All I've been hearing recently is, "OMFG BUSH= SUCKTACULAR PRESIDENT WE NEED TO IMPEACH HIM." And it's pissing me the hell off! Why might you ask? Because impeachment is something reserved for presidents who break the law (ever wonder why Clinton wasn't booted out of office?). Is Bush a bad president? Many say yes. Has he broken any laws? No. Is he in any way under grounds for impeachment? Not at all. So people who keep saying he is need to cut it out. It's annoying.
Okay.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
I think it's just revenge for the bullshit they pulled with Clinton. The Democrats shouldn't stoop to that level though.
There are more grounds to impeach Bush than there were for Clinton, but I think impeachment is mostly a waste of time and money.
Nixon deserved to be impeached, but he was smart enough to resign first.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I sure as hell don't want Cheney as president.
There are more grounds to impeach Bush than there were for Clinton, but I think impeachment is mostly a waste of time and money.
Nixon deserved to be impeached, but he was smart enough to resign first.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I sure as hell don't want Cheney as president.
Last edited by Turquoise (2007-02-06 18:22:17)
IF they wanted him impeached they could pull some crap like Congress did during the Johnson administration on him for violating the Tenure of Office Act. I don't believe he could can cause enough damage to the fabric of the nation that could not be repaired so there would be no reason to impeach him for being bad in some opinions.
Clinton admitted to breaking the law, and was impeached. He wasn't removed from office or placed in jail because of weaktit republicans who listened to the democrats cries that it would cause "backlash" against the GOP.
It's also because the case was about an adulterous relationship, which a lot of Congressmen indulge in. It probably hit too close to home for a lot of Republicans and Democrats alike. Anybody remember Senator Packwood?gun.KingRat wrote:
Clinton admitted to breaking the law, and was impeached. He wasn't removed from office or placed in jail because of weaktit republicans who listened to the democrats cries that it would cause "backlash" against the GOP.
Last edited by Turquoise (2007-02-06 18:47:47)
No one died when Clinton lied...
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?J … _ctrl=1061
1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.
2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.
3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.
4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.
5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.
6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.
8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.
9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."
10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.
11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.
12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.
13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.
14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.
15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.
16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."
17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.
18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.
19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.
20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.
Clinton lied about a quick blow job, Bush knowingly, falsely, and deceptively lead us into a war which has lead to the deaths of more than half a million people, mostly civilians. 1 in 4 Iraqi's personally know a person who has died since the US invasion, and if there were killing in the US at the same rate according to population, there would be over 7 million Americans dead, killed by an aggressive occupying force.
Bush has broken the law, on hundreds of occasions, google signing statements? The only reason he has not been impeached is because all hell will break lose when it all comes out that Bush was behind 9/11 or at least knew about it, didn't care about Katrina, entered this war to make personal profits, and stole the United States Presidential election. Also, Cheney will become president if we don't go through the process of impeaching him also, this process would take longer than the 2 years left in his term.
People will look back in history at this time and ask how the American people let a tyrant fake intelligence for a war for profit while the income gap separated even more and oil companies made the largest profits in history.
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?J … _ctrl=1061
1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.
2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.
3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.
4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.
5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.
6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.
8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.
9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."
10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.
11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.
12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.
13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.
14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.
15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.
16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."
17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.
18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.
19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.
20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.
Clinton lied about a quick blow job, Bush knowingly, falsely, and deceptively lead us into a war which has lead to the deaths of more than half a million people, mostly civilians. 1 in 4 Iraqi's personally know a person who has died since the US invasion, and if there were killing in the US at the same rate according to population, there would be over 7 million Americans dead, killed by an aggressive occupying force.
Bush has broken the law, on hundreds of occasions, google signing statements? The only reason he has not been impeached is because all hell will break lose when it all comes out that Bush was behind 9/11 or at least knew about it, didn't care about Katrina, entered this war to make personal profits, and stole the United States Presidential election. Also, Cheney will become president if we don't go through the process of impeaching him also, this process would take longer than the 2 years left in his term.
People will look back in history at this time and ask how the American people let a tyrant fake intelligence for a war for profit while the income gap separated even more and oil companies made the largest profits in history.
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Last edited by LawJik (2007-02-07 13:47:15)
You make a lot of interesting points here, but if we do impeach Bush, we'd better impeach Cheney too.
I hate Bush, but I hate Cheney a lot more.
I hate Bush, but I hate Cheney a lot more.
And what ground would those be?Turquoise wrote:
I think it's just revenge for the bullshit they pulled with Clinton. The Democrats shouldn't stoop to that level though.
There are more grounds to impeach Bush than there were for Clinton, but I think impeachment is mostly a waste of time and money.
Nixon deserved to be impeached, but he was smart enough to resign first.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I sure as hell don't want Cheney as president.
Your color is dimming from that brilliant electric blue to the faded jade color of a tired Indian souvenir.
Perhaps I could use you for a bookend or something, but I must hereby demote you from necklace or broach status.
PS, Turquoise fades in the sun, perhaps you should room with CameronPoe.
Last edited by ATG (2007-02-06 18:54:30)
the war on terror is 'unwinnable'; it is only manageable, and it need be measured in what hasn't happened rather than the number of combat troop casualties overseas.
Bush's approval ratings at the beginning of the war speak of the support America, republicans and democrats, had for its initiation.
I think people should get off of the administration's back. they know more than you. they know/knew facts before "d-day", and they know more than you now. don't you think he wants what is best for our country? Bush and his administration did not foresee the outcome they are faced with now, or they might not have gone in. who are [you] to say everything we are doing is wrong? who are [you] to say Bush is wrong and has "lied to the American people".!?
Bush's approval ratings at the beginning of the war speak of the support America, republicans and democrats, had for its initiation.
I think people should get off of the administration's back. they know more than you. they know/knew facts before "d-day", and they know more than you now. don't you think he wants what is best for our country? Bush and his administration did not foresee the outcome they are faced with now, or they might not have gone in. who are [you] to say everything we are doing is wrong? who are [you] to say Bush is wrong and has "lied to the American people".!?
Last edited by CoronadoSEAL (2007-02-06 18:57:07)
It's funny how history repeats itself. Everyone was saying the US sucked and had no morals because the Prez got blown back then...
Quick question:
everyone hates Bush, everyone hated Clinton, everyone hated Bush Sr, everyone hated Reagan, everyone hated Carter...do you see a pattern yet?
Quick question:
everyone hates Bush, everyone hated Clinton, everyone hated Bush Sr, everyone hated Reagan, everyone hated Carter...do you see a pattern yet?
Heh... Yes, I know... I'm becoming more liberal, but I'm also more cynical than before.ATG wrote:
And what ground would those be?Turquoise wrote:
I think it's just revenge for the bullshit they pulled with Clinton. The Democrats shouldn't stoop to that level though.
There are more grounds to impeach Bush than there were for Clinton, but I think impeachment is mostly a waste of time and money.
Nixon deserved to be impeached, but he was smart enough to resign first.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I sure as hell don't want Cheney as president.
Your color is dimming from that brilliant electric blue to the faded jade color of a tired Indian souvenir.
Perhaps I could use you for a bookend or something, but I must hereby demote you from necklace or broach status.
PS, Turquoise fades in the sun, perhaps you should room with CameronPoe.
Grounds... well, LawJik's post touched on many things. He pretty much wrote a lot of things I was thinking.
Nevertheless, I'm not suggesting we impeach Bush. He's only got 2 years left, and he can't run again. He deserves to suffer through what he's done to Iraq. The next president is going to have a hell of a time getting us back on track, but then again, I think the next president will be a lot better (Democrat or Republican).
I agree with a lot of Cam's sentiments, but there are still many differences between us. I have no love for Castro or the Iranian way of life. I despise much about Islamism just as you do, but I just think we're handling things the wrong way. Bush is the embodiment of this wrongheadedness.
Hm yea I'd say Bush broke at least half of these... Impeach that fucktard already!LawJik wrote:
No one died when Clinton lied...
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?J … _ctrl=1061
1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.
2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.
3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.
4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.
5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.
6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.
8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.
9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."
10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.
11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.
12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.
13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.
14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.
15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.
16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."
17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.
18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.
19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.
20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.
Clinton lied about a quick blow job, Bush knowingly, falsely, and deceptively lead us into a war which has lead to the deaths of more than half a million people, mostly civilians. 1 in 4 Iraqi's personally know a person who has died since the US invasion, and if there were killing in the US at the same rate according to population, there would be over 7 million Americans dead, killed by an aggressive occupying force.
Bush has broken the law, on hundreds of occasions, google signing statements? The only reason he has not been impeached is because all hell will break lose when it all comes out that Bush was behind 9/11 or at least knew about it, didn't care about Katrina, entered this war to make personal profits, and stole the United States Presidential election. Also, Cheney will become president if we dont go through the process of impeaching him also, this process would take longer than the 2 years left in his term.
People will look back in history at this time and ask how the American people let a tyrant fake intelligence for a war for profit while the income gap seperated even more and oil companies made the largest profits in history.
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Tiger
I think Bush honestly doesn't know what he really wants. He seems just as much of a figurehead as Reagan was. Cheney and his friends are really calling the shots here.CoronadoSEAL wrote:
the war on terror is 'unwinnable'; it is only manageable, and it need be measured in what hasn't happened rather than the number of combat troop casualties overseas.
Bush's approval ratings at the beginning of the war speak of the support America, republicans and democrats, had for its initiation.
I think people should get off of the administration's back. they know more than you. they know/knew facts before "d-day", and they know more than you now. don't you think he wants what is best for our country? Bush and his administration did not foresee the outcome they are faced with now, or they might not have gone in. who are [you] to say everything we are doing is wrong? who are [you] to say Bush is wrong and has "lied to the American people".!?
Do I think Cheney wants what is best for America? No. He wants what is best for himself and his friends.
We're not doing everything wrong, but we're a lot closer to that than doing everything right.
As for whether or not Bush lied to us... does it really matter? If nothing else, Bush was lied to. The Iraq War was, for the most part, based on lies. Who originally told those lies will likely remain a mystery forever, but the present concern is why we're still in Iraq. Why are we still dumping billions into this with little return? Surely, Iraq's time has past. This occupation is a fool's errand.
Last edited by Turquoise (2007-02-06 19:08:30)
I know.Turquoise wrote:
Bush is the embodiment of this wrongheadedness.
Peace.
Bush has just under 2 years left. Give it a freaking rest. We started this war, give our troops the chance to end it. He has to live the rest of his life knowing he has the blood of how many thousands of troops staining his hands. All I hear is "bring our troops home" and "impeach the pres." and "no more money for war". I am getting really sick of it. Answer this: HOW WILL IMPEACHING THE PRESIDENT FIX OUR CURRENT SITUATION?
Lets play out the impeachment scenario:
-Bush gets impeached, goes to jail, doesn't get his $200
-Cheney becomes new President
-Cheney has heart attack from stress (or old age) or gets arrested & jailed for shooting another lawyer
-Nancy Pelosi becomes President
-Pelosi starts her menstruation cycle - World War III
I would rather keep Bush in until the end of his term than risk the latter. Just my 2 cents.
Lets play out the impeachment scenario:
-Bush gets impeached, goes to jail, doesn't get his $200
-Cheney becomes new President
-Cheney has heart attack from stress (or old age) or gets arrested & jailed for shooting another lawyer
-Nancy Pelosi becomes President
-Pelosi starts her menstruation cycle - World War III
I would rather keep Bush in until the end of his term than risk the latter. Just my 2 cents.
yes, they are all crooksPug wrote:
Quick question:
everyone hates Bush, everyone hated Clinton, everyone hated Bush Sr, everyone hated Reagan, everyone hated Carter...do you see a pattern yet?
So...is it interesting or different to rail on the current president?BN wrote:
yes, they are all crooksPug wrote:
Quick question:
everyone hates Bush, everyone hated Clinton, everyone hated Bush Sr, everyone hated Reagan, everyone hated Carter...do you see a pattern yet?
Can you even imagine the grief of the mothers, spouses, brothers, and sisters?
Imagine instead of leaving from high school to a job, or college, you or a loved one decides to join the military, Bush starts lying and everyone knows it, but it doesnt stop him.
Here we are, 3 years and 2,881 US deaths since Bush rolled out his "Mission Accomplished" flag, and there is no end in sight for his war for profit.
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8824124203275380392[/google]
Support our troops, bring them home.
Imagine instead of leaving from high school to a job, or college, you or a loved one decides to join the military, Bush starts lying and everyone knows it, but it doesnt stop him.
Here we are, 3 years and 2,881 US deaths since Bush rolled out his "Mission Accomplished" flag, and there is no end in sight for his war for profit.
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8824124203275380392[/google]
Support our troops, bring them home.
Last edited by LawJik (2007-02-07 17:41:31)
Not to be insensitive (because I've had and still have family in the military) but when you join the military they make sure you know that there is a chance you can die. They don't give you a bag of marshmallows, a stick and some flamethrowers to kill civilians with (as some people suggest.. idiots), you train to fight and if you don't want to put your life on the line DON'T join the military.LawJik wrote:
Can you even imagine the grief of the mothers, spouses, brothers, and sisters?
Imagine instead of leaving from high school to a job, or college, you or a loved one decides to join the military, Bush starts lying and everyone knows it, but it doesnt stop him.
Here we are, 3 years and 2,881 US deaths since Bush rolled out his "Mission Accomplished" flag, and there is no end in sight for his war for profit.
Support our troops, bring them home.
Wow that list was a bunch of garbage. Someone really doesn't understand the law in this country. When a proposed bill is presented in Congress and passed it makes those actions legal under the law. That makes the Patriot Act valid (You do know that congress makes the laws right?). Most of the grievances in the list fall under the Patriot Act. The rest is the lack of someone being able to tell the difference between a lie and bad intelligence.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
A partisan Congress, horny for Bush's power, voted an obvioulsy un-constitutional law into effect, the Patriot Act, just because its legal, doesnt mean the President cant overuse its powers in a way that would lead to an impeachable offence (what the list above is).
The Patriot Act, made Bush and Alberto Gonzalez think they are invincible, the Patriot Act will either be removed or edited in the near future if not during then soon after Bush's term.
Just like several states are now spending millions to remove electronic voting machines and replacing them with paper, everyone knows WHY they are doing it, Bush stole the Presidential elections, but the media doesnt come out and say it.
The Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security were brought to you by the numbers 9, 11, and the letter W, but you go on defending it..
"Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got e'm by the balls."
The Patriot Act, made Bush and Alberto Gonzalez think they are invincible, the Patriot Act will either be removed or edited in the near future if not during then soon after Bush's term.
Just like several states are now spending millions to remove electronic voting machines and replacing them with paper, everyone knows WHY they are doing it, Bush stole the Presidential elections, but the media doesnt come out and say it.
The Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security were brought to you by the numbers 9, 11, and the letter W, but you go on defending it..
"Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got e'm by the balls."
Last edited by LawJik (2007-02-07 18:27:50)
That partisan congress was elected.
I don't agree with some of the Patriot Act also but it was created under the Constitution. No one should ever be able to be held indefinitely without being charged. There are changes being made now. Courts are getting involved in many of the actions taking place.
I don't agree with some of the Patriot Act also but it was created under the Constitution. No one should ever be able to be held indefinitely without being charged. There are changes being made now. Courts are getting involved in many of the actions taking place.
Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-07 18:27:39)
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Congress' are always shifted one or two votes or more in one direction or the other, but this Congress was so adamantly partisan, that they never broke with their party to vote.
Since the Democrats have taken control of the Congress, certain less conservative members of the Republican party have come out and said that they are glad they can vote how they feel now.
Take the minimum wage for example. For 8 fucking years, the Republican controlled Congress voted against raising the minimum wage, while voting 6 times to raise the salary of a Congress member. As soon as Democrats took control, and brought up these civil issues (minimum wage, student loans, etc), the ones that affect real everyday people, Republicans came around 180 degrees like they had been for the people all along.
These elitists were willing to keep down the average American solely for political purposes, assholes.
Since the Democrats have taken control of the Congress, certain less conservative members of the Republican party have come out and said that they are glad they can vote how they feel now.
Take the minimum wage for example. For 8 fucking years, the Republican controlled Congress voted against raising the minimum wage, while voting 6 times to raise the salary of a Congress member. As soon as Democrats took control, and brought up these civil issues (minimum wage, student loans, etc), the ones that affect real everyday people, Republicans came around 180 degrees like they had been for the people all along.
These elitists were willing to keep down the average American solely for political purposes, assholes.
Do you know any heads of households working for minimum wage? This is why the unemployment levels have been at around 4 percent, which basically means anyone who wants a job can get one. It's a workers market, that is how wages are set. Not through government interference. Employers are going to pay what they can period. So if they have to pay someone more they let someone go. It's really quite simple. With the job market the way it has been employees can be selective as to where they work with regards to wages.
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