JahManRed
wank
+646|6829|IRELAND

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1999966,00.html

The US government wants the world's scientists to develop technology to block sunlight as a last-ditch way to halt global warming.
The US has also attempted to steer the UN report, prepared by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), away from conclusions that would support a new worldwide climate treaty based on binding targets to reduce emissions - as sought by Tony Blair. It has demanded a draft of the report be changed to emphasis the benefits of voluntary agreements and to include criticisms of the Kyoto Protocol, the existing treaty which the US administration opposes.

Last ditch effort? The US rejection of the Kyoto treaty was one of Bushes first tasks as President.
Under the Protocol, the U.S. is supposed to cut its greenhouse gas emissions by seven percent. With four percent of the world's population, the country accounts for about 25 percent of the Earth's greenhouse gas emissions.
European Environment Commissioner Margot Wallström says 'But this ignorant, short sighted and selfish politician, long since firmly jammed into the pockets of the oil lobby, clearly couldn't care less. The talks in Bonn in July must now concentrate on world action independent of the U.S.' "

"George W Bush has ... walked away from his international obligations, tearing up international treaties like the Kyoto Protocol and ABM treaty, which, however imperfect, have helped bring peace and environmental protection. The least we can say is that he has embarked on a dangerous journey. Why?

The answer is corporate payback. This has been the defining trait of President Bush's administration. His election was a straightforward capitalist venture for the energy corporations. Oil, gas, coal and nuclear companies are the power behind Bush; together, they donated more than $50 million dollars to put him in the White House. As soon as he was elected, it was payback time and Bush declared the Kyoto Protocol on reducing carbon-dioxide emissions dead and buried.
The message was: 'US corporations have the right to pollute the entire planet. The people and the environment don't matter.'"
http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/pollution.html#World

So instead of following the Protocol most of the planet is working towards the US now wants to place giant mirrors in space (lol) and pollute our Sky's further by filling it was dust.Who the hell thinks these things up, really. It seams the US is willing to try any idea no matter how ludicrous to allow their citizens to drive SUV's and its industries to continue polluting unrestrained. Other countries are polluters yes, but at least they are working towards manageable methods of climate control, not taking ideas out of a Jules Vern Book. Is this the final admission that the BUSH administration has lost the plot?
Discuss..........
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6876|Canberra, AUS
Now that's just stupid.

I can't even imagine that coming up in a brainstorm session.

Last edited by Spark (2007-01-27 06:35:27)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6653|Cambridge, UK

How can the US come up with a plan to stop something they say dosnt exist? doh
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6973|PNW

The Kyoto Protocol is Jesus Christ (re)incarnate. If only the US accepted, it would've cured AIDS and stopped war for good.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-01-27 06:46:42)

BVC
Member
+325|6897
I wonder what sort of middle east peace process Penn & Teller would come up with...
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6850

Spark wrote:

Now that's just stupid.

I can't even imagine that coming up in a brainstorm session.
It's hilarious if only in a scary way. It really does make me worry when the people in charge of the future of the planet think the best way to slow global warming is with 'space mirrors' rather than putting systems in place to curb the emission of greenhouse gases.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6829|IRELAND

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

The Kyoto Protocol is Jesus Christ (re)incarnate. If only the US accepted, it would've cured AIDS and stopped war for good.
Don't know what your getting at. The Kyoto Protocol was the first world wide effort to do something about a problem which has the potential to displace a 500million ppl this century. It is only effective if everyone signs up. The Protocol works to reduce CO2 output globally and was formulated by scientists across the globe.
The USA rejected it and went away for 3 years to come up with an alternative. That alternative is to put Giant mirrors in the sky and choke out the sun with dust? Is that the best the Scientific minds of the Bush administration could come up with? You can only rubbish a plan if you have a viable alternative, is this it?Surely the fuel required to lift these mirrors into orbit and keep them there maintained would outstrip the benefits? Does the whole planet have to be covered and live in a dusty smog which is now only seen in large cities so American industry doesn't suffer??
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6876|Canberra, AUS
Plus, the smoke idea is probably the dumbest thing to come out of a "scientific" mind since CFCs and leaded petrol (thank you, Thomas Midgely Jr, for those two). Apart from the clear smog impacts, that would have just two possible effects - extreme warming or extreme cooling (not much unlike the extreme cooling seen after the Tambora explosion)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Macca
Cylons' my kinda frak
+72|6647|Australia.
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DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6886|United States of America

JahManRed wrote:

Does the whole planet have to be covered and live in a dusty smog which is now only seen in large cities so American industry doesn't suffer??
You do not even know how much that sounds like a commercial for any of the air filters they sell in informercials on TV.
autopilot
banned
+115|6549

Thanks America!
JahManRed
wank
+646|6829|IRELAND

DesertFox423 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Does the whole planet have to be covered and live in a dusty smog which is now only seen in large cities so American industry doesn't suffer??
You do not even know how much that sounds like a commercial for any of the air filters they sell in informercials on TV.
Now you too can own your very own space mirror!! Neighbors pissing you off? Turn your  space mirror on his house giving them radiation burns. Bring your own little act of god to bear on his ass. You will be laughing with satisfaction as you watch his house melt.
To hot in the morning? Acid rain? That blanket of smog stripping the lining of your lungs? Not to worry, blast that smog and pollution away with your own personal space mirror, on offer today on QVC for a knock down price off $100000
For today only we are giving you a free space dust applicator which usually retails for $4000. Moved to the country and seeing the sun is freaking you out? Spacedustomatic will blanket that nasty blue sky out in an instance.
That better?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6568|Columbus, Ohio
Global Warming?  Stop volcanoes first then we will talk about hairspray and car exhaust.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6568|Columbus, Ohio
Since I could go find the other thread where people say the US is failing, and will not be a superpower but China will be the next superpower.  I ask you, shouldn't you be finding out what China's solution is and not the US?
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6855

usmarine2007 wrote:

Global Warming?  Stop volcanoes first then we will talk about hairspray and car exhaust.
Volcanoes = 110 million tons CO2
Everything else = 10 billion tons CO2

Volcanoes = 1%.  STFU = 100%.
samfink
Member
+31|6757
so they literally are using a smoke and mirrors solution to the problem.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6568|Columbus, Ohio

UON wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Global Warming?  Stop volcanoes first then we will talk about hairspray and car exhaust.
Volcanoes = 110 million tons CO2
Everything else = 10 billion tons CO2

Volcanoes = 1%.  STFU = 100%.
Can you respond without being an asshole about it?  Link where that cam from please?
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6855

usmarine2007 wrote:

UON wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Global Warming?  Stop volcanoes first then we will talk about hairspray and car exhaust.
Volcanoes = 110 million tons CO2
Everything else = 10 billion tons CO2

Volcanoes = 1%.  STFU = 100%.
Can you respond without being an asshole about it?  Link where that cam from please?
http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcano … fects.html
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6783|SE London

usmarine2007 wrote:

Global Warming?  Stop volcanoes first then we will talk about hairspray and car exhaust.
The ash from volcanoes causes more global cooling than the greenhouse gas emissions cause global warming. Overall large volcano eruptions have a positive effect on the climate.

*edit* As UON's link also shows.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-01-27 08:02:33)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6876|Canberra, AUS
Volcanic have very little affect - Plants and animals, however...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6783|SE London

usmarine2007 wrote:

Since I could go find the other thread where people say the US is failing, and will not be a superpower but China will be the next superpower.  I ask you, shouldn't you be finding out what China's solution is and not the US?
Not really, because China only contribute about half the amount of carbon emissions of the US. Everyone should be working together for a solution.

It's good to see Iran doing their bit and making efforts to shift to clean nuclear power.
JetSniper
R.I.P [EPIC]Pfcguinn
+113|6538

KylieTastic wrote:

How can the US come up with a plan to stop something they say dosnt exist? doh
do u watch the news?
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6783|SE London

Spark wrote:

Volcanic have very little affect - Plants and animals, however...
No, volcanoes have quite a significant impact. A large scale eruption can lead to a noticeable amount of global cooling, offseting global warming by about 10-15 years.
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6665|meh-land
has anyone ever heard that thing saying that slowing emissions would actually damage the world even more?

apparantly, the particles in the atmosphere cause global warming, but they also reflect a lot of sunlight.  If we stop emissions then the particles fall and global warming increases

Kyoto protocol was aimed specifically at damaging america, so there is a reason we didn't accept it

The space mirrors thing i've heard of but...
Best would be a solar screen thought that simply blocks a percentage of sunlight, but it would be difficult to do becuase of the distance it would have to be from the eart



then again i could just say what i always say and say that we should just let it go because it isn't really as important as every says so (global warming)
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6783|SE London

Blehm98 wrote:

has anyone ever heard that thing saying that slowing emissions would actually damage the world even more?
Yes and it's complete nonsense.

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