BF2S Forums Israelis argue U.S. destabilizing Middle East

I agree.
Americas policy choices seem pretty retarded.
We should make ourselves independent of foreign oil, that'd show them

ATG wrote:

I agree.
Americas policy choices seem pretty retarded.
We should make ourselves independent of foreign oil, that'd show them

I've long thought that would be the best way to fuck them up, you buy what 3/4 of the worlds supply?  If they don't have that income they'll be screwed.  They could sell to China, but in the face of less competition for oil they'd extract a lower price.

I most interested in seeing how America's foreign policy and "war on terror" develops with the next presidency....

the war on terror will most likely die and all we have done so far will be lost.  We MUST finish our job by 09 or the terrorists will be better off than they started

ATG wrote:

I know longer understand exactly what we are doing in Iraq, or why we are there at all.

Then why do you constantly defend Bush and the invasion of Iraq?

Unfortunately it seems to have disappeared, but I think we all remember your thread about the US soldier given and award by Bush.......................

Other than the depths you went to in order to support him?

ATG wrote:

I dunno about that last line but as for the notion that we are destabilizing the Middle East I say, duh.
After 9-11 we faced a harsh reality; we had to face Islam, or at least the public face of it as a menace and grim enemy. I'm sorry if this seems upsetting to you, but think about it; 19 whacked out dudes took out the Trade Center, imagine what a few hundred million could do if united. We also had to face the reality that making a parking lot or field of glass out of the area was not realistic. So we turned them against one another.

After 9-11 you should have stopped taken a breath and firstly analyzed, why did they attack us? Find the answer to that. Look inwards on your own foreign policies for answers.
Then how did they attack us? And act on homeland security. Tighten immigration, boarders and airport security.
Then ask, why didn't we know they were going to attack us? Start implanting moles and informants through the Islamic fundamentalists.
Yes go into Afghanistan to over throw the harborers of Al Queda. But stay and do it right, not spread yourself too thin.
There was no need to go into Iraqi. Saddam despised Al Queda, he was worried that Al Queda would grow powerful and threaten his own Regine. Bush Co took their eye of the ball. They abandoned their pledge to protect the American people, instead using the Attack as a pretext to invading Iraqi to secure its vast oil reserves. Putting thousands of the people they swore to protect in the firing line. Many reasons for invading Iraqi are slung about. One of which was the fact that Iraqi fired Scud missiles down on Israel during GW1 and was invaded to protect Israel. Israel have now stated that the opposite is in fact the case. The middle east is only big enough for one group of rich westerners to bully the locals.

Reasons to go to war in Iraqi.
Stop the proliferation of WMD's---------------No WMD's factories found.Iran, threatened, started to develop nukes.-----negative.
Stop the 'immanent' use of WMD's.--------------No WMD's found--------negative.
Protect Israel-----------------------------------See above--------------negative.
Free the Iraqi People--------------------------100murders a day, still little water or power-------negative.
Stabilize the region---------------------------Turn on your TV.-------negative.
Get the oil--------------------------------------Being pumped out throughout the conflict---------Positive.

At the end of the day the people dying in Iraqi, American and Iraqi are far removed for the rich white oil men sitting in the clean A/C oval office making the decisions. Decisions which place profit and economics over human life...shame on them.
So are the American foreign policy supporters on these boards finally ready to admit that the single reason for invading Iraqi was to in stow an American friendly government, willing to export its oil?


A few thousand men created havoc in Ireland and the UK for thirty years. The UK government at the start used the same tactics the US is using in Iraqi. All they did was recruit more terrorists and make themselves look extremely bad on the world stage. Snap and Snap!
Counter insurgency, intelligence, informers were all much more successful. But ultimately didn't work either. What did work however was diplomacy. People sat down and talked and concessions were traded on both sides. Yeah it took 15 years but we are nearly there.
The reality of Iraqi and its problems can only be solved over time. There is no quick solution. Throwing more troops in won't work. Being more brutal won't work, flying DC-10's ladened with cash in won't work either.
If the US is serious about freedom and democracy in Iraqi they need to be looking at a 15-20 year plan. Can you imagine congress approving such a plan? I can't, but its the only solution if you look from the Iraqi peo-peoples point of view. So the only thing to do is pull the hell out ASAP. Yes their will be a blood bath, yes governments will be over thrown, yes a dictator will end up back in power, but unless the coalition comes out and openly puts forward some kind of plan that isn't a quick fix to 'their' oil problem, the people will have no confidence in America,UK or the new Iraqi government.

Oh and hopefully the American people will see Israel for what it really is. Ready to switch sides at a moments notice to further her own shady causes. Remember the King David Hotel?

Iraq was in fact writing checks to the families of suicide bombers. That would have been a much greater case to take action against Saddam in my mind.

Hey ATG, if we went and attacked Iraq for Oil and previously we had attacked Afghanistan, which we surprisingly want to build a pipeline through, what possible reasons would we then have for invading Iran? I wonder...

Sounds to me like we want a trifecta oil grab here.

Its evident by our lack of foresight in how to handle a post-Saddam Iraq that there was no real merit in the reasons stated to the American public, and to the rest of the world for that matter. Its just an example of the dictatorship that exist within America, its only a matter of time before people realize the seriously flaws within this style of governance.