That, and for some reason, it makes them feel bigger to go to a game's forums and post to little kids their views on the war. Sure there are some older fellas that are hermits here, but most are kids. Who really cares anyways? We're the most powerful country in the world and we'll protect ourselves no matter what.Teebaggs1 wrote:
I agree. It's become "mainstream" to america bash and all the kewl kids are doing it.too_money2007 wrote:
worst. thread. ever.
Yet another thread bashing America. It seems that this is all the D&ST section has become. Worthless.......
The tactics we use are completely different.PluggedValve wrote:
The americans have snipers too "Mr. Holier than thou". And they use the same tactics. How do you think Juba learned???Commie Killer wrote:
Wow, you guys are sick, saying this guy is acting with fucking HONOR!?!?!?!?
Malloy must go
Sucks eh! Its discussion, argue a point if you want. Its for everyone to maybe see where the other side is coming from. Which is good, healthy debate. Seems like the ppl that just think its USA bashing just dont have any counter points because they're uninformed.too_money2007 wrote:
worst. thread. ever.
Yet another thread bashing America. It seems that this is all the D&ST section has become. Worthless.......
I like talking to people who dont agree with me because i want to know why they disagree. And maybe im wrong and maybe im right but the only way to make an informed decision is to talk about it.
For Example......deeznutz1245 wrote:
The tactics we use are completely different.PluggedValve wrote:
The americans have snipers too "Mr. Holier than thou". And they use the same tactics. How do you think Juba learned???Commie Killer wrote:
Wow, you guys are sick, saying this guy is acting with fucking HONOR!?!?!?!?
When we toppled Sudhaim, almost every Iraqi citizen was happy. They do have a government, and these insurgents are not following their government. Do I like the way the war has gone? No. Do i think it will get better? No. Why, because "all the blame is on America". Bullshit, but that is what everyone says as a reason why their country shouldn't help. Yes, WE wanted to take SH out. Why, lets count the reason. WMD, never found, but can NOT be argued he HAS had them, and even used them on his own country.Supported terrorists? He openly stated he would fund them.....Oil? NOPE, sry but we have actually been subsidizing all of irags oil needs, AND US AMERICANS pay $0.22 cents a gallon for every gallon THEY use.Kukulcan wrote:
Who are to judge which country is good or bad? The civilians did not rebel and you are trying to do that for them?usmarine2007 wrote:
How about they build a good country instead?Kukulcan wrote:
You can't complain them for defending for themselves.... then you should have not attacked first.
The insurgency is not the Iraqi army (BTW Iraqs army was the 3rd largest army at the time of our invasion). They are NOT fighting to defend their country. You really think that if America pulls out, Iraq will be peaceful? They never were! Stop bashing America, maybe we made a mistake by invading Iraq. Maybe we made a mistake by not invading Iraq and toppling that regime when they invaded Kuwait. Doesn't matter now. We are where we are. And as far as this sniper, he would NOT classify as a SOLDIER according to the Geneva Convention.
+1. Good Points and well put together.nlsme wrote:
When we toppled Sudhaim, almost every Iraqi citizen was happy. They do have a government, and these insurgents are not following their government. Do I like the way the war has gone? No. Do i think it will get better? No. Why, because "all the blame is on America". Bullshit, but that is what everyone says as a reason why their country shouldn't help. Yes, WE wanted to take SH out. Why, lets count the reason. WMD, never found, but can NOT be argued he HAS had them, and even used them on his own country.Supported terrorists? He openly stated he would fund them.....Oil? NOPE, sry but we have actually been subsidizing all of irags oil needs, AND US AMERICANS pay $0.22 cents a gallon for every gallon THEY use.Kukulcan wrote:
Who are to judge which country is good or bad? The civilians did not rebel and you are trying to do that for them?usmarine2007 wrote:
How about they build a good country instead?
The insurgency is not the Iraqi army (BTW Iraqs army was the 3rd largest army at the time of our invasion). They are NOT fighting to defend their country. You really think that if America pulls out, Iraq will be peaceful? They never were! Stop bashing America, maybe we made a mistake by invading Iraq. Maybe we made a mistake by not invading Iraq and toppling that regime when they invaded Kuwait. Doesn't matter now. We are where we are. And as far as this sniper, he would NOT classify as a SOLDIER according to the Geneva Convention.
LOL just LOL, we will see. We WILL see.Kukulcan wrote:
Iran... in iran the usa will lose , they are advanced military. Not some civs in arms.hate&discontent wrote:
I didn't vote for GW you incontinent ass, and if you don't like what i said fuck off, i dont care. shooting AMERICAN troops is easy, because of the uniform. We could shoot some insurgent, with a weapon in his hand in plain clothes just after he detonated a bomb, and we still be the bad guy. FUCK IRAQ, make it a parking lot, next stop iran. alot of people dont agree with me, and some might, but that is what makes this COUNTRY great, the FREEDOM to say what we want.
smart bombs... USA wins. yayz!1nlsme wrote:
LOL just LOL, we will see. We WILL see.Kukulcan wrote:
Iran... in iran the usa will lose , they are advanced military. Not some civs in arms.hate&discontent wrote:
I didn't vote for GW you incontinent ass, and if you don't like what i said fuck off, i dont care. shooting AMERICAN troops is easy, because of the uniform. We could shoot some insurgent, with a weapon in his hand in plain clothes just after he detonated a bomb, and we still be the bad guy. FUCK IRAQ, make it a parking lot, next stop iran. alot of people dont agree with me, and some might, but that is what makes this COUNTRY great, the FREEDOM to say what we want.
I am not going to bother with all tactics. We will discuss a few, not to flame you, just to discuss. For one, a Marine sniper is never seen and would not use a video camera to record his kills. A Marine sniper will only pull the trigger when he is absolutely positive he is going to hit what he is aiming for, and what he is aiming for is the head or throat. We have all heard the expression "one shot, one kill" and it is true. A sniper is sent into battle with specific orders, a primary objective and possibly objectives of opportunity, which means " he isnt the mission but we want him dead as long as the primary objective is not comprimised. What you see on these videos is what we would call a "designated marksman". A regular soldier or Marine who is an exceptional shot within his infantry unit, used to engage snipers or concealed enemies. A Marine sniper will wait days if necessary to engage his objective and would not waist a round on the objective's stomach or leg. Also, snipers are usually armed with a Beretta 9mm in addition to their m-95 (or m-24 for army) so they are not prepared to engage in close quarters combat and would not risk getting caught by an enemy in fear of being tortured for crucial intelligence they have gathered. Snipers are well out of the enemies range within minutes of them realizing what just happened and would not take a shot if additional enemy troops could comprimise the snipers position before his evacuation. I left the Marine Corps in weapons company, but when I started my tour with the MEU I was in SSC. In other words if you are not familiar with USMC units. 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, 1st Batallion 8th Marines, Scout Sniper Company.....later to weapons Company. I am not a sniper though, I was a field interrogator and part of a sniper extaction team.PluggedValve wrote:
For Example......deeznutz1245 wrote:
The tactics we use are completely different.PluggedValve wrote:
The americans have snipers too "Mr. Holier than thou". And they use the same tactics. How do you think Juba learned???
Malloy must go
WAR IS HARD MOTHER #%*@'ING GAY
Love BF2 though, great fkn game...
Love BF2 though, great fkn game...
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I REPORTED THIS THREAD. . .totally unacceptable.
Disent for the war is fine. . .I understand people disagree with the war. But glorifying some terrorist taking pot shots at my troops cause he knows he will get killed if he tries any other method is BS. This "Juba" terrorist is dead BTW!! US Marine snipers took his ass out two years ago. . . . recovered the rifle he was using and saved it. . .This is old news, and this thread should be shut down for inappropriate video content.
Disent for the war is fine. . .I understand people disagree with the war. But glorifying some terrorist taking pot shots at my troops cause he knows he will get killed if he tries any other method is BS. This "Juba" terrorist is dead BTW!! US Marine snipers took his ass out two years ago. . . . recovered the rifle he was using and saved it. . .This is old news, and this thread should be shut down for inappropriate video content.
"When we toppled Sudhaim, almost every Iraqi citizen was happy."
So says the propaganda, but the sniper bullets and suicide bombings speak more truth.
"Do I like the way the war has gone? No. Do i think it will get better? No. Why, because "all the blame is on America". Bullshit, but that is what everyone says as a reason why their country shouldn't help."
Nobody "likes" the way its gone, that much is pretty obvious. It will probably get worse before better. IMHO.
The blame is on america because: 1) Their justifications for war did not add up. First it was WMD's(not there) then it was because the Iraqi's had to be able to vote, then because Saddam gassed the kurds(before the gulf war mind you), 2) The world warned you it was a quagmire, and that USA's justification was not enough. 3)Since they unilaterally went against the UN's recommendation(whether you like it or not the UN is the largest governing body over international affairs) 4) The results are not better than before they are worse.
"They are NOT fighting to defend their country. You really think that if America pulls out, Iraq will be peaceful? They never were! "
It WAS more peaceful. But thats besides the point. Why do you guys have to "liberate" them?? There was only ever a small portion of the population asking the US for help. I never saw any Iraqis waving US flags sending messages that they needed help, certainly not en mass.
"Maybe we made a mistake by not invading Iraq and toppling that regime when they invaded Kuwait."
Yup!!!!!! Too bad so sad. Do it right if youre going to do it.
"And as far as this sniper, he would NOT classify as a SOLDIER according to the Geneva Convention."
Neither does your war, so i guess thats even.
So says the propaganda, but the sniper bullets and suicide bombings speak more truth.
"Do I like the way the war has gone? No. Do i think it will get better? No. Why, because "all the blame is on America". Bullshit, but that is what everyone says as a reason why their country shouldn't help."
Nobody "likes" the way its gone, that much is pretty obvious. It will probably get worse before better. IMHO.
The blame is on america because: 1) Their justifications for war did not add up. First it was WMD's(not there) then it was because the Iraqi's had to be able to vote, then because Saddam gassed the kurds(before the gulf war mind you), 2) The world warned you it was a quagmire, and that USA's justification was not enough. 3)Since they unilaterally went against the UN's recommendation(whether you like it or not the UN is the largest governing body over international affairs) 4) The results are not better than before they are worse.
"They are NOT fighting to defend their country. You really think that if America pulls out, Iraq will be peaceful? They never were! "
It WAS more peaceful. But thats besides the point. Why do you guys have to "liberate" them?? There was only ever a small portion of the population asking the US for help. I never saw any Iraqis waving US flags sending messages that they needed help, certainly not en mass.
"Maybe we made a mistake by not invading Iraq and toppling that regime when they invaded Kuwait."
Yup!!!!!! Too bad so sad. Do it right if youre going to do it.
"And as far as this sniper, he would NOT classify as a SOLDIER according to the Geneva Convention."
Neither does your war, so i guess thats even.
this thread needs to be closed.
Ok. True I think. But, war is war right. Did the sniper target any civilians?? So whether he shoots in th head or the abs does that really matter?? Other than it shows this guy really doesnt like americans(why he wants them to feel pain before death i guess). I dont mean to be cold hearted but didnt said soldier sign up for the risk of injury or death(usually includes pain).deeznutz1245 wrote:
I am not going to bother with all tactics. We will discuss a few, not to flame you, just to discuss. For one, a Marine sniper is never seen and would not use a video camera to record his kills. A Marine sniper will only pull the trigger when he is absolutely positive he is going to hit what he is aiming for, and what he is aiming for is the head or throat. We have all heard the expression "one shot, one kill" and it is true. A sniper is sent into battle with specific orders, a primary objective and possibly objectives of opportunity, which means " he isnt the mission but we want him dead as long as the primary objective is not comprimised. What you see on these videos is what we would call a "designated marksman". A regular soldier or Marine who is an exceptional shot within his infantry unit, used to engage snipers or concealed enemies. A Marine sniper will wait days if necessary to engage his objective and would not waist a round on the objective's stomach or leg. Also, snipers are usually armed with a Beretta 9mm in addition to their m-95 (or m-24 for army) so they are not prepared to engage in close quarters combat and would not risk getting caught by an enemy in fear of being tortured for crucial intelligence they have gathered. Snipers are well out of the enemies range within minutes of them realizing what just happened and would not take a shot if additional enemy troops could comprimise the snipers position before his evacuation. I left the Marine Corps in weapons company, but when I started my tour with the MEU I was in SSC. In other words if you are not familiar with USMC units. 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, 1st Batallion 8th Marines, Scout Sniper Company.....later to weapons Company. I am not a sniper though, I was a field interrogator and part of a sniper extaction team.PluggedValve wrote:
For Example......deeznutz1245 wrote:
The tactics we use are completely different.
P.S. I appreciate the constructive conversation by the way, especially from someone with experience. Thanks!
Stop reading if u want, just an idea. I am enjoying this intelligent debate with some. Your comment is one of the only ones that dont ned to be here.SoC./Omega wrote:
this thread needs to be closed.
Another poster/former soldier stated that these snipers would have helpers that would blow IED's to cover their escape and in the process, civilians became casualties. Can't confirm but something to think about.PluggedValve wrote:
Ok. True I think. But, war is war right. [bold]Did the sniper target any civilians?? [/bold] So whether he shoots in th head or the abs does that really matter?? Other than it shows this guy really doesnt like americans(why he wants them to feel pain before death i guess). I dont mean to be cold hearted but didnt said soldier sign up for the risk of injury or death(usually includes pain).deeznutz1245 wrote:
I am not going to bother with all tactics. We will discuss a few, not to flame you, just to discuss. For one, a Marine sniper is never seen and would not use a video camera to record his kills. A Marine sniper will only pull the trigger when he is absolutely positive he is going to hit what he is aiming for, and what he is aiming for is the head or throat. We have all heard the expression "one shot, one kill" and it is true. A sniper is sent into battle with specific orders, a primary objective and possibly objectives of opportunity, which means " he isnt the mission but we want him dead as long as the primary objective is not comprimised. What you see on these videos is what we would call a "designated marksman". A regular soldier or Marine who is an exceptional shot within his infantry unit, used to engage snipers or concealed enemies. A Marine sniper will wait days if necessary to engage his objective and would not waist a round on the objective's stomach or leg. Also, snipers are usually armed with a Beretta 9mm in addition to their m-95 (or m-24 for army) so they are not prepared to engage in close quarters combat and would not risk getting caught by an enemy in fear of being tortured for crucial intelligence they have gathered. Snipers are well out of the enemies range within minutes of them realizing what just happened and would not take a shot if additional enemy troops could comprimise the snipers position before his evacuation. I left the Marine Corps in weapons company, but when I started my tour with the MEU I was in SSC. In other words if you are not familiar with USMC units. 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, 1st Batallion 8th Marines, Scout Sniper Company.....later to weapons Company. I am not a sniper though, I was a field interrogator and part of a sniper extaction team.PluggedValve wrote:
For Example......
P.S. I appreciate the constructive conversation by the way, especially from someone with experience. Thanks!
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Some of your own country men are dieing here, and you appear to honor the Killer then the Victum
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
Im not understanding, he asked me to explain how our sniping tactics were different than an insurgents......and I did.Teebaggs1 wrote:
Another poster/former soldier stated that these snipers would have helpers that would blow IED's to cover their escape and in the process, civilians became casualties. Can't confirm but something to think about.PluggedValve wrote:
Ok. True I think. But, war is war right. [bold]Did the sniper target any civilians?? [/bold] So whether he shoots in th head or the abs does that really matter?? Other than it shows this guy really doesnt like americans(why he wants them to feel pain before death i guess). I dont mean to be cold hearted but didnt said soldier sign up for the risk of injury or death(usually includes pain).deeznutz1245 wrote:
I am not going to bother with all tactics. We will discuss a few, not to flame you, just to discuss. For one, a Marine sniper is never seen and would not use a video camera to record his kills. A Marine sniper will only pull the trigger when he is absolutely positive he is going to hit what he is aiming for, and what he is aiming for is the head or throat. We have all heard the expression "one shot, one kill" and it is true. A sniper is sent into battle with specific orders, a primary objective and possibly objectives of opportunity, which means " he isnt the mission but we want him dead as long as the primary objective is not comprimised. What you see on these videos is what we would call a "designated marksman". A regular soldier or Marine who is an exceptional shot within his infantry unit, used to engage snipers or concealed enemies. A Marine sniper will wait days if necessary to engage his objective and would not waist a round on the objective's stomach or leg. Also, snipers are usually armed with a Beretta 9mm in addition to their m-95 (or m-24 for army) so they are not prepared to engage in close quarters combat and would not risk getting caught by an enemy in fear of being tortured for crucial intelligence they have gathered. Snipers are well out of the enemies range within minutes of them realizing what just happened and would not take a shot if additional enemy troops could comprimise the snipers position before his evacuation. I left the Marine Corps in weapons company, but when I started my tour with the MEU I was in SSC. In other words if you are not familiar with USMC units. 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, 1st Batallion 8th Marines, Scout Sniper Company.....later to weapons Company. I am not a sniper though, I was a field interrogator and part of a sniper extaction team.
P.S. I appreciate the constructive conversation by the way, especially from someone with experience. Thanks!
Malloy must go
It pains me to watch those videos, hurts to watch them die by a sniper. I have friends over there and I hope they don't get hit like that.
Is every Iraqi sniping or placing IEDS?Dude how would they beg for help? Every corner had Saddam's police waiting to torture any opposition. I do know for a fact, that the Iraqis that now live in the U.S. SUPPORT our war. Do they like how it has gone, no. Do they blame America? No. More peaceful my ass. Before the invasion there were prisons FILLED with people that spoke out against the government. Were they just imprisoned for treason? No they were fucking TORTURED. How could they speak out "en mass". You do realize Saddam thought nothing of KILLING anyone who he didn't agree with him "en mass". As far as the U.N.. Even though we front most of the bill and most of the troops for it to even EXIST, They don't do shit EVEN when the world does agree. They write resolution after resolution, but NEVER act. BTW their "resolution" did say that they would be dealt with militarily(before we even invaded) but that date came and went. They decided to write another resolution. Do I like Bush? FUCK NO! Did I like his dad, well more then his son so just a NO.
"Our war" does not violate the Geneva Convention. And I really like how it is now Americas war, seeings how so many of the countries that were with us, have since pulled out. Like I said, we are where we are. As far as the Iraq is concerned, we might hold some blame, BUT NOT ALL. Maybe if the U.N. would be what it is suppose to be, and not some resolution writing organization that does nothing more, the world would be a better place. The U.N. is a failure, and nothing they say holds NO merit to who they say it too. Look at Iran now for example, Are they worried about the U.N.? Don't think so.
"Our war" does not violate the Geneva Convention. And I really like how it is now Americas war, seeings how so many of the countries that were with us, have since pulled out. Like I said, we are where we are. As far as the Iraq is concerned, we might hold some blame, BUT NOT ALL. Maybe if the U.N. would be what it is suppose to be, and not some resolution writing organization that does nothing more, the world would be a better place. The U.N. is a failure, and nothing they say holds NO merit to who they say it too. Look at Iran now for example, Are they worried about the U.N.? Don't think so.
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This is what I'm talking about...Kukulcan wrote:
I'm talking about things like these : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iinWDYH1g1k&NR
I already had this between my preferites.. i like military actions.usmarine2007 wrote:
This is what I'm talking about...Kukulcan wrote:
I'm talking about things like these : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iinWDYH1g1k&NR
I'm italian not american... i mean : either iraqi and americans are soldiers from another nation for me.R3v4n wrote:
Some of your own country men are dieing here, and you appear to honor the Killer then the Victum
Bombs are never smart.... it's smarter not to launch them. You should hope not to enter in war against iran .too_money2007 wrote:
smart bombs... USA wins. yayz!1nlsme wrote:
LOL just LOL, we will see. We WILL see.Kukulcan wrote:
Iran... in iran the usa will lose , they are advanced military. Not some civs in arms.
Insurgents have no nation...well, except the ones that support them.Kukulcan wrote:
I'm italian not american... i mean : either iraqi and americans are soldiers from another nation for me.R3v4n wrote:
Some of your own country men are dieing here, and you appear to honor the Killer then the Victum