I suppose you feel the same way about abortion that I feel about war. I would never vote for Guiliani because he's a warmonger.Smitty5613 wrote:
ya, and hes pro-abortion, so im not voting for himTurquoise wrote:
You can be a liberal Republican... That's what Guiliani is. He's liberal on most social issues, which is why he is technically a moderate Libertarian.Tompie913 wrote:
Yes. And on '08, I want Obama to win
If he had shot them when they attacked him, it would have been self defense. If he had come back after they beat him up and he shot them, thet would be escalation of violence. There is a big difference.PureFodder wrote:
For the same reason after slapping the shit out of them it's illegal for them to knife the shit out of you. Escalation of violence is not the way forward.deeznutz1245 wrote:
So I was out with my wife the other night because we had the rare occurance of the grandparents babysitting for us. Coming out of the mall we encountered some punks in their early twenties loitering outside the mall entrance. One of them said " yo my man, let me get a cigarette" and then I replied "I dont have any". Even though I did he didnt know that and then he said " well you better get some or you'll get knocked out in front of your bitch". To which I turned around and replied " go fuck off you 6th grade drop out". I am sure I dont have to tell you that him and his friends were clearly looking for a fight and now had found one. They began to approach me and I opened my jacket rocking my sidearm out of its level 2 holster and all of a sudden they were no longer tough. Now, my question is this: when is it acceptable to to just beat the shit out of someone for just being an asshole? I would have lost, I was outnumbered 5 to 1, so I was taking no chances but if it were only two of them (and the wife wasnt there) I would have made it interesting. To make this serious, why do people get away with being punks and why do we not get to slap the shit out of them without getting arrested?
Sorry I havent been adding to my own thread, had to run to work for a bit. Listen, the fact is that I am a responsible gun owner. There are such things and they usually vote republican. The situation could have been much worse if I .......A) did not have my firearm B) acted irresponsibly and started waving it around or C) attempted to engage in a fight I could not possibly win and let them turn my own gun on me and my wife. I hate to say to all of the liberals that the situation was defused because of my right to bear arms. Actually, I love to say it.
Malloy must go
usmarine2007 wrote:
Smitty5613 wrote:
deeznutz1245 wrote:
It was an interesting gambit. All five of them could've had guns as well (the demand for cigarettes being a front for a bit of rolling). If he hadn't drawn, he would've been at a clear disadvantage if they began to. However, he might've been attacked had he merely walked off without acknowledging them, and a cell phone in his hand dialing 911 would've been a handicap.Major_Spittle wrote:
LOL, kind of a dumb move on your part. You are the reason you have to take a class in many counties before you can get a conceiled weapon permit.
Perhaps people should be verbally abusing the punks who do this rather than picking away at someone who didn't even shoot.
Hurricane wrote:
This would be a decent topic if it wasn't for the quote pyramids.
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I think the way you used your gun (and your second ammendment) was the perfect example of why you have the freedom to do that. I AM LIBERAL, and I often don't agree with the Right to Bare Arms, but I realize this is because many of the people that do, do it incorrectly and you get either an escalation of violence or a death of an innocent or both. Your gun and you saved yourself, your wife and after the incident those *h*t-heads probably left and went home.
I hope other fellow liberals will see that not all the people that want to, or do, bare arms use them incorrectly. Thank you sir!
I hope other fellow liberals will see that not all the people that want to, or do, bare arms use them incorrectly. Thank you sir!
It is people like you who represent your party well, and deserve the admiration of your counterparts. +1pirana6 wrote:
I think the way you used your gun (and your second ammendment) was the perfect example of why you have the freedom to do that. I AM LIBERAL, and I often don't agree with the Right to Bare Arms, but I realize this is because many of the people that do, do it incorrectly and you get either an escalation of violence or a death of an innocent or both. Your gun and you saved yourself, your wife and after the incident those *h*t-heads probably left and went home.
I hope other fellow liberals will see that not all the people that want to, or do, bare arms use them incorrectly. Thank you sir!
Malloy must go
Your gun must have at least 6 or more rounds of bullets,
only 5 scumbags - hell a good shot would not even need to reload !
and you would have done the peace loving World a good deed
only 5 scumbags - hell a good shot would not even need to reload !
and you would have done the peace loving World a good deed
Actually 15 rounds to be exact. Glock 19c. The "c" stands for compensated, which means it has been ported for less muzzle climb. Excellent firearm.SuperMike wrote:
Your gun must have at least 6 or more rounds of bullets,
only 5 scumbags - hell a good shot would not even need to reload !
and you would have done the peace loving World a good deed
Malloy must go
Ooohhh sounds good can you show me a pic.?deeznutz1245 wrote:
Actually 15 rounds to be exact. Glock 19c. The "c" stands for compensated, which means it has been ported for less muzzle climb. Excellent firearm.SuperMike wrote:
Your gun must have at least 6 or more rounds of bullets,
only 5 scumbags - hell a good shot would not even need to reload !
and you would have done the peace loving World a good deed
look at mine
http://www.umarex.com/index.php?id=prod … 668c887eaa
shame it aint real
What the fuck is with (a lot of) Americans and the whole "god damned lib/con" thing? Someone pisses you off and its "what a commie liberal!" or "what a conservative redneck!"...whatever happened to "what an arsehole!"?
And more importantly, why the fuck has asking for a cigarette become code for "wanna fight?" or "we're going to rob you!" ????
Good on you for sticking up for yourself!
And more importantly, why the fuck has asking for a cigarette become code for "wanna fight?" or "we're going to rob you!" ????
Good on you for sticking up for yourself!
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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I think you did the right thing, no ifs ands or buts about it. +1 to you kind sir for reducing the crime rate!!
exactly there is nothing wrong with it aslong as he only uses it when he needs to and from what i hear he did exactly what any smart person wouldSmitty5613 wrote:
good man, good man....... using his right to bear arms the right waydeeznutz1245 wrote:
I have my concealed weapon permit already and if they had engaged me I would have used it. How is that dumb again? A licensed, trained permitee protecting his family from unwarranted violence?Major_Spittle wrote:
LOL, kind of a dumb move on your part. You are the reason you have to take a class in many counties before you can get a conceiled weapon permit.
IF THIS WAS MOTHER RUSSIA - we would line faggets like them up in the street and shoot em in the head 1 by 1 ...
AWW GOTTA LOVE DAT MOTHER LAND JUSTICE
You never did answer my questions. Why the silence?deeznutz1245 wrote:
I have my concealed weapon permit already and if they had engaged me I would have used it. How is that dumb again? A licensed, trained permitee protecting his family from unwarranted violence?Major_Spittle wrote:
LOL, kind of a dumb move on your part. You are the reason you have to take a class in many counties before you can get a conceiled weapon permit.
Malloy must go
deeznutz1245 wrote:
I have my concealed weapon permit already and if they had engaged me I would have used it. How is that dumb again? A licensed, trained permitee protecting his family from unwarranted violence?Major_Spittle wrote:
LOL, kind of a dumb move on your part. You are the reason you have to take a class in many counties before you can get a conceiled weapon permit.
1. Provoking 5 punks already looking for a fight while your girl is with you is dumb.deeznutz1245 wrote:
I turned around and replied " go fuck off you 6th grade drop out".
2. You were carrying a gun, what on earth are you thinking to say something to provoke them back. Are YOU looking for a fight too. Never show your gun, pull it out and use it when you need too.
3. Showing 5 "punks" you have a gun. I am sure they value their lives much less than you do yours. If any of them had a gun you could have been toast as soon as you opened your jacket, wtf if one of them opened their jacket exposing a gun would you have been pulling iron or waiting to see if it is show and tell?
4. If they didn't have guns, you just taught 5 punks how COOL it would be to have a gun and how THEY need one now.
Just didn't handle it the way I would have, having a gun I would avoid a fight at all cost. Hard to fist fight while carrying a gun, therefore any fight would get escalated into a shooting unless you want to risk getting shot by your own gun.
When in doubt, empty the mag. i love saying that. all you had to do was "attempt to flee" if they followed, refer to the begining of this post.
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Where I am all for the right to bear arm and firearms in this country.. My only issue with what you did was escalation.. They asked you for a smoke, you said nope(which is your right) they said better buy some or they'll knock you out. You escalated it with Go fuck yourself and pulled a firearm?
What happened after, did they leave? Did you walk backwards to your car and drive away? In this case it doesn't have to do with the right to carrier weapons, it has to do with protection of one self. What if these kids had a firearm in there car, went back and got it while you were walking to your car? You already showed them that you were armed and probably hurt there tough guy pride..
IMO you could have escalted this into a shotout at the mall.. I had a similar experance a couple months back where 10 kids tried to jump me and a friend, we just stoped to fight, told them we had no money and where going to take there's, and got away with out a battle. I also live in a infy part of Jersey so if I did pull a gun, they would have probably went and got there's and come looking for me, or pulled there's and I would have had to shot them.. But training and learning different fighting technices since I was 7 you learn how to disarm and advoid fights.
What happened after, did they leave? Did you walk backwards to your car and drive away? In this case it doesn't have to do with the right to carrier weapons, it has to do with protection of one self. What if these kids had a firearm in there car, went back and got it while you were walking to your car? You already showed them that you were armed and probably hurt there tough guy pride..
IMO you could have escalted this into a shotout at the mall.. I had a similar experance a couple months back where 10 kids tried to jump me and a friend, we just stoped to fight, told them we had no money and where going to take there's, and got away with out a battle. I also live in a infy part of Jersey so if I did pull a gun, they would have probably went and got there's and come looking for me, or pulled there's and I would have had to shot them.. But training and learning different fighting technices since I was 7 you learn how to disarm and advoid fights.
1) Not provoking so to speak, more the less concerned with someone following at a to close range and establishing lack of fear.Major_Spittle wrote:
deeznutz1245 wrote:
I have my concealed weapon permit already and if they had engaged me I would have used it. How is that dumb again? A licensed, trained permitee protecting his family from unwarranted violence?Major_Spittle wrote:
LOL, kind of a dumb move on your part. You are the reason you have to take a class in many counties before you can get a conceiled weapon permit.1. Provoking 5 punks already looking for a fight while your girl is with you is dumb.deeznutz1245 wrote:
I turned around and replied " go fuck off you 6th grade drop out".
2. You were carrying a gun, what on earth are you thinking to say something to provoke them back. Are YOU looking for a fight too. Never show your gun, pull it out and use it when you need too.
3. Showing 5 "punks" you have a gun. I am sure they value their lives much less than you do yours. If any of them had a gun you could have been toast as soon as you opened your jacket, wtf if one of them opened their jacket exposing a gun would you have been pulling iron or waiting to see if it is show and tell?
4. If they didn't have guns, you just taught 5 punks how COOL it would be to have a gun and how THEY need one now.
Just didn't handle it the way I would have, having a gun I would avoid a fight at all cost. Hard to fist fight while carrying a gun, therefore any fight would get escalated into a shooting unless you want to risk getting shot by your own gun.
2) I stated if necessary I had fully intended on using it. That is why it was coming out of my holster. They ran like they saw a ghost and I had deemed the situation difused.
3)If any of them had a gun then they would be dead. Like I mentioned earlier I carry a Glock 19c, which is a single action. No hammer. I am a proponent of the theory if you are unholstering your firearm it should be to use it. Not to say that they werent trained but I am comfortable in my abilities. I am a licensed BEA agent in the state of Connecticut and I do that as a second job. I shoot at least 3 times per week at my gun club. It would not have been show and tell at all.
4) I didnt teach them anything and you and I both know it. They are scummy baggy pants wearing peices of shit who you and I will unfortunately support through liberal social services for the rest of their wastefull, reckless lives. They have parental shortcomings and infatuations with a thug lifestyle that I can assure you did not stem from our encounter that they initiated.
PS- I had later stated that I did not want to engage them for the fear of my own firearm being used on us. Or for them to steal it and harm anyone else later. Perhaps you missed that part.
Malloy must go
Um......They threatened my safety and mentioned my wife, approaching me with vulgarity and raised arms. I dont gamble at that point.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Where I am all for the right to bear arm and firearms in this country.. My only issue with what you did was escalation.. They asked you for a smoke, you said nope(which is your right) they said better buy some or they'll knock you out. You escalated it with Go fuck yourself and pulled a firearm?
Malloy must go
Ok because the OP wasn't the most discriptive... That's why I"m asking questions, I might have just read it wrong..
Here's the picture that's painted in my head.. You left the mall, they were all just hanging around, you lite up a cig. The kid askes you for one in "street talk" you say no... The he says "how about we knock you out" and they stand up.. You show the firearm, that was the picture that was painted in my head, more of a pissing contest up to the firearm part..
But seriously, they were going to start a fight in front of a mall?? How stupid can one be, with all the security there and usually the police patroling they would have been arrested in 5 mins, unless it was a strip mall.
Here's the picture that's painted in my head.. You left the mall, they were all just hanging around, you lite up a cig. The kid askes you for one in "street talk" you say no... The he says "how about we knock you out" and they stand up.. You show the firearm, that was the picture that was painted in my head, more of a pissing contest up to the firearm part..
But seriously, they were going to start a fight in front of a mall?? How stupid can one be, with all the security there and usually the police patroling they would have been arrested in 5 mins, unless it was a strip mall.
Maybe our malls are different. Most have security but not this one. There is a PD about 2 miles away but they are not very responsive, especially to a mall fight.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Ok because the OP wasn't the most discriptive... That's why I"m asking questions, I might have just read it wrong..
Here's the picture that's painted in my head.. You left the mall, they were all just hanging around, you lite up a cig. The kid askes you for one in "street talk" you say no... The he says "how about we knock you out" and they stand up.. You show the firearm, that was the picture that was painted in my head, more of a pissing contest up to the firearm part..
But seriously, they were going to start a fight in front of a mall?? How stupid can one be, with all the security there and usually the police patroling they would have been arrested in 5 mins, unless it was a strip mall.
Malloy must go
Now you're acting that hostile again...deeznutz1245 wrote:
I have my concealed weapon permit already and if they had engaged me I would have used it. How is that dumb again? A licensed, trained permitee protecting his family from unwarranted violence?Major_Spittle wrote:
LOL, kind of a dumb move on your part. You are the reason you have to take a class in many counties before you can get a conceiled weapon permit.
Calm down and give him a cigarette next time. Must be better than shooting someone, even though he's a punk?
Response times aren't always that quick, and security isn't always that competent.cpt.fass1 wrote:
But seriously, they were going to start a fight in front of a mall?? How stupid can one be, with all the security there and usually the police patroling they would have been arrested in 5 mins, unless it was a strip mall.
Absolutely not. I do not reciprocate improper behavior with reward. Ever. My god damned dog is disciplined better than these punks. I allow them to be rude and bully like, and I am supposed to conform to the agenda of giving them what they want to avoid conflict. Fuck that. They later evolve into fucking theives if they arent already, with a sense of owed entitlement because they were continuously rewarded by society with "treats". You see, training my yellow lab to flush birds is very similar. Ask nicely and I would open the pack and say take a few for later. Be a bully and you get what you deserve. I dismiss the logic that I should have folded to their demands to disolve anything. Good citizens should not live like that. I would rather die on my feet than live on my fucking knees. Long live America and Her liberties.klassekock wrote:
Now you're acting that hostile again...deeznutz1245 wrote:
I have my concealed weapon permit already and if they had engaged me I would have used it. How is that dumb again? A licensed, trained permitee protecting his family from unwarranted violence?Major_Spittle wrote:
LOL, kind of a dumb move on your part. You are the reason you have to take a class in many counties before you can get a conceiled weapon permit.
Calm down and give him a cigarette next time. Must be better than shooting someone, even though he's a punk?
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Malloy must go
I agree with you!
If you just get a chance then teach them a lesson, by that I mean beating the shit out of them.
But not if you have the family with you, pulling out the sidearm was the right choice, if it would be possible here in Finland I would have done just the same as you.
God knows what they could have done to them while you would be on the ground KO:ed.
And the attitude is also correct!!!
We "good" people don´t have to take shit from some punk ass kid who could stab you if you don`t give him cigarettes. The MAN should look away while people gives these kids lessons they won´t forget in the nearest years. What good is it that they get arrested??? They get a bill they won´t pay and that´s it, they are back on the street asking for more smokes before you know it!!!
LET`S STAND UP, IT IS TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH!!!
If you just get a chance then teach them a lesson, by that I mean beating the shit out of them.
But not if you have the family with you, pulling out the sidearm was the right choice, if it would be possible here in Finland I would have done just the same as you.
God knows what they could have done to them while you would be on the ground KO:ed.
And the attitude is also correct!!!
We "good" people don´t have to take shit from some punk ass kid who could stab you if you don`t give him cigarettes. The MAN should look away while people gives these kids lessons they won´t forget in the nearest years. What good is it that they get arrested??? They get a bill they won´t pay and that´s it, they are back on the street asking for more smokes before you know it!!!
LET`S STAND UP, IT IS TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH!!!
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