I didn't even think that the Minutemen were armed. From what I've heard, they sound like a group of people who call the border patrol if they see illegals. Nothing wrong with that. If they do kill someone, especially if they're still in Mexico, they'd be in trouble anyway, so I don't see the need for extra legislation.Elamdri wrote:
And what happens if one of these boarder men is injured or killed or injures or kills someone? Vigilantes are too romanticized by American society, if its not illegal now, then it should be.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
But that's just it, they aren't doing anything illegal. What this lawmaker wants to do is make what they are doing legally illegal.Elamdri wrote:
I just don't feel that an illegal response to a crime is the right approach. If your so worried, then give them federal status, maybe license them to do what they are currently doing, just make sure its regulated so that the people stay within the law.
How are they trained?
What happens when they meet a higher authority?
Do they give authority to the local jurisdicitions?
Are they coordinating their inherently dangerous activity with the local authority?
Just a few problems/questions to start - that's the tip of the iceberg.
The goal is sound, but vigilantism is not an answer in my opinion. There's an answer somewhere...we just aren't reaching for it.
Here's an example of good intentions gone bad:
My neighbor a block over has been leaving his car open and night, hiding in the bushes next to the car. When someone comes by amd takes the iPod box he leaves in the trunk, he jumps out. There has been thefts/mischief in our neighborhood.
Does your neighbor have the right to beat the crap out of your kid in that situation? Cuz that's what's happening. I guess he's drawing awareness to the police failures in my neighborhood...but he's going to jail for a spell...
What happens when they meet a higher authority?
Do they give authority to the local jurisdicitions?
Are they coordinating their inherently dangerous activity with the local authority?
Just a few problems/questions to start - that's the tip of the iceberg.
The goal is sound, but vigilantism is not an answer in my opinion. There's an answer somewhere...we just aren't reaching for it.
Here's an example of good intentions gone bad:
My neighbor a block over has been leaving his car open and night, hiding in the bushes next to the car. When someone comes by amd takes the iPod box he leaves in the trunk, he jumps out. There has been thefts/mischief in our neighborhood.
Does your neighbor have the right to beat the crap out of your kid in that situation? Cuz that's what's happening. I guess he's drawing awareness to the police failures in my neighborhood...but he's going to jail for a spell...
When your kid comes into my house against my wishes I will beat his ass silly. I don't give a shit if I left my door open or not.Pug wrote:
How are they trained?
What happens when they meet a higher authority?
Do they give authority to the local jurisdicitions?
Are they coordinating their inherently dangerous activity with the local authority?
Just a few problems/questions to start - that's the tip of the iceberg.
The goal is sound, but vigilantism is not an answer in my opinion. There's an answer somewhere...we just aren't reaching for it.
Here's an example of good intentions gone bad:
My neighbor a block over has been leaving his car open and night, hiding in the bushes next to the car. When someone comes by amd takes the iPod box he leaves in the trunk, he jumps out. There has been thefts/mischief in our neighborhood.
Does your neighbor have the right to beat the crap out of your kid in that situation? Cuz that's what's happening. I guess he's drawing awareness to the police failures in my neighborhood...but he's going to jail for a spell...
Just because you haven't taught your kids to RESPECT other peoples property, does not mean I have to feed, employ, adopt his kid, or allow him to live in my house when he comes in past my no tresspassing sign.
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Foreign nationals entering illegally do not have more rights than citizens. No one has the right not to get detained and arrested for crossing the border illegally. A diplomat is in the country legally, that has no bearing on this situation at all. If I enter any other country in the world illegally and I get caught, I get tossed in jail and then sent back. Why should it be any different in the US? And we wonder why we have issues with the border when folks like you advocate greater rights for illegals than for legal citizens.Fen321 wrote:
Actually that's not true, THEY do have rights in the United States, even if you for some odd reason wish they did not.
INTERNATIONAL LAW protects immigrants regardless of nationality, you cannot treat a foreign national like shit simply because they are foreign. You must treat them to the same level you treat your individuals if not HIGHER(for example a Diplomat for higher)!
Spittle - not my kid. 2nd - entrapment. 3rd - readily admits he was planning it. 4th - he's not the Herlihy boy so you don't need to adopt him.Major_Spittle wrote:
When your kid comes into my house against my wishes I will beat his ass silly. I don't give a shit if I left my door open or not.Pug wrote:
How are they trained?
What happens when they meet a higher authority?
Do they give authority to the local jurisdicitions?
Are they coordinating their inherently dangerous activity with the local authority?
Just a few problems/questions to start - that's the tip of the iceberg.
The goal is sound, but vigilantism is not an answer in my opinion. There's an answer somewhere...we just aren't reaching for it.
Here's an example of good intentions gone bad:
My neighbor a block over has been leaving his car open and night, hiding in the bushes next to the car. When someone comes by amd takes the iPod box he leaves in the trunk, he jumps out. There has been thefts/mischief in our neighborhood.
Does your neighbor have the right to beat the crap out of your kid in that situation? Cuz that's what's happening. I guess he's drawing awareness to the police failures in my neighborhood...but he's going to jail for a spell...
Just because you haven't taught your kids to RESPECT other peoples property, does not mean I have to feed, employ, adopt his kid, or allow him to live in my house when he comes in past my no tresspassing sign.
There's a difference between beating the crap out of someone if they "happen" to be in your house, and dressing up in camo gear (including face paint), hiding in the bushes next to your car which just so happens to have a $400 iPod sitting in an open trunk as bait, and then beat the living piss out of a 12 or 13 year old for taking it.
What a dysfunctional idiot... geez.Pug wrote:
.... There's a difference between beating the crap out of someone if they "happen" to be in your house, and dressing up in camo gear (including face paint), hiding in the bushes next to your car which just so happens to have a $400 iPod sitting in an open trunk as bait, and then beat the living piss out of a 12 or 13 year old for taking it.
Perhaps, but that's an extremely gray area legally. Entrapment comes into problems when we start talking about cases like rape. No one certainly accepts the argument that a woman in skimpy clothes "asked for it," so why should we protect people who steal something out in the open. In the scenario you posted, entrapment may be more relevant, but in most cases the fact that an item was out in the open doesn't make it free to take.Pug wrote:
Spittle - not my kid. 2nd - entrapment. 3rd - readily admits he was planning it. 4th - he's not the Herlihy boy so you don't need to adopt him.Major_Spittle wrote:
When your kid comes into my house against my wishes I will beat his ass silly. I don't give a shit if I left my door open or not.Pug wrote:
How are they trained?
What happens when they meet a higher authority?
Do they give authority to the local jurisdicitions?
Are they coordinating their inherently dangerous activity with the local authority?
Just a few problems/questions to start - that's the tip of the iceberg.
The goal is sound, but vigilantism is not an answer in my opinion. There's an answer somewhere...we just aren't reaching for it.
Here's an example of good intentions gone bad:
My neighbor a block over has been leaving his car open and night, hiding in the bushes next to the car. When someone comes by amd takes the iPod box he leaves in the trunk, he jumps out. There has been thefts/mischief in our neighborhood.
Does your neighbor have the right to beat the crap out of your kid in that situation? Cuz that's what's happening. I guess he's drawing awareness to the police failures in my neighborhood...but he's going to jail for a spell...
Just because you haven't taught your kids to RESPECT other peoples property, does not mean I have to feed, employ, adopt his kid, or allow him to live in my house when he comes in past my no tresspassing sign.
There's a difference between beating the crap out of someone if they "happen" to be in your house, and dressing up in camo gear (including face paint), hiding in the bushes next to your car which just so happens to have a $400 iPod sitting in an open trunk as bait, and then beat the living piss out of a 12 or 13 year old for taking it.
WTF does what your neighbor beating up theives have to do with someone breaking into our country illegally? Are you saying if you leave the door to your house open that anyone has the right to just walk in and make themselves at home???Pug wrote:
Spittle - not my kid. 2nd - entrapment. 3rd - readily admits he was planning it. 4th - he's not the Herlihy boy so you don't need to adopt him.Major_Spittle wrote:
When your kid comes into my house against my wishes I will beat his ass silly. I don't give a shit if I left my door open or not.Pug wrote:
How are they trained?
What happens when they meet a higher authority?
Do they give authority to the local jurisdicitions?
Are they coordinating their inherently dangerous activity with the local authority?
Just a few problems/questions to start - that's the tip of the iceberg.
The goal is sound, but vigilantism is not an answer in my opinion. There's an answer somewhere...we just aren't reaching for it.
Here's an example of good intentions gone bad:
My neighbor a block over has been leaving his car open and night, hiding in the bushes next to the car. When someone comes by amd takes the iPod box he leaves in the trunk, he jumps out. There has been thefts/mischief in our neighborhood.
Does your neighbor have the right to beat the crap out of your kid in that situation? Cuz that's what's happening. I guess he's drawing awareness to the police failures in my neighborhood...but he's going to jail for a spell...
Just because you haven't taught your kids to RESPECT other peoples property, does not mean I have to feed, employ, adopt his kid, or allow him to live in my house when he comes in past my no tresspassing sign.
There's a difference between beating the crap out of someone if they "happen" to be in your house, and dressing up in camo gear (including face paint), hiding in the bushes next to your car which just so happens to have a $400 iPod sitting in an open trunk as bait, and then beat the living piss out of a 12 or 13 year old for taking it.
You're a stupid little kid that knows nothing about life and will fail miserably at it.
LOL - comparing vigilante action - doing what is right instead of respecting the law. Sorry you missed that. It illustrates the issue - is a vigilante part of the legal system in the US?Major_Spittle wrote:
WTF does what your neighbor beating up theives have to do with someone breaking into our country illegally? Are you saying if you leave the door to your house open that anyone has the right to just walk in and make themselves at home???
You're a stupid little kid that knows nothing about life and will fail miserably at it.
Show some maturity plz.
There's a RIGHT way to accomplish the goal. In the case I posted, both are sides are to blame.UGADawgs wrote:
Perhaps, but that's an extremely gray area legally. Entrapment comes into problems when we start talking about cases like rape. No one certainly accepts the argument that a woman in skimpy clothes "asked for it," so why should we protect people who steal something out in the open. In the scenario you posted, entrapment may be more relevant, but in most cases the fact that an item was out in the open doesn't make it free to take.
The basic premise of the Minutemen is sort of like a neighborhood watch. They are there to watch the border and call in proper authorities when they notice illegals coming across the border. Are there some bad apples, I'm sure there are. But is it fair to punish the whole organization for it? Also, the law says they can't carry weapons while doing this work. To me this is foolish because the majority of the states that the Minutemen "patrol" are right to carry states. This, to me, sounds like giving preference to the illegals versus a citizen of our country. Also, the papers today are saying how Mexico caught 11 Iraqis there with illegal papers. Were they there on vacation or was it an attempt to cross our porous borders?
Because Mexican immigrants = $$$$$fadedsteve wrote:
The minutemen seem to be the only ones who give a shit about protecting our sovereignty from Mexico. . .
They are out their everyday trying to enfore our laws. . .why is it that they cant get support from our government?. . .why is it that civilians are doing what the government is supposed to do?. . .which is enforce our border laws/policy, which means ILLEGAL immigration is fucking illegal and those who violate our laws be prosecuted!
Why is the rule of law so hard to follow in regards to this issue. . .
They are organized and therefore should be responsible. I haven't heard anything "great" about the organization, although I don't see a problem with what they are trying to accomplish.TROLL14 wrote:
The basic premise of the Minutemen is sort of like a neighborhood watch. They are there to watch the border and call in proper authorities when they notice illegals coming across the border. Are there some bad apples, I'm sure there are. But is it fair to punish the whole organization for it?
However, if there has been enough problems to have legislation brought about to correct their actions, I would suspect that this isn't a matter of a few minor infractions. Could be too harsh...
The only other way to get the organization to work better with local authorities may mean the local authorities train them. I don't think the gov't is interested in deputizing a group that operations outside of the control of the gov't. So it's kind of a Catch-22.
First of all, I wouldn't call what they are doing as vigilantism. A vigilanty plays judge, jury, and executioner. These people do nothing but prevent illegals from entering the country. They call the border patrol to handle the arrest of the illegals.
As far as I'm concerned, this is just Neighborhood Watch on a slightly larger scale.
As far as I'm concerned, this is just Neighborhood Watch on a slightly larger scale.
Major, your misunderstanding it. What Pug's neighbor is doing is vigilantism, or actively seeking criminals in order to punish them for their misdeeds, whereas if you were to attack an intruder into your home, it would cross over the line into self defense(although you would need to be careful, beating someone senseless could easily be turned on you in court).Major_Spittle wrote:
When your kid comes into my house against my wishes I will beat his ass silly. I don't give a shit if I left my door open or not.Pug wrote:
My neighbor a block over has been leaving his car open and night, hiding in the bushes next to the car. When someone comes by amd takes the iPod box he leaves in the trunk, he jumps out. There has been thefts/mischief in our neighborhood.
Does your neighbor have the right to beat the crap out of your kid in that situation? Cuz that's what's happening. I guess he's drawing awareness to the police failures in my neighborhood...but he's going to jail for a spell...
Just because you haven't taught your kids to RESPECT other peoples property, does not mean I have to feed, employ, adopt his kid, or allow him to live in my house when he comes in past my no tresspassing sign.
Its no different than people who go online and bait pedophiles and then report their findings to the police. It's morally a good thing for them to do that, but really, it's not something they should be doing.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
First of all, I wouldn't call what they are doing as vigilantism. A vigilanty plays judge, jury, and executioner. These people do nothing but prevent illegals from entering the country. They call the border patrol to handle the arrest of the illegals.
As far as I'm concerned, this is just Neighborhood Watch on a slightly larger scale.
A Neighborhood Watch with guns. Plus its inherently dangerous for both sides.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
First of all, I wouldn't call what they are doing as vigilantism. A vigilanty plays judge, jury, and executioner. These people do nothing but prevent illegals from entering the country. They call the border patrol to handle the arrest of the illegals.
As far as I'm concerned, this is just Neighborhood Watch on a slightly larger scale.
I'm having a difficult time with this one - its obvious that the gov't needs to do more and the Minutemen are stepping up, but they almost are like a militia (based on what little I know about them). I would think the solution should come from the government and hasn't...but it should.
What worries me (I'm a few hundred miles from the border) is the following: pick a random 20 people from your neighborhood who have no training, give them guns and let them roam. That's what it looks like, although I'm sure that isn't what's happening.
I Live in South Texas in a border town name Laredo...i don't see any negative affects of hospitals, justice system, schools, or the economy. The only problem that is bigger than immigration is Drug Cartels from across the border trying to get in. Also i remember that my town once had the minutemen but they were ..how can i put it this way....''thrown out'' and guess what the fucker said to our mayor...(who is in fact a Hispanic). The bastard call him a wetback...you see my point is that haveing an organization like them promotes racism even if they deny it. i mean Come on! calling any Hispanic a wetback is insanely insulting especially if your great grandparents ''Legally" came to U.S.fadedsteve wrote:
Tell that explanation to a Union member and see if you don't get a fist in the face. . . .Turquoise wrote:
Steve, there are two simple answers to your questions.
One of them was brought to my attention by ATG -- the government profits from a lot of illegal labor without having to pay out for it (in terms of Social Security fraud by illegals).
The other reason is because we get cheaper services from illegal labor. Our cost of living is generally lower due to illegal labor.
Our hospitals, justice system, schools, and economy have been NEGATIVELY affected by illegal immigration.
I live in California, the front line of this problem, and I can tell you illegal immigration is NOT good! Its in fact a major problem here, and needs to be dealt with. Those who don't live in states affected, have absolutely no idea, the cultural, monetary, and legal ramifications this problem is dealing to our local communities.
You living in North Carolina... you have no clue
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You're a conservative that supports unions? That doesn't sound very economically conservative to me.fadedsteve wrote:
Tell that explanation to a Union member and see if you dont get a fist in the face. . . .Turquoise wrote:
Steve, there are two simple answers to your questions.
One of them was brought to my attention by ATG -- the government profits from a lot of illegal labor without having to pay out for it (in terms of Social Security fraud by illegals).
The other reason is because we get cheaper services from illegal labor. Our cost of living is generally lower due to illegal labor.
Our hospitals, justice system, schools, and economy have been NEGATIVELY affected by illegal immigration.
I live in California, the front line of this problem, and I can tell you illegal immigration is NOT good! Its infact a major problem here, and needs to be dealt with. Those who dont live in states affected, have absolutely no idea, the cultural, monetary, and legal ramifications this problem is dealing to our local communities.
You living in North Carolina... you have no clue
I would agree with your mentioning of the negative effects. I'm sorry if you thought that I was saying all the repercussions are good.
It's just not rational to say it's all bad either though....
EDIT: FYI, NC has the 3rd largest illegal immigrant population in the U.S., so yes, I do have a clue.
Last edited by Turquoise (2007-01-24 18:30:06)
Having a cry-ass call the Minutemen racist promotes racism. Mexicans jumping the fence and breaking the laws promotes racism. Defending people breaking the law and playing the race card to do it promotes racism. Coming to America illegally and demanding that America speaks your language is racist.DemonAlucard wrote:
I Live in South Texas in a border town name Laredo...i don't see any negative affects of hospitals, justice system, schools, or the economy. The only problem that is bigger than immigration is Drug Cartels from across the border trying to get in. Also i remember that my town once had the minutemen but they were ..how can i put it this way....''thrown out'' and guess what the fucker said to our mayor...(who is in fact a Hispanic). The bastard call him a wetback...you see my point is that haveing an organization like them promotes racism even if they deny it. i mean Come on! calling any Hispanic a wetback is insanely insulting especially if your great grandparents ''Legally" came to U.S.fadedsteve wrote:
Tell that explanation to a Union member and see if you don't get a fist in the face. . . .Turquoise wrote:
Steve, there are two simple answers to your questions.
One of them was brought to my attention by ATG -- the government profits from a lot of illegal labor without having to pay out for it (in terms of Social Security fraud by illegals).
The other reason is because we get cheaper services from illegal labor. Our cost of living is generally lower due to illegal labor.
Our hospitals, justice system, schools, and economy have been NEGATIVELY affected by illegal immigration.
I live in California, the front line of this problem, and I can tell you illegal immigration is NOT good! Its in fact a major problem here, and needs to be dealt with. Those who don't live in states affected, have absolutely no idea, the cultural, monetary, and legal ramifications this problem is dealing to our local communities.
You living in North Carolina... you have no clue
You sir, are a racist.
You missed the point.. the Drug Cartels really are the problem with border security, not the illegal labor so much.Major_Spittle wrote:
Having a cry-ass call the Minutemen racist promotes racism. Mexicans jumping the fence and breaking the laws promotes racism. Defending people breaking the law and playing the race card to do it promotes racism. Coming to America illegally and demanding that America speaks your language is racist.DemonAlucard wrote:
I Live in South Texas in a border town name Laredo...i don't see any negative affects of hospitals, justice system, schools, or the economy. The only problem that is bigger than immigration is Drug Cartels from across the border trying to get in. Also i remember that my town once had the minutemen but they were ..how can i put it this way....''thrown out'' and guess what the fucker said to our mayor...(who is in fact a Hispanic). The bastard call him a wetback...you see my point is that haveing an organization like them promotes racism even if they deny it. i mean Come on! calling any Hispanic a wetback is insanely insulting especially if your great grandparents ''Legally" came to U.S.fadedsteve wrote:
Tell that explanation to a Union member and see if you don't get a fist in the face. . . .
Our hospitals, justice system, schools, and economy have been NEGATIVELY affected by illegal immigration.
I live in California, the front line of this problem, and I can tell you illegal immigration is NOT good! Its in fact a major problem here, and needs to be dealt with. Those who don't live in states affected, have absolutely no idea, the cultural, monetary, and legal ramifications this problem is dealing to our local communities.
You living in North Carolina... you have no clue
You sir, are a racist.
i am not a racist at all....and who said anything about demanding America to speak Spanish... thats the worst idea ever. if someone wants to live in the U.S. they have to learn English...and btw i am not defending illegals breaking the law..i don't like them crossing illegally as much as anyone but the fact still remains.. minutemen will attract white supremacist..i am not saying every single one of them are...but some are.Major_Spittle wrote:
Having a cry-ass call the Minutemen racist promotes racism. Mexicans jumping the fence and breaking the laws promotes racism. Defending people breaking the law and playing the race card to do it promotes racism. Coming to America illegally and demanding that America speaks your language is racist.DemonAlucard wrote:
I Live in South Texas in a border town name Laredo...i don't see any negative affects of hospitals, justice system, schools, or the economy. The only problem that is bigger than immigration is Drug Cartels from across the border trying to get in. Also i remember that my town once had the minutemen but they were ..how can i put it this way....''thrown out'' and guess what the fucker said to our mayor...(who is in fact a Hispanic). The bastard call him a wetback...you see my point is that haveing an organization like them promotes racism even if they deny it. i mean Come on! calling any Hispanic a wetback is insanely insulting especially if your great grandparents ''Legally" came to U.S.fadedsteve wrote:
Tell that explanation to a Union member and see if you don't get a fist in the face. . . .
Our hospitals, justice system, schools, and economy have been NEGATIVELY affected by illegal immigration.
I live in California, the front line of this problem, and I can tell you illegal immigration is NOT good! Its in fact a major problem here, and needs to be dealt with. Those who don't live in states affected, have absolutely no idea, the cultural, monetary, and legal ramifications this problem is dealing to our local communities.
You living in North Carolina... you have no clue
You sir, are a racist.
Why the hell would America speak Spanish when English is the lingua franca? Spanish is a garbage language, like Italian and French. Which is why I wanna know why High School courses only teach Spanish, Italian, and French, but not German, Russian, Chinese, Farsi, or some other useful language.DemonAlucard wrote:
i am not a racist at all....and who said anything about demanding America to speak Spanish... thats the worst idea ever. if someone wants to live in the U.S. they have to learn English...and btw i am not defending illegals breaking the law..i don't like them crossing illegally as much as anyone but the fact still remains.. minutemen will attract white supremacist..i am not saying every single one of them are...but some are.Major_Spittle wrote:
Having a cry-ass call the Minutemen racist promotes racism. Mexicans jumping the fence and breaking the laws promotes racism. Defending people breaking the law and playing the race card to do it promotes racism. Coming to America illegally and demanding that America speaks your language is racist.DemonAlucard wrote:
I Live in South Texas in a border town name Laredo...i don't see any negative affects of hospitals, justice system, schools, or the economy. The only problem that is bigger than immigration is Drug Cartels from across the border trying to get in. Also i remember that my town once had the minutemen but they were ..how can i put it this way....''thrown out'' and guess what the fucker said to our mayor...(who is in fact a Hispanic). The bastard call him a wetback...you see my point is that haveing an organization like them promotes racism even if they deny it. i mean Come on! calling any Hispanic a wetback is insanely insulting especially if your great grandparents ''Legally" came to U.S.
You sir, are a racist.
Actually several states have bilingual education systems, and also some states have considered becoming bilingual. In Peoria I'm pretty sure Spanish is not as useful as it is for me.Elamdri wrote:
Why the hell would America speak Spanish when English is the lingua franca? Spanish is a garbage language, like Italian and French. Which is why I wanna know why High School courses only teach Spanish, Italian, and French, but not German, Russian, Chinese, Farsi, or some other useful language.
As far as the other languages I ask you this - how useful is it in your town? How many people do you know that speak those languages? How many of those people are qualified to teach it in high school? Is there a demand for these classes in high school? There is a demand to teach Spanish in Texas...
Did I really need to answer that question?
They want the Mexican vote. All hispanic Americans that don't vote for a politician because said politician wants to secure the border, aren't Americans at all.
I've nothing against immigration, but when our borders are unsecure in the times we're living in, it's unaccpetable to let it continue. It's like all the protests the Hispanic community did here in Dallas. I know someone that went to pay a water bill at the court house in his area, and the "protesters" were a bunch of kids that just did it to get out of school, playing in the fountain and just fucking around completely.
All the protests were a joke. Illegal aliens illegally protesting about being illegal. Does that make any sense? Why should we listen to an illegal alien when they're not supposed to be here anyways?
Fucking shit people. I say we get the border jumpers, Coneheads style. Catch them as they cross, put a bomb ring around their neck, and throw them back into the gutter where they came from. When they try and cross the border, an electronic line would be set up that if they cross it, their heads are blown off. I bet they stop then...
Oh yeah, anyways, back to the subject. This stupid bitch is only doing this crap to look good to voters, nothing more. She needs to be voted out of office and banished from holding a public works job.
I've nothing against immigration, but when our borders are unsecure in the times we're living in, it's unaccpetable to let it continue. It's like all the protests the Hispanic community did here in Dallas. I know someone that went to pay a water bill at the court house in his area, and the "protesters" were a bunch of kids that just did it to get out of school, playing in the fountain and just fucking around completely.
All the protests were a joke. Illegal aliens illegally protesting about being illegal. Does that make any sense? Why should we listen to an illegal alien when they're not supposed to be here anyways?
Fucking shit people. I say we get the border jumpers, Coneheads style. Catch them as they cross, put a bomb ring around their neck, and throw them back into the gutter where they came from. When they try and cross the border, an electronic line would be set up that if they cross it, their heads are blown off. I bet they stop then...
Oh yeah, anyways, back to the subject. This stupid bitch is only doing this crap to look good to voters, nothing more. She needs to be voted out of office and banished from holding a public works job.