterranean and Atlantic coastal piracy.
    The number of white European slaves is only a fraction of the trade that brought 10 million to 12 million black African slaves to the Americas over a 400-year period, historian Robert Davis says, but his research shows the slave trade was more widespread than commonly assumed. The impact on Europe's white population was significant.
    "One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature — that only blacks have been slaves. But that is not true," said Mr. Davis, an Ohio State University professor.
    "Enslavement was a very real possibility for anyone who traveled in the Mediterranean, or who lived along the shores in places like Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, and even as far north as England and Iceland."
    In a new book, "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800," Mr. Davis calculates that between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by pirates called "corsairs" and forced to work in North Africa during that period.
    The raids were so aggressive that entire Mediterranean seaside towns were abandoned by frightened residents. "Much of what has been written gives the impression that there were not many slaves and minimizes the impact that slavery had on Europe.
    "Most accounts only look at slavery in one place, or only for a short period of time. But when you take a broader, longer view, the massive scope of this slavery and its powerful impact become clear."
    The pirates, sailing from such cities as Tunis and Algiers, raided ships in the Mediterranean and Atlantic as well as seaside villages to capture men, women and children, he says. They were put to work in quarries, in heavy construction and as oarsmen in the pirates' galleys.
    Mr. Davis calculated his estimates using records that indicate how many slaves were at a particular location at a single time. He then estimated how many new slaves it would take to replace slaves as they died, escaped or were ransomed.
    "It is not the best way to make population estimates, but it is the only way with the limited records available."




But when Have Americans Ever got anything right about history
use rite weez amuricains dount knowz much.
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Mitch
16 more years
+877|6539|South Florida
So wait, black people also enslaved white people!??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
OMG next time i hear a black guy talk about his 'ancestors being slaves' im gunna burn him with that fact!!!!
15 more years! 15 more years!
Orgtheone
Member
+30|6677|The Dark Side Of The Moon
100 great british pounds bet that the American historian was black

propaganda
BVC
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White history month?
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6539|South Florida

Pubic wrote:

White history month?
15 more years! 15 more years!
Kmar
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zeidmaan
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Dezerteagal5 wrote:

So wait, black people also enslaved white people!??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
OMG next time i hear a black guy talk about his 'ancestors being slaves' im gunna burn him with that fact!!!!
I wouldnt recommend doing that since its quite stupid.
Anyway im more worryed about the massive slavery going on today than that of "once upon a time".
But still an interesting subject to read about. Ill probably get my hands on this book:
http://www.amazon.de/White-Slaves-Afric … 0226034046

same subject matter but for some reason more apealing (from the recensions and comments I read). The one by C.Davis apperently puts too much on religion and tries to make it a religious conflict. I think it was more about "manpower". People (everywhere) needed people (from anyywhere) to work for them for free.
I could be wrong about C.Davis but I honestly dont care
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|6778

zeidmaan wrote:

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

So wait, black people also enslaved white people!??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
OMG next time i hear a black guy talk about his 'ancestors being slaves' im gunna burn him with that fact!!!!
I wouldnt recommend doing that since its quite stupid.
Anyway im more worryed about the massive slavery going on today than that of "once upon a time".
But still an interesting subject to read about. Ill probably get my hands on this book:
http://www.amazon.de/White-Slaves-Afric … 0226034046

same subject matter but for some reason more apealing (from the recensions and comments I read). The one by C.Davis apperently puts too much on religion and tries to make it a religious conflict. I think it was more about "manpower". People (everywhere) needed people (from anyywhere) to work for them for free.
I could be wrong about C.Davis but I honestly dont care
Why is it quite stupid?  Because no one wants to hear the other side of it.  No one wants to hear how only 10 to 15% of the slaves in the Southern U.S. were on plantations.  How for the most part they were treated quite. (Who would pay for something only to destroy it, realisticly) And that Africans were enslaving both whites and blacks purely for the economic gains.  They would raid any village or town no matter what color the people because that meant more money in their coffers.

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