Poll

Should us Brits have the right to own all types of Guns like the USA

YES - without any controls apart from a simple licence14%14% - 27
YES - But only for people aged 25 or over plus licence14%14% - 27
YES - as above - but NO handguns/pistols1%1% - 2
YES - but NO machine guns9%9% - 17
NO - Ban the lot including farmers shotguns3%3% - 6
NO - keep the law as it is19%19% - 35
NO - Plus stricter laws in Europe13%13% - 24
USA - should have stricter gun laws10%10% - 19
USA - Gun laws fine as thay are8%8% - 16
USA - to ban all privately owned guns5%5% - 10
Total: 183
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6893|The Land of Scott Walker

commissargizz wrote:

One gun in the wrong hands is worse than 1,000 guns in sensible hands.
*buzzer* Incorrect, try again. 

At least here in the US we have the right to protect ourselvs in our homes at the very least.  A doctor in the town I live in had a man break in his house in the middle of the night.  The doctor grabbed his handgun, confronted the invader, ordered him to leave or he's shoot twice and then shot the criminal.  He was not prosecuted.  Neither will I if I fill a home invader with buckshot.
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7211

Stingray24 wrote:

Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

You can in a class 3 state, like here in Arizona.
*moves to Arizona*
or texas.  It's a hobby for some Americans.  I enjoy being able to shoot a firearm, even a pea shooter like the M16.
SuperMike
Banned
+11|6907|KENT

commissargizz wrote:

@supermike

that's killing from a distance, more fun (and manly?) if  you stick em with a knife. At least then you can say oopppssss to the police and say it was a fair fight, wasn't my fault he fell on my Bowie knife"
True - but I would just like to .......................................................................
just once ?     lol
commissargizz
Member
+123|6911| Heaven
*buzzer* incorrect

It depends on the situation. in the UK we're very too PC the criminals have too many rights.

What I am trying to say is are you happy to have all your school massacres because you have the right to bear arms.
Guns in the wrong hands kill .......................(please insert number) innocent people each year.
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7211

Stingray24 wrote:

commissargizz wrote:

One gun in the wrong hands is worse than 1,000 guns in sensible hands.
*buzzer* Incorrect, try again. 

At least here in the US we have the right to protect ourselvs in our homes at the very least.  A doctor in the town I live in had a man break in his house in the middle of the night.  The doctor grabbed his handgun, confronted the invader, ordered him to leave or he's shoot twice and then shot the criminal.  He was not prosecuted.  Neither will I if I fill a home invader with buckshot.
And on another note and something many people don't even think about. 

An invading army is trying to quickly advance across the countries of the U.K. and the U.S.  In the U.K. the civilians run and hide and try not to get presecuted by the invading army.  In the U.S. the invaders are bogged down in every major city and all across the South.  Small militias have formed and are using their privately owned firearms to harrasse and distract the invading army.

It is how and why our right to bear arms was written.  If you are foolhardy or strong enough to attack the U.S. and can defeat the the Military enough to push across the land your supply chains will always be under attack and  your forces recieving daily harrassment.
SuperMike
Banned
+11|6907|KENT

commissargizz wrote:

Also Hungerford. 
If we had guns we wouldn't be allowed to use them against criminals anyway, remember that farmer Martin Hill who shot 2 guys raiding his house. He went to jail. Yeah I know he shot one in the back but what if the idiot had a gun also.

One gun in the wrong hands is worse than 1,000 guns in sensible hands.
That madass "walked" around that town (over 20 years ago) armed to the teeth & shot at
any one ? - imagine if the townsfolk had guns ? - he would be dead meat without such a
high "unarmed" victim rate ?????

Case closed m'lud

Last edited by SuperMike (2007-02-07 09:26:22)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7029|SE London

The gun ban has worked. The levels of gun crime in the UK have fallen. Compare the number of gun related deaths in the UK to the number in the US and you'll see that it isn't a problem over here.

Some psycho criminals do get hold of guns, but not nearly as many as would if there were no gun control laws in effect and the whole guns for defence argument is nonsense, all the statistics show that gun owners are significantly more likely to be killed by an intruder than non-gun owners. It's just a sort of delusional, self-protection, action-man dream that most of those who speak of using guns for defence secretly harbour - which is really not a very responsible attitude.

Gun control works. It's not so fun for law abiding citizens - but at least you're way less likely to end up getting shot.
Ridir
Semper Fi!
+48|7211

commissargizz wrote:

*buzzer* incorrect

It depends on the situation. in the UK we're very too PC the criminals have too many rights.

What I am trying to say is are you happy to have all your school massacres because you have the right to bear arms.
Guns in the wrong hands kill .......................(please insert number) innocent people each year.
In my opinion it's more or less a fault of the PC movement.  Everyone has to feel like they are top notch etc etc.  When it breaks down they go crazy and beserk and instead of stabbing people they have a firearm.  When all of the you can't do this or that because it might offend someone but you can't say anything if they offend you because you might offend them, it's driving people nuts.  Ok, I'm not awake enough to debate I'll try and come back to this when I am.
commissargizz
Member
+123|6911| Heaven
But how many would have died before someone did something about it. If he know he was up against other guns he may changed tactics.

Another question then would private citizens with the right to bear arms prevent crime? Just look at the murder and crime rate in the US.

I would love to own guns but I don't want them in the wrong hands.
SuperMike
Banned
+11|6907|KENT

commissargizz wrote:

But how many would have died before someone did something about it. If he know he was up against other guns he may changed tactics.

Another question then would private citizens with the right to bear arms prevent crime? Just look at the murder and crime rate in the US.

I would love to own guns but I don't want them in the wrong hands.
That last paragraph ? - thats how it is now - dont you see ?
markkos
Kokko, kokoo koko kokko kokoon!
+9|7123|Zurich, Switzerland

ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:

Do we really want to be like Switzaland whith the third highest gun murders in the world?
I think you mean with Switzaland Switzerland. Where do you have this information from (3rd highest gun murders)?  I found some statistics for 2005: Number of intentional homicides: 204, Intentional Homicides involving Firearms: 48. Just for comparison the number of homicides in UK: around 800 in 05/06, even more in 04/05. I don't know the number of homicides involving firearms in the UK, but I think there are more countries with more than 48 gun murders? Or did you mean gun murder RATES? That's a different thing and I don't have any info on this and I don't want to research anymore because I have to go to a theatre. And this weekend I'll maybe go shooting again.

In my opinion the US could maybe get a licensing system, i don't think that's bad, just some more waiting... And the UK should maybe loosen them, but for sporting as example I put, even though my rifle has a 8-shot mag, each round through the exit port in the rifle. But competitive pistol shooting isn't so well possible if I understood the laws correct.

Last edited by markkos (2007-02-07 09:57:52)

HOLLYWOOD=_=FTW=_=
Member
+31|6999
I pitty the poor ATF agent that comes to my house and trys to take my guns.
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7240

Stingray24 wrote:

But if the assholes knew the other guy might be carrying, they may think twice.
Or shoot first.
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6793|Twyford, UK
No. No guns in the UK, I garauntee you that hundreds of people will be shot within weeks of the law being passed.

Because, frankly, if I was carrying any sort of gun, many people would be dead by now. Fucking civil servants, school-run mothers, chavs, and idiots holding up queues. Oh, and screaming babies.
Waa waa waa *blam*
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6893|The Land of Scott Walker

commissargizz wrote:

Another question then would private citizens with the right to bear arms prevent crime? Just look at the murder and crime rate in the US.

I would love to own guns but I don't want them in the wrong hands.
Read the Armed Citizen section in the NRA magazine.  Every month they have that section and it shows a snapshot of law-abiding preventing crime and not even being injured because they had the means to defend themselves and others.  Many of them are senior citizens who are at home alone.  They would be very vulnerable without a firearm to protect themselves.  Same goes for ladies.  They can't be expected to fend off a man, but a woman with a gun would scare the crap out of a criminal.  I've taught my wife how to shoot and I'm confident she could easily defend herself in the home.  Otherwise, what's she supposed to do?  Call the police?  Please, they'll just take down the report after she's been raped or killed.  There are quick access safes that work very effectively to keep guns locked up, but quickly accessible to the owner.  That way, your gun will not get into the wrong hands.

Guns that criminals obtain are coming from their sources on the street, not from all the homeowners guns they've taken.  If people think that I shouldn't have a gun because a criminal could take it from me and shoot me, then by that logic, police shouldn't have guns.  We hear about deputies dying to their own guns quite often.

Skorpy-chan:
To obtain a ConcealedCarryPermit in most US states, you must attend classes and prove proficiency with your firearm and then pay the fee.  CCP holders are held to a higher standard if they do shoot someone because they've had the training on when to use their weapon.  No CCP holder is going to go around randomly shooting people that make them mad like you say you would.  The CCP holders I've spoken to are more self-controlled because they know they're carrying a deadly weapon.
SuperMike
Banned
+11|6907|KENT

Skorpy-chan wrote:

No. No guns in the UK, I garauntee you that hundreds of people will be shot within weeks of the law being passed.

Because, frankly, if I was carrying any sort of gun, many people would be dead by now. Fucking civil servants, school-run mothers, chavs, and idiots holding up queues. Oh, and screaming babies.
Waa waa waa *blam*
Lol :  you need therapy -guaranteed !
PigPopTart
Shotgun whore
+133|6737|Pacific NW, USA
If you break into my house....you will Most likely see this....me playing with my guns.

edit: me not making a fucked up face pic.
https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/100_1823.jpg

this is what i carry to work and where ever when i feel like it....GO AMERICA!

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/DSCF3472.jpg

Last edited by PigPopTart (2007-02-07 10:44:40)

Jihadi_Power
Banned
+0|6739
Ameriki and their guns.

(how do you do that eye rolling thing?)
SuperMike
Banned
+11|6907|KENT

PigPopTart wrote:

If you break into my house....you will Most likely see this...game over
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … 0_1827.jpg

this is what i carry to work and where ever when i feel like it....GO AMERICA!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF3472.jpg
What ? exactly - An ugly git with a gun?
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6893|The Land of Scott Walker
Shooting at range targets and clay/skeet shooting is a blast.  Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Edit: that's for JihadiPower

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-02-07 10:38:39)

Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6997|UK

Nah it is fine as it is, in the UK we have enough of a gun crime problem when its illegal, wouldnt wanna comprehend what it be like if made a legal right.  I think am right in saying the murder of those 20 5 year olds in dunblane was the final straw about guns in the uk.

So far as the Americans are concerned, may as well keep them, theres so much of the constitution should NOT be changed, yet admendments have happened.  Thing is, in the bill of rights, this was conveived in a different era, when really the only LAW that was around was the law of the gun, this bare arms crap is a relic of the past and to many people have died because of politicans being to afraid to speak out against an obvious out of date law.
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6911|Tyne & Wear, England
I'm from the UK and I say "no, keep the law as it is".

There is an increasing gun culture in the UK but i feel if we make the laws stricter it will have a negative impact, and people will rebel and attempt to purchase guns.

Kind of like when a parent tells the kid what not to do, naturally the kid ignores the parent and rebels.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
PigPopTart
Shotgun whore
+133|6737|Pacific NW, USA

SuperMike wrote:

PigPopTart wrote:

If you break into my house....you will Most likely see this...game over
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … 0_1827.jpg

this is what i carry to work and where ever when i feel like it....GO AMERICA!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF3472.jpg
What ? exactly - An ugly git with a gun?
yeah.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6893|The Land of Scott Walker

Bell wrote:

Thing is, in the bill of rights, this was conveived in a different era, when really the only LAW that was around was the law of the gun, this bare arms crap is a relic of the past and to many people have died because of politicans being to afraid to speak out against an obvious out of date law.
Buahahahahahaaa!  Oh, you were serious?  Come on, people only had a right to defend themselves 200 years ago?  Pffff.
SuperMike
Banned
+11|6907|KENT

PigPopTart wrote:

SuperMike wrote:

PigPopTart wrote:

If you break into my house....you will Most likely see this...game over
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … 0_1827.jpg

this is what i carry to work and where ever when i feel like it....GO AMERICA!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF3472.jpg
What ? exactly - An ugly git with a gun?
yeah.
Lol - send me one ! - ( a big gun that is )

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