looks photoshopped
Man, I wish I could pee out as much know-it-all testosterone onto the floor as all of you guys.
It's like watching a bunch of ten-year olds fighting during the lunch break... "Nuh-uh.... my dad could kick your dad's ass!"
Oh yeah, well you know the Dead Sea.... my Dad killed it.
It's like watching a bunch of ten-year olds fighting during the lunch break... "Nuh-uh.... my dad could kick your dad's ass!"
Oh yeah, well you know the Dead Sea.... my Dad killed it.
That was a photo shopped picture. There haven't been any engagements between USAF Aircraft and PRC aircraft since the Korean War.Marlboroman82 wrote:
looks photoshopped
Well my mom could kick your dads ass.Boomerjinks wrote:
Man, I wish I could pee out as much know-it-all testosterone onto the floor as all of you guys.
It's like watching a bunch of ten-year olds fighting during the lunch break... "Nuh-uh.... my dad could kick your dad's ass!"
Oh yeah, well you know the Dead Sea.... my Dad killed it.
it was a jokeCommie Killer wrote:
That was a photo shopped picture. There haven't been any engagements between USAF Aircraft and PRC aircraft since the Korean War.Marlboroman82 wrote:
looks photoshopped
Oh yeah give me a listing of all the missions the F22 has done and then I might think of responding seeing you cant understand something simple. For an aircraft to be in active service it has to have served in a warzone according to F22 pilots and the people who run research they are still making all the techniques for flying the plane.Commie Killer wrote:
Well besides the fact that the paragraph(if you want to call it that) that you just typed didnt make sense.....spray_and_pray wrote:
Wrong and oh wrong aircraft models and designs are updated the F15 released 30 years ago is a lot more different from the one flying now. Did I say the F16 was the best jet no? But here you make yourself fail M-U-L-T-I R-O-L-E it can destroy air targets and attack the ground. It is still a FIGHTER aircraft not a BOMBER aircraft there is your difference. So hey you fail at proper discussion.Commie Killer wrote:
Well considering the Eurofighter is close to 7 years old compared to the F15 which is over 30 years old.....you fail.....also considering the F16 is not a air superiority fighter but a multi role cheaply produced aircraft you fail times 2.
I think your saying something about the F15C model which was entered into service in 1979(which is still 21 years before 2000 dumbass) are continualy upgraded? Those are the two air superiority fighter models which only upgrades are in the weapons department and possibly in radar, cant remember. Also you are calling the F16C(Im assuming it is the C model since you seem to not have the capability of designating the models) the United States of America's second best jet? Id pick a F18 or a F/A 18 over it any day.
Oh yeah, one more thing, the F22A is now in service.....you fail again.
you can have the best jet on the planet, but if your pilot is for shit, the plane isn't for shit. and we all know who has the best pilots on the planet...the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!! BIAAAATCHES!!
Regardless of what you all say about my reply, I stick with my beliefs that the Americans are too cocky and eventually a bite in the ass is gonna bring u bitches down, flame me all you want, but thats my opinion, after all this is a debates forum.hate&discontent wrote:
you can have the best jet on the planet, but if your pilot is for shit, the plane isn't for shit. and we all know who has the best pilots on the planet...the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!! BIAAAATCHES!!
The US doesnt necessarily have the best pilots on the planet Mate, please tell me how you came up with that retarded comment, are you a retard yourself? Or just a cocky little 10 year old kid.
So, where's your source saying every thing you just said. I'd like links to sites for both the active service thing and the foolish "still making techniques" thing. You don't come up with techniques by doing research, you do it by being desperate in the field.spray_and_pray wrote:
Oh yeah give me a listing of all the missions the F22 has done and then I might think of responding seeing you cant understand something simple. For an aircraft to be in active service it has to have served in a warzone according to F22 pilots and the people who run research they are still making all the techniques for flying the plane.Commie Killer wrote:
Well besides the fact that the paragraph(if you want to call it that) that you just typed didnt make sense.....spray_and_pray wrote:
Wrong and oh wrong aircraft models and designs are updated the F15 released 30 years ago is a lot more different from the one flying now. Did I say the F16 was the best jet no? But here you make yourself fail M-U-L-T-I R-O-L-E it can destroy air targets and attack the ground. It is still a FIGHTER aircraft not a BOMBER aircraft there is your difference. So hey you fail at proper discussion.
I think your saying something about the F15C model which was entered into service in 1979(which is still 21 years before 2000 dumbass) are continualy upgraded? Those are the two air superiority fighter models which only upgrades are in the weapons department and possibly in radar, cant remember. Also you are calling the F16C(Im assuming it is the C model since you seem to not have the capability of designating the models) the United States of America's second best jet? Id pick a F18 or a F/A 18 over it any day.
Oh yeah, one more thing, the F22A is now in service.....you fail again.
I'm an American and I know that:codeseven.spitfire wrote:
Regardless of what you all say about my reply, I stick with my beliefs that the Americans are too cocky and eventually a bite in the ass is gonna bring u bitches down, flame me all you want, but thats my opinion, after all this is a debates forum.hate&discontent wrote:
you can have the best jet on the planet, but if your pilot is for shit, the plane isn't for shit. and we all know who has the best pilots on the planet...the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!! BIAAAATCHES!!
The US doesnt necessarily have the best pilots on the planet Mate, please tell me how you came up with that retarded comment, are you a retard yourself? Or just a cocky little 10 year old kid.
The British have better MB Tank then us
The euro copter thingy by Germany and trance is as good if not better then the Apache
The Super J-10 can kill a F-15 ON PAPER but I am doubtful about the F-22 thing
British troops are better trained (or so I've heard)
Germany has the best field artillery gun (we still have the best shell though...guided artillery ^_^)
The Brits could have beat our ass to hell In the revolutionary war if they REALLY wanted too.
This is sssssoooooo stupid. I'm amazed by the amount of idiots here. Even most the people acting like they know what they're talking about are idiots. Boomerjinks hit the nail on the head, this is like the 5th grade. Just because you play BF2 and logged on to Wikipedia, doesn't make you a millitary expert.
Oh and BTW; lay off the USA, best country in the world end of story. If you have some kind of jealously issues and can't handle the fact that you suck, you can just go screw yourself.
Oh and BTW; lay off the USA, best country in the world end of story. If you have some kind of jealously issues and can't handle the fact that you suck, you can just go screw yourself.
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Hmmm how do I source the news when they were interviewing a military specialist a few days ago. Active service means it has already been to war. I know the aircraft has already been made but whoever you quoted you just proved yourself wrong. If the US is the best airforce in the world they wouldn't deploy an aircraft which they still haven't mastered all the techniques for. The person in charge of the program said something like, "It will still be a while until they are put into a warzone for we are still refining our tactics and techniques". If you want info on it google it yourself cause im too lazy. From what I read 1 week ago why should I remember or save every individual link? My bad if I said it wrong but it hasn't been in an active warzone and its tactics are still being made. The F15C isn't anything special and the Mig29 is better then it in 7 points, like someone else said why the fuck are you comparing technology from 30 years ago to an F22. Nice how we can all play that game.Pernicious544 wrote:
So, where's your source saying every thing you just said. I'd like links to sites for both the active service thing and the foolish "still making techniques" thing. You don't come up with techniques by doing research, you do it by being desperate in the field.spray_and_pray wrote:
Oh yeah give me a listing of all the missions the F22 has done and then I might think of responding seeing you cant understand something simple. For an aircraft to be in active service it has to have served in a warzone according to F22 pilots and the people who run research they are still making all the techniques for flying the plane.Commie Killer wrote:
Well besides the fact that the paragraph(if you want to call it that) that you just typed didnt make sense.....
I think your saying something about the F15C model which was entered into service in 1979(which is still 21 years before 2000 dumbass) are continualy upgraded? Those are the two air superiority fighter models which only upgrades are in the weapons department and possibly in radar, cant remember. Also you are calling the F16C(Im assuming it is the C model since you seem to not have the capability of designating the models) the United States of America's second best jet? Id pick a F18 or a F/A 18 over it any day.
Oh yeah, one more thing, the F22A is now in service.....you fail again.
BTW as I said in A vs B aircraft as long as they are around the same mark depend on a good pilot. Thats why they're not sending noobs to fly F22's.
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Japan is planning to buy a few F-22's if the pentagon allows them :s
And you are correct. Dunno about the eurocopter (because it's ugly as sin and I prefer Russian designs), but the super J-10 would probably be able to whup an F-15 in a dogfight.Pernicious544 wrote:
I'm an American and I know that:
The British have better MB Tank then us
The euro copter thingy by Germany and trance is as good if not better then the Apache
The Super J-10 can kill a F-15 ON PAPER but I am doubtful about the F-22 thing
British troops are better trained (or so I've heard)
Germany has the best field artillery gun (we still have the best shell though...guided artillery ^_^)
The Brits could have beat our ass to hell In the revolutionary war if they REALLY wanted too.
However, the Challenger 2 is accepted as the world's best MBT, due to RPGs bouncing off it better than anything else. (However, the Abrams will still beat it in a drag race due to the turbine. The T-80 will run rings around both of them, being half the weight with the same power.)
And we could so have beaten your asses in your war of independence if we weren't trying to get rid of you. We kept the bit with all the resources in (Canada) and left you with the swamps, dustbowls, mountains, and deserts.
The British army is better trained, and better disciplined. Also, our Marines swear more. (Another factoid is that the ancient Land Rover outperforms the Hummvee off-road, but American over-engineering wins out in a straight drag race.)
A Mig-29 outshines the F15 in 7 things a Mig-29 being released the same time as the F15 a Super 10 will be able to beat an F15 if its better then the eurofighter typhoon.Skorpy-chan wrote:
And you are correct. Dunno about the eurocopter (because it's ugly as sin and I prefer Russian designs), but the super J-10 would probably be able to whup an F-15 in a dogfight.Pernicious544 wrote:
I'm an American and I know that:
The British have better MB Tank then us
The euro copter thingy by Germany and trance is as good if not better then the Apache
The Super J-10 can kill a F-15 ON PAPER but I am doubtful about the F-22 thing
British troops are better trained (or so I've heard)
Germany has the best field artillery gun (we still have the best shell though...guided artillery ^_^)
The Brits could have beat our ass to hell In the revolutionary war if they REALLY wanted too.
However, the Challenger 2 is accepted as the world's best MBT, due to RPGs bouncing off it better than anything else. (However, the Abrams will still beat it in a drag race due to the turbine. The T-80 will run rings around both of them, being half the weight with the same power.)
And we could so have beaten your asses in your war of independence if we weren't trying to get rid of you. We kept the bit with all the resources in (Canada) and left you with the swamps, dustbowls, mountains, and deserts.
The British army is better trained, and better disciplined. Also, our Marines swear more. (Another factoid is that the ancient Land Rover outperforms the Hummvee off-road, but American over-engineering wins out in a straight drag race.)
Wow I guess J-10 needs a nerf IRL just like in batelfildZ.
So, you expect me to believe that you saw or read something and don't have anything to back it up? Nope not buying it.spray_and_pray wrote:
Hmmm how do I source the news when they were interviewing a military specialist a few days ago.
I quoted you, smarty pantsspray_and_pray wrote:
whoever you quoted you just proved yourself wrong.
Its a plane, it goes up, down, left and right. You basically make old techniques better with newer tech. How can you master something like the "rolling scissors" technique of a single plane when every plane in the past has been able to do the dame maneuver?spray_and_pray wrote:
If the US is the best airforce in the world they wouldn't deploy an aircraft which they still haven't mastered all the techniques for.
Once again I ask for a source, because you say your too lazy (which is alright because lazy is good at times ) and that I should find it makes me think you don't have anything to show me.spray_and_pray wrote:
The person in charge of the program said something like, "It will still be a while until they are put into a warzone for we are still refining our tactics and techniques". If you want info on it google it yourself cause im too lazy.
Um they were saying that to you dude...and they said that you were comparing a 30 year old airframe with a shiny new one that would whoop its old ass. I'm just skeptical of the whole F-22<Super-10 thing as commies have said crap like this for the past 75 years and the fact that fucking Wal-Mart makes more money in a year then Russia also leads me to believe that they aren't as far as they say they are with their plasma thingy.spray_and_pray wrote:
The F15C isn't anything special and the Mig29 is better then it in 7 points, like someone else said why the fuck are you comparing technology from 30 years ago to an F22.
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Plasma stealth wait a bit im off to get links seeing you couldn't bother with it. Every aircraft has different characteristics to another aircraft. Some aircraft are more capable at certain things then others. If an aircraft has a certain aspect which will make it good at doing certain things damn right theyre going to be researching techniques especially since this is a thrust vectoring supposed to be stealth aircraft. They gotta figure out what its limits are and arent what it can withstand and what it cant etc etc what speeds it can fly at and keep its stealth ability or what angles will make it more prone to being spotted by a radar. Things like this, since this aircraft is different to anything else the US has they arent going to send it into the battlefield to see how it performs.Pernicious544 wrote:
So, you expect me to believe that you saw or read something and don't have anything to back it up? Nope not buying it.spray_and_pray wrote:
Hmmm how do I source the news when they were interviewing a military specialist a few days ago.I quoted you, smarty pantsspray_and_pray wrote:
whoever you quoted you just proved yourself wrong.
Its a plane, it goes up, down, left and right. You basically make old techniques better with newer tech. How can you master something like the "rolling scissors" technique of a single plane when every plane in the past has been able to do the dame maneuver?spray_and_pray wrote:
If the US is the best airforce in the world they wouldn't deploy an aircraft which they still haven't mastered all the techniques for.
Once again I ask for a source, because you say your too lazy (which is alright because lazy is good at times ) and that I should find it makes me think you don't have anything to show me.spray_and_pray wrote:
The person in charge of the program said something like, "It will still be a while until they are put into a warzone for we are still refining our tactics and techniques". If you want info on it google it yourself cause im too lazy.Um they were saying that to you dude...and they said that you were comparing a 30 year old airframe with a shiny new one that would whoop its old ass. I'm just skeptical of the whole F-22<Super-10 thing as commies have said crap like this for the past 75 years and the fact that fucking Wal-Mart makes more money in a year then Russia also leads me to believe that they aren't as far as they say they are with their plasma thingy.spray_and_pray wrote:
The F15C isn't anything special and the Mig29 is better then it in 7 points, like someone else said why the fuck are you comparing technology from 30 years ago to an F22.
Here's a link for F22 testing all that etc what they have been doing. Also if you serach Mig-29 etc you will find certain aircraft as well as searching Sukhoi aircraft. This is the same link I gave to parker use it wisely.
First 2 lines here
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … -train.htm
"Boeing is developing a total training system for the Air Force to support all F-22 pilot and maintenance training requirements throughout the life cycle of the aircraft."
If the F22 was similar to any aircraft out now why would they spend so much money on a training system instead of using the F15, F16, F18 training system. Even the F15 and F16 have a big enough difference that they have totally different procedures.
Japan's F22. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … /f-22j.htm .
Fuck australia will possibly by an F22 if so im signing up to the airforce its got more sex appeal then the F18 thats for sure.
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Well the pilots do certainly make a difference and the U.S. does have some of the worlds best although I've been told that the Israelis may be better.codeseven.spitfire wrote:
Regardless of what you all say about my reply, I stick with my beliefs that the Americans are too cocky and eventually a bite in the ass is gonna bring u bitches down, flame me all you want, but thats my opinion, after all this is a debates forum.hate&discontent wrote:
you can have the best jet on the planet, but if your pilot is for shit, the plane isn't for shit. and we all know who has the best pilots on the planet...the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!! BIAAAATCHES!!
The US doesnt necessarily have the best pilots on the planet Mate, please tell me how you came up with that retarded comment, are you a retard yourself? Or just a cocky little 10 year old kid.
I don't think worlds best pilots are based on country but moreover on the individual's in the airforce and their motivation.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Well the pilots do certainly make a difference and the U.S. does have some of the worlds best although I've been told that the Israelis may be better.codeseven.spitfire wrote:
Regardless of what you all say about my reply, I stick with my beliefs that the Americans are too cocky and eventually a bite in the ass is gonna bring u bitches down, flame me all you want, but thats my opinion, after all this is a debates forum.hate&discontent wrote:
you can have the best jet on the planet, but if your pilot is for shit, the plane isn't for shit. and we all know who has the best pilots on the planet...the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!! BIAAAATCHES!!
The US doesnt necessarily have the best pilots on the planet Mate, please tell me how you came up with that retarded comment, are you a retard yourself? Or just a cocky little 10 year old kid.
Well of course but the countries do train their pilots in their own way. I'm simply saying that Israel may have the best individual pilots. At least from what I've been told.spray_and_pray wrote:
I don't think worlds best pilots are based on country but moreover on the individual's in the airforce and their motivation.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Well the pilots do certainly make a difference and the U.S. does have some of the worlds best although I've been told that the Israelis may be better.codeseven.spitfire wrote:
Regardless of what you all say about my reply, I stick with my beliefs that the Americans are too cocky and eventually a bite in the ass is gonna bring u bitches down, flame me all you want, but thats my opinion, after all this is a debates forum.
The US doesnt necessarily have the best pilots on the planet Mate, please tell me how you came up with that retarded comment, are you a retard yourself? Or just a cocky little 10 year old kid.
Possibly so they are probably the most under threat country in the world. I mean being surrounded by a bunch of neighbours that want to wipe you off the earth. Id hope that they have good pilots.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Well of course but the countries do train their pilots in their own way. I'm simply saying that Israel may have the best individual pilots. At least from what I've been told.spray_and_pray wrote:
I don't think worlds best pilots are based on country but moreover on the individual's in the airforce and their motivation.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Well the pilots do certainly make a difference and the U.S. does have some of the worlds best although I've been told that the Israelis may be better.
Perhaps they need a new training system because it's a new airplane? Just a thought. Not to mention, since the F-15, F-16, and F-18 have been around a couple of years, and we've made all these badassed advancements in computing power since then, it might perhaps make sense to create a new training system to exploit our new technologies? Again, just a thought.spray_and_pray wrote:
Here's a link for F22 testing all that etc what they have been doing. Also if you serach Mig-29 etc you will find certain aircraft as well as searching Sukhoi aircraft. This is the same link I gave to parker use it wisely.
First 2 lines here
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … -train.htm
"Boeing is developing a total training system for the Air Force to support all F-22 pilot and maintenance training requirements throughout the life cycle of the aircraft."
If the F22 was similar to any aircraft out now why would they spend so much money on a training system instead of using the F15, F16, F18 training system. Even the F15 and F16 have a big enough difference that they have totally different procedures.
Sorry lol, some people on here would think that it is a real picture though.....Marlboroman82 wrote:
it was a jokeCommie Killer wrote:
That was a photo shopped picture. There haven't been any engagements between USAF Aircraft and PRC aircraft since the Korean War.Marlboroman82 wrote:
looks photoshopped
Israelis are very good dog figthers from what Ive heard, they make all there kills in visual range.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Well the pilots do certainly make a difference and the U.S. does have some of the worlds best although I've been told that the Israelis may be better.codeseven.spitfire wrote:
Regardless of what you all say about my reply, I stick with my beliefs that the Americans are too cocky and eventually a bite in the ass is gonna bring u bitches down, flame me all you want, but thats my opinion, after all this is a debates forum.hate&discontent wrote:
you can have the best jet on the planet, but if your pilot is for shit, the plane isn't for shit. and we all know who has the best pilots on the planet...the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!! BIAAAATCHES!!
The US doesnt necessarily have the best pilots on the planet Mate, please tell me how you came up with that retarded comment, are you a retard yourself? Or just a cocky little 10 year old kid.
For it to be in active service it has to be part of a active unit......which it is.spray_and_pray wrote:
Oh yeah give me a listing of all the missions the F22 has done and then I might think of responding seeing you cant understand something simple. For an aircraft to be in active service it has to have served in a warzone according to F22 pilots and the people who run research they are still making all the techniques for flying the plane.Commie Killer wrote:
Well besides the fact that the paragraph(if you want to call it that) that you just typed didnt make sense.....spray_and_pray wrote:
Wrong and oh wrong aircraft models and designs are updated the F15 released 30 years ago is a lot more different from the one flying now. Did I say the F16 was the best jet no? But here you make yourself fail M-U-L-T-I R-O-L-E it can destroy air targets and attack the ground. It is still a FIGHTER aircraft not a BOMBER aircraft there is your difference. So hey you fail at proper discussion.
I think your saying something about the F15C model which was entered into service in 1979(which is still 21 years before 2000 dumbass) are continualy upgraded? Those are the two air superiority fighter models which only upgrades are in the weapons department and possibly in radar, cant remember. Also you are calling the F16C(Im assuming it is the C model since you seem to not have the capability of designating the models) the United States of America's second best jet? Id pick a F18 or a F/A 18 over it any day.
Oh yeah, one more thing, the F22A is now in service.....you fail again.