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Man that sucks... very depressing story.  I just hope someone picks up on his idea for the program and carries on with it.

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Look through some older threads and see how many people actually referred to these people as "freedom fighters".

No kidding.  Yet they fail to tell me what freedom they are fighting for in Iraq being that most of them are not Iraqis.

indeed, unless freedom means oppressing women and forcing religion upon a group of people at the tip of a sword.

JahManRed wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Look through some older threads and see how many people actually referred to these people as "freedom fighters".

No kidding.  Yet they fail to tell me what freedom they are fighting for in Iraq being that most of them are not Iraqis.

Ahhh, more wild allegations without any backup.
It is a civil war going on in Iraqi, between Iraqis. The foreign fighters, like the WMD were over exaggerated to try and prove a link to 9/11.

talk about allegations.

It sucks that many of the Americans dying in Iraq are in fact, the best Americans.

The only way out of this madness is oil independence. I see it now.

Major_Spittle wrote:

The Iraqis still aren't fighting for democracy to any degree.  /fail

Carpet bombing is cheaper and would save American lives.  Why is Iraqi democracy more important to us then them, how will this work out in the long run?  I would like to think we could bring these uneducated Islamic retards into the 21st century and have them embrace democracy, freedom, and individual rights but their religion does not tollerate this.  It is a waste of money that could have been spent on US security and alternative power sources and such.

What will you be carpet bombing? Cities full of civilians....if so how will this provide overall stability in the country?

Why is democracy more important to us than them....well that's simple, democracy was an afterthought used to excuse military actions in this country hence we will stick to it for as long as we can play off us spreading democracy. While at the same time through little stabs at their sovereignty with regards to 1. their foreign affairs 2. elected officials (comment by Condi with regards to current leaders being on borrowed time)

Uneducated Islamic retards.....well i'm sure you are entitled to your opinion with this regard, but you have to understand that the concept called democracy is something that took hundreds of years to materialize into what we now have in the states. Or do you think it happened in the span of 4 years? When you state that their religion does not tollerate "democracy, freedom, and individual rights" on what grounds do you make this claim or do you just through that in there because it sounds "right."

If anything i see a high degree of parallel between the early developments of protestantism in Europe, in that I'm referring to concepts of congregationalism, and that of Muslim counterparts to congregationalism.  While this region of the world does not have the SAME INSTITUTIONS for democracy it is still a flat out lie to state they Islam is incompatible with DEMOCRACY when you have countries within the region that up till now can be stated as being democratic.

Major_Spittle wrote:

Europe should have been left to deal with security in the ME.  Nation building sucks, especially when Half your country is rooting for you to fail so their party can take the White house.  blah.

I know its easy to fall back on simple partisan differences, but it serves no purpose other than hiding behind the guise of party affinities to what should be done instead of talking the problems. I could argue that Republicans started the entire mess and that the Democrats are just as much to blame, but does that solve or presnet a solution to the problem....nope. When you say FAIL what exactly do you mean?

Major_Spittle wrote:

Dear US government.  Thanks for screwing over my kids by spending their future on Iraq.  I hope the Iraqis appreciate it, ha ha.  Dems. and Repubs. are morons and I will not vote for either any time soon.

I agree 100%.

BN wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Ahhh, more wild allegations without any backup.
It is a civil war going on in Iraqi, between Iraqis. The foreign fighters, like the WMD were over exaggerated to try and prove a link to 9/11.

Erm... Ask anyone who was over there.  You pick up more foreign insurgents than Iraqis.

There was a story released about 3 months ago from State Dept saying that the majority of inurgents, terrorists are Iraqi not foreign.

Then they are in stealth mode.

Fen321 wrote:

What will you be carpet bombing? Cities full of civilians....if so how will this provide overall stability in the country?.

Cities in Iraq if they become a threat after we leave.

Fen321 wrote:

Why is democracy more important to us than them....well that's simple, democracy was an afterthought used to excuse military actions in this country hence we will stick to it for as long as we can play off us spreading democracy. While at the same time through little stabs at their sovereignty with regards to 1. their foreign affairs 2. elected officials (comment by Condi with regards to current leaders being on borrowed time).

Your a complete idiot if you think that installing a democracy in Iraq was not the plan all along.  This is self evident to anyone with an 80+ IQ.

Fen321 wrote:

Uneducated Islamic retards.....well i'm sure you are entitled to your opinion with this regard, but you have to understand that the concept called democracy is something that took hundreds of years to materialize into what we now have in the states. Or do you think it happened in the span of 4 years? When you state that their religion does not tollerate "democracy, freedom, and individual rights" on what grounds do you make this claim or do you just through that in there because it sounds "right.".

Name all the great success stories of democracies in Islamic countries?  Gee, seems democracy spread pretty good in the rest of the world for just the last 150 years.  Why could it be that it is not catching on in the Islamic countries?

Fen321 wrote:

If anything i see a high degree of parallel between the early developments of protestantism in Europe, in that I'm referring to concepts of congregationalism, and that of Muslim counterparts to congregationalism.  While this region of the world does not have the SAME INSTITUTIONS for democracy it is still a flat out lie to state they Islam is incompatible with DEMOCRACY when you have countries within the region that up till now can be stated as being democratic..

I believe the quote is "democracy, freedom, and individual rights".  I guess Saddam led a Democracy in Iraq while he was in charge.

Last edited by Major_Spittle (2007-02-15 15:42:57)

usmarine2007 wrote:

Then they are in stealth mode.

Have you ever considered the fact that foreign insurgents are just maybe easier to find?

usmarine2007 wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

i know stuff and its killing me to not share it

That's ok, most don't know shit and share it anyway.

Such as yourself.

Oh, that hurts.  Really, I'm, like, totally upset.  I think I'll go kill myself from shame now.

Or not, dipshit.

usmarine2007 wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

i know stuff and its killing me to not share it

That's ok, most don't know shit and share it anyway.

civies.....