BF2S Forums The devolution of medicine

In Florida they cap the amount you can make off some of the frivolous lawsuits. It's really the solicitation of the lawyers that has generated this problem. Stop that and it may help. Also, try not to put murderous drugs in the market place. I'm sure if you want I could bombard you with links to the great 'oops' in the pharmaceutical business...lol

Tort reform is definitely a necessary part of advancing the healthcare situation for the common consumer.

However, I would argue illegal immigrants not paying for their care, the oligopoly that the AMA promotes in medical education (which keeps our patient to doctor ratio high), and the cartel behavior of the 5 big pharmaceutical companies in America are the main causes of the high cost and slow advancement of medicine.

A lot must be done to fix this situation, but hopefully, both parties can agree to something....

Kmarion wrote:

In Florida they cap the amount you can make off some of the frivolous lawsuits. It's really the solicitation of the lawyers that has generated this problem. Stop that and it may help. Also, try not to put murderous drugs in the market place. I'm sure if you want I could bombard you with links to the great 'oops' in the pharmaceutical business...lol

Yeah thats the thing.. you can't live with lawsuits, cant live without em.. there has to be a balance somewhere

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Put a cap on the amount of people who can take the BAR exam.

That would eventually create a shortage of lawyers, and then they'd charge even more than they do now.

I accept that.

Turquoise wrote:

LOL...  I mean...  I guess that would lead to less lawsuits, but it would also screw people with a legitimate case.

Agree.  But I would take that risk TBH.

Psycho wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Do you think that sue happy America will slow or stop the evolution of medicine?

Um, no. America funds the drug research for the rest of the world through higher prices. Why is it other countries pay only a fraction of the cost for the same drugs as Americans pay?

That's only partially true.

We pay more for drugs because it's not socialized here.  That's really the main reason.

Ender2309 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Psycho wrote:

Um, no. America funds the drug research for the rest of the world through higher prices. Why is it other countries pay only a fraction of the cost for the same drugs as Americans pay?

That's only partially true.

We pay more for drugs because it's not socialized here.  That's really the main reason.

which is good. it gets rid of additional taxes and such. socialized medicine isn't really socialized, per se. in reality, you're still paying the same amount (sometimes more), most of it's just going to other people.

socialized medicine is horrible for those who can afford their own treatment, and fantastic for those who are broke or lazy.

it should be done that only people who make less than XX amount of dollars get free treatment, while the rest only get it cheaper or something similar.

I used to abhor the idea of socialized medicine, but now, it's starting to look like a necessary evil.  It will be very difficult to design a federal socialized system for a nation as large as ours, so this is why I favor a state-based system, where each state can tailor the program to its needs.

Just a thought guys.  This isn't some one not taking responsibility for their actions.  A person goes to the doctor for a problem.  The doctor prescribes a medication (often getting kickbacks from the distributors) and the person ends up with heart, kidney, or various other problems.  In many cases death has been the result.  Since when should a company not be liable for a product they produce?

The sueing doctors over everything is the libs' fault.

Miller wrote:

The sueing doctors over everything is the libs' fault.

...shut the fuck up.

What gets accomplished when people say stuff like this?  So ridiculously redundant..  ffs, I don't care whose fault it is.  Fix it or you're party isn't any better....

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Miller wrote:

The sueing doctors over everything is the libs' fault.

...shut the fuck up.

What gets accomplished when people say stuff like this?  So ridiculously redundant..  ffs, I don't care whose fault it is.  Fix it or you're party isn't any better....

Pretty much...  people would rather attribute blame than come up with solutions.

Kmarion wrote:

In Florida they cap the amount you can make off some of the frivolous lawsuits. It's really the solicitation of the lawyers that has generated this problem. Stop that and it may help. Also, try not to put murderous drugs in the market place. I'm sure if you want I could bombard you with links to the great 'oops' in the pharmaceutical business...lol

You show me a "murderous drug." I'll debunk them one by one. And no fair using Fen-Fen, that sucker was over the counter.

Turquoise wrote:

the oligopoly that the AMA promotes in medical education (which keeps our patient to doctor ratio high), and the cartel behavior of the 5 big pharmaceutical companies in America are the main causes of the high cost and slow advancement of medicine.

I don't know about you, but I'm in favor of a centralized organization setting standards for medical education. This might shock you, but being a doctor is actually pretty hard. There's a lot to learn. Letting students from unaccredited med schools become licensed physicians is not a very good idea in my opinion. Also, don't forget that the AOA accredits and licenses DO's not the AMA.

And I really don't see cartel-like action on the part of the major pharmaceutical companies. That would imply that they collude with one another to keep prices high, when in fact they are in constant competition with one another.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Just a thought guys.  This isn't some one not taking responsibility for their actions.  A person goes to the doctor for a problem.  The doctor prescribes a medication (often getting kickbacks from the distributors) and the person ends up with heart, kidney, or various other problems.  In many cases death has been the result.  Since when should a company not be liable for a product they produce?

I am so sick and tired of hearing this.

DOCTORS DON'T GET KICKBACKS FROM PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES!!!!!

There's no way to hide the money. I literally know hundreds of physicans, and they all laugh everytime someone says that. Now, are there some out there that do? Without a doubt. But you're letting the 0.1% give the other 99.9% a bad name. And I really don't know who you're kidding, the vast majority of physicians don't get into medicine for the money. Hell, no one in medicine gets into it for the money. The money sucks. Docs are poor for a LONG time before they start making the money you assume they all do.

And here's another news flash for you kids:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MEDICATION WITHOUT SIDE EFFECTS!!!

You have to weigh the pros of what the drug does with the cons of the potential side effects.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Alright, I don't really have any weblinks for this one but a friend of mine was talking to his grandpa about where he thinks that medicine is going.  (his grandpa was one of the first doctors to work with kidney transplants so he's pretty well versed in the medical field..).  He was talking about big companies like Merck who are now just trying to get by because of tons of lawsuits, they aren't really making a whole lot of progress.

Do you think that sue happy America will slow or stop the evolution of medicine?  My friends grandpa thinks that it's a decent threat...

Will it stop the evolution of medicine? nope. Will it make more qualified people leave the field, and slow progress? I think yes.