we should send the bush twins...
too pissed.CommieChipmunk wrote:
we should send the bush twins...
Maybe if they volunteer. Or do you want to bring back the draft?CommieChipmunk wrote:
we should send the bush twins...
They should volunteer. Its for a good cause dont forget.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Maybe if they volunteer. Or do you want to bring back the draft?CommieChipmunk wrote:
we should send the bush twins...
He's dumb!
About damn time we started to withdraw. The military needs a budget cut and more should be invested in our navies and air force.
I wouldn't feel safe being around two drunks with guns.CommieChipmunk wrote:
we should send the bush twins...
I think we would all love to withdrawal. I'm afraid of what will happen with a void of military presence though. It may seem bad now but I foresee a humanitarian disaster when the troops are gone. So you see you get damned either way. We will be blamed for staying and for leaving. The Iraqi's need to take over, they are not prepared for this. The US/UK are holding their hands for as long as they can. Secretary of State Rice has recently told the Prime Minister of Iraq the the US support is not indefinite as well.Vilham wrote:
About damn time we started to withdraw. The military needs a budget cut and more should be invested in our navies and air force.
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I sense a touch of the Gordon Brown handover about this....
Eh, we left Somalia, and although Billary was blamed at the time, no one really scolds the US about leaving that place. Somalia and Iraq have huge similarities, why should we play the part of the Iraq peacekeepers if a lot of people there don't want us there?Kmarion wrote:
I think we would all love to withdrawal. I'm afraid of what will happen with a void of military presence though. It may seem bad now but I foresee a humanitarian disaster when the troops are gone. So you see you get damned either way. We will be blamed for staying and for leaving. The Iraqi's need to take over, they are not prepared for this. The US/UK are holding their hands for as long as they can. Secretary of State Rice has recently told the Prime Minister of Iraq the the US support is not indefinite as well.Vilham wrote:
About damn time we started to withdraw. The military needs a budget cut and more should be invested in our navies and air force.
And "borrowed time" is a threat. "US support is not indefinite" is merely a bad euphemism for that.
But Somalia doesn't have an economic interest like Iraq does.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Eh, we left Somalia, and although Billary was blamed at the time, no one really scolds the US about leaving that place. Somalia and Iraq have huge similarities, why should we play the part of the Iraq peacekeepers if a lot of people there don't want us there?Kmarion wrote:
I think we would all love to withdrawal. I'm afraid of what will happen with a void of military presence though. It may seem bad now but I foresee a humanitarian disaster when the troops are gone. So you see you get damned either way. We will be blamed for staying and for leaving. The Iraqi's need to take over, they are not prepared for this. The US/UK are holding their hands for as long as they can. Secretary of State Rice has recently told the Prime Minister of Iraq the the US support is not indefinite as well.Vilham wrote:
About damn time we started to withdraw. The military needs a budget cut and more should be invested in our navies and air force.
And "borrowed time" is a threat. "US support is not indefinite" is merely a bad euphemism for that.
Not to mention Somalia and Iraq are two entirely different situations. We went in to Somalia as part of a UN humanitarian effort. We did not go in there and remove it's infrastructure, military, and government.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
But Somalia doesn't have an economic interest like Iraq does.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Eh, we left Somalia, and although Billary was blamed at the time, no one really scolds the US about leaving that place. Somalia and Iraq have huge similarities, why should we play the part of the Iraq peacekeepers if a lot of people there don't want us there?Kmarion wrote:
I think we would all love to withdrawal. I'm afraid of what will happen with a void of military presence though. It may seem bad now but I foresee a humanitarian disaster when the troops are gone. So you see you get damned either way. We will be blamed for staying and for leaving. The Iraqi's need to take over, they are not prepared for this. The US/UK are holding their hands for as long as they can. Secretary of State Rice has recently told the Prime Minister of Iraq the the US support is not indefinite as well.
And "borrowed time" is a threat. "US support is not indefinite" is merely a bad euphemism for that.
And to the above post "economic interest". The US will never recoup the money it has poured into Iraq.
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Right-OKmarion wrote:
And to the above post "economic interest". The US will never recoup the money it has poured into Iraq.
Some fat-ass Iraqi politicians made sure of that when they just *poof* disappeared with heaps of that $ !
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They are different as far as the development of the two nations.
They are extremely similar in the traditional tribal aspects of the countries. One of the reasons we could get nowhere in Somalia is citizen distrust with the occupying force, much like Iraq. Add in the fact there are/were multiple factions vying for power, and you have a very similar political/social climate.
And yeah, being on the Horn of Africa at pretty much the closest point to the world's energy supply definitely equates to zero economic interest.
edit: And as far as recouping the monies dumped into Iraq, we must not forget that US corporations are receiving the monies we "dumped" into Iraq, but they don't pay much (if any) Corporate Tax. We may see some if you subscribe to "trickle down" economics in the form of CEOs buying jets and other luxury goods.
As far as the 600+ tons of cold hard cash we straight pallet dropped into Iraq, yeah, we probably won't see that anytime soon. Same as happened in Afghanistan. You would think we would learn from our mistakes.
They are extremely similar in the traditional tribal aspects of the countries. One of the reasons we could get nowhere in Somalia is citizen distrust with the occupying force, much like Iraq. Add in the fact there are/were multiple factions vying for power, and you have a very similar political/social climate.
And yeah, being on the Horn of Africa at pretty much the closest point to the world's energy supply definitely equates to zero economic interest.
edit: And as far as recouping the monies dumped into Iraq, we must not forget that US corporations are receiving the monies we "dumped" into Iraq, but they don't pay much (if any) Corporate Tax. We may see some if you subscribe to "trickle down" economics in the form of CEOs buying jets and other luxury goods.
As far as the 600+ tons of cold hard cash we straight pallet dropped into Iraq, yeah, we probably won't see that anytime soon. Same as happened in Afghanistan. You would think we would learn from our mistakes.
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Why didnt Chelsea Clinton volunteer to go to Bosnia or Somalia. . .
All you libs are bashing the Bush twins (for not going to Iraq), her dad (Bill asshole Clinton) thought those endeavors were for a good cause. . . . you libs certainly supported Slick Willy and his war mongering. .
All you libs are bashing the Bush twins (for not going to Iraq), her dad (Bill asshole Clinton) thought those endeavors were for a good cause. . . . you libs certainly supported Slick Willy and his war mongering. .
Or maybe she could have joined us in Northern Africa and seen babies heads chopped off. (1997)fadedsteve wrote:
Why didnt Chelsea Clinton volunteer to go to Bosnia or Somalia. . .
All you libs are bashing the Bush twins (for not going to Iraq), her dad (Bill asshole Clinton) thought those endeavors were for a good cause. . . . you libs certainly supported Slick Willy and his war mongering. .
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And turn it into a reality show! Now I would watch that.CommieChipmunk wrote:
we should send the bush twins...
*At the end of ever episode the twins call there father and beg him to get them home, he tells them "It's gods will, now go SURGE!*
Again, we did not remove the government and military in Somalia. That is a glaring fact that can not be conveniently stepped around.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
They are different as far as the development of the two nations.
They are extremely similar in the traditional tribal aspects of the countries. One of the reasons we could get nowhere in Somalia is citizen distrust with the occupying force, much like Iraq. Add in the fact there are/were multiple factions vying for power, and you have a very similar political/social climate.
And yeah, being on the Horn of Africa at pretty much the closest point to the world's energy supply definitely equates to zero economic interest.
edit: And as far as recouping the monies dumped into Iraq, we must not forget that US corporations are receiving the monies we "dumped" into Iraq, but they don't pay much (if any) Corporate Tax. We may see some if you subscribe to "trickle down" economics in the form of CEOs buying jets and other luxury goods.
As far as the 600+ tons of cold hard cash we straight pallet dropped into Iraq, yeah, we probably won't see that anytime soon. Same as happened in Afghanistan. You would think we would learn from our mistakes.
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Yes, we did not remove them. There was a military coup with numerous tribal leaders claiming power. There was no military there.Kmarion wrote:
Again, we did not remove the government and military in Somalia. That is a glaring fact that can not be conveniently stepped around.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
They are different as far as the development of the two nations.
They are extremely similar in the traditional tribal aspects of the countries. One of the reasons we could get nowhere in Somalia is citizen distrust with the occupying force, much like Iraq. Add in the fact there are/were multiple factions vying for power, and you have a very similar political/social climate.
And yeah, being on the Horn of Africa at pretty much the closest point to the world's energy supply definitely equates to zero economic interest.
edit: And as far as recouping the monies dumped into Iraq, we must not forget that US corporations are receiving the monies we "dumped" into Iraq, but they don't pay much (if any) Corporate Tax. We may see some if you subscribe to "trickle down" economics in the form of CEOs buying jets and other luxury goods.
As far as the 600+ tons of cold hard cash we straight pallet dropped into Iraq, yeah, we probably won't see that anytime soon. Same as happened in Afghanistan. You would think we would learn from our mistakes.
Is it your suggestion that a major reason we are in Iraq is to stabilize their military/police force and Government?
If we want to help keep their government stable why is our Administration telling the elected leaders they are on "borrowed time"? That doesn't sound too reassuring to me.
As far as their police/military force, as long as you have the Iraqi people joining the military/police force for a paycheck and not for more ideological reasons, we will get nowhere.
Do you work for a paycheck?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
As far as their police/military force, as long as you have the Iraqi people joining the military/police force for a paycheck and not for more ideological reasons, we will get nowhere.
Yes, I think we are trying to stablize their military/police force. One obvious reason I would say this is the fact that we are spending an incredible amount of time training them and providing them with the weapons/tools they need to do their job.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes, we did not remove them. There was a military coup with numerous tribal leaders claiming power. There was no military there.Kmarion wrote:
Again, we did not remove the government and military in Somalia. That is a glaring fact that can not be conveniently stepped around.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
They are different as far as the development of the two nations.
They are extremely similar in the traditional tribal aspects of the countries. One of the reasons we could get nowhere in Somalia is citizen distrust with the occupying force, much like Iraq. Add in the fact there are/were multiple factions vying for power, and you have a very similar political/social climate.
And yeah, being on the Horn of Africa at pretty much the closest point to the world's energy supply definitely equates to zero economic interest.
edit: And as far as recouping the monies dumped into Iraq, we must not forget that US corporations are receiving the monies we "dumped" into Iraq, but they don't pay much (if any) Corporate Tax. We may see some if you subscribe to "trickle down" economics in the form of CEOs buying jets and other luxury goods.
As far as the 600+ tons of cold hard cash we straight pallet dropped into Iraq, yeah, we probably won't see that anytime soon. Same as happened in Afghanistan. You would think we would learn from our mistakes.
Is it your suggestion that a major reason we are in Iraq is to stabilize their military/police force and Government?
If we want to help keep their government stable why is our Administration telling the elected leaders they are on "borrowed time"? That doesn't sound too reassuring to me.
As far as their police/military force, as long as you have the Iraqi people joining the military/police force for a paycheck and not for more ideological reasons, we will get nowhere.
They are telling them they are on borrowed time to try and encourage them to step up their efforts.
That is pretty presumptions of you to assume the only reason people are joining the military is for a paycheck. I think you have been sipping on John Kerry's Kool aide a bit too much.
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I can't make broad generalizations about all the Iraqi people, but it from what I gather through seeing video and reading stories is that the broad majority are not serving in the Iraq Police or Military for altruistic reasons. They are doing it because it can support their family. As soon as something better comes along (like an insurgent recruiter offering them much more than their paycheck is) they will leave.
Yes, USMarine, I work for a paycheck. Please tell me you joined the USMC for a paycheck, too. I know my brother and Dad didn't.
Yes, USMarine, I work for a paycheck. Please tell me you joined the USMC for a paycheck, too. I know my brother and Dad didn't.
I guess it is a value judgment. I can't see taking a job for a paycheck in which there is a very good likelihood someone will try to kill me or my family if I didn't have a desire to secure my country and make it more livable in the future.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I can't make broad generalizations about all the Iraqi people, but it from what I gather through seeing video and reading stories is that the broad majority are not serving in the Iraq Police or Military for altruistic reasons. They are doing it because it can support their family. As soon as something better comes along (like an insurgent recruiter offering them much more than their paycheck is) they will leave.
Yes, USMarine, I work for a paycheck. Please tell me you joined the USMC for a paycheck, too. I know my brother and Dad didn't.
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Exactly.CommieChipmunk wrote:
we should send the bush twins...