<BoTM>J_Aero
Qualified Expert
+62|6895|Melbourne - Home of Football
The idea was originally proposed by the Lebanese Muslim Association and other senior Australian Islamic clerics, including Ameer Ali, former head of the Prime Minister's Muslim reference group. It has now attracted the attention and backing of NSW Premier Morris Iemma and PM, John Howard.

The idea is centered upon the hope that flying the flag would symbolise 'Integration' and 'Pride' at being both Australian, and Muslim. The Lebanese Muslim Association says the plan should become mandatory for all new churches, mosques and other places of worship built, but that it should be funded by the Federal Government. The spokesman from the Islamic Friendship Association, Keysar Trad, said "There is no nationality before God", that this would politicise places of worship, and that there was no need for such a measure.

I personally think the plan reeks of political symbolism, and a poor attempt to cover over the cracks that are appearing between some in the Muslim community and what could loosely be called "mainstream Australia". The rule of law in Australia will always come into conflict with the more extreme branches of Islam, like Wahaabism, which dictates that listening to music and looking at photographs or drawings containing people are forbidden.

Mandating the flying of the Australian Flag at places of worship is something that would fail to develop the strong ties needed between Australians of all nationalities. Having an Australian flag flying over a church, or mosque or synagogue, has no real effect on the people that worship inside.

News Sources:
Radio National:
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/s … 850364.htm
SMH:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/ … 74015.html
Mongoose
That 70's guy
+156|6960|Sydney, in 1978
No it should not be.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7030|132 and Bush

Mongoose wrote:

No it should not be.
He makes a good point...lol
Xbone Stormsurgezz
BVC
Member
+325|7125
Why are there so many lebanese in Australia anyway?
velocitychaos
Member
+26|6926|Brisbane Australia
Hell yeah....."when in rome....."
cospengle
Member
+140|6916|Armidale, NSW, Australia
If they're Australian and they want to fly the flag they should.

I hate pricks (like the guy who organised "The Big Day Out") who discourage people from fly the flag. If you ask me, it's a god given right...

...except I don't believe in god or rights.
Sentinel
Cheeseburger Connoisseur
+145|7087|Australia

cospengle wrote:

If they're Australian and they want to fly the flag they should.

I hate pricks (like the guy who organised "The Big Day Out") who discourage people from fly the flag. If you ask me, it's a god given right...

...except I don't believe in god or rights.
hahaha yeah, that big day out thing was hilarious - although since the cronulla riots the australian flag seems to be used as gang colours.

i was tempted to rock up with a lebanese flag, but then i decided that i wasnt suicidal.
cospengle
Member
+140|6916|Armidale, NSW, Australia
hehe yeah that would be taking it too far.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7104|Canberra, AUS
One of the other muslim leaders made a good point: doing this would politicize the mosques and their communities - and aren't they political enough already?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
RavyGravy
Son.
+617|6835|NSW, Australia

Pubic wrote:

Why are there so many lebanese in Australia anyway?
because their country sucks compared to ours.
Fenix14
scout rush kekeke ^___^
+116|6986|Brisbane, Aus

it shouldn't be forced on them but they're free to do so as far as i'm concerned
I_SUCK_999
2 old & slow to pwnd U
+5|6877|Alice Springs
Australia is a FREE country - If they don't like our way of life - their FREE to leave !
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6991
It shouldn't be mandatory, but perhaps the government should at least subsidise any church, or indeed any building, which wants to display the flag.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7145

Spark wrote:

One of the other muslim leaders made a good point: doing this would politicize the mosques and their communities - and aren't they political enough already?
I doubt waving a flag of the land you live in has anything to do with politics. I actually have a mosque near my house (one of three in Taiwan) and they waved the Taiwanese flag. But Imo, up to them, if they want to it's ok, if they don't want to, freedom of speech imo.
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Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6991

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

I doubt waving a flag of the land you live in has anything to do with politics.
Yes, it does.  Patriotism is a political sentiment, even if there's nothing else involved.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio
Yes it should.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6958|Global Command
Yes.


+1 the the Lebanese Muslim Association and other senior Australian Islamic clerics.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7145

Bubbalo wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

I doubt waving a flag of the land you live in has anything to do with politics.
Yes, it does.  Patriotism is a political sentiment, even if there's nothing else involved.
What if it was meant for respect?
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Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6991
ATG:  Yes it should be flown, or yes it should be required?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6958|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG:  Yes it should be flown, or yes it should be required?
In America, religious buildings are usually tax exempt. As part of the deal, official or not, you will usually find a flag somewhere.

I say require it. Or better yet, it's a chance for the local Muslims to integrate, or seem to, they should see it as a good idea.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6991
What happened to supporting freedom and democracy?  You can be free and democratic so long as you do what we say?  Sounds a little like you can have any colour you like so long as it's black, to me.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6958|Global Command
Some sort of allegence to the state is expected.
A display of the flag is a cost of doing business when I am dictator.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7145
How about Tax them if they don't wave the flag? On ALL religious buildings.
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cMD-RR
Member
+17|6717
i dont like muslims
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6991

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

How about Tax them if they don't wave the flag? On ALL religious buildings.
Why?  Why should a religious institution be expected to pay homage to a state.  Religion transcends national boundaries, and it's beliefs transcend this plain of existence.

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