UON
Junglist Massive
+223|7079

Marlboroman82 wrote:

UON wrote:

So, it's currently legal, but that may change in the future.  Saddam used mustard gas in the 80's right, but it wasn't illegal until 1993.
so i guess that made it ok to gas thousands of innocent civilians.
Hate to break it to you, but in that sentence I'm talking about legality of specific weapons not morality of mass murder.  Do you really think I believe genocide is morally justifiable? Of course not.  I expect you are just deliberately trolling for an overreaction.

Yes, it was morally wrong to use such indiscriminate weapons, but since the charges have now been dropped against Saddam his name has essentially been cleared of the crime.  I'm actually arguing that it was wrong to drop the charges and wrong execute him before he faced the charges.

Since we are talking about morality, where did the weapons came from?  Those weapons were sold for use on Iran, and they were turned on the Kurds due to the belief that they had sided with Iran in the Iran-Iraq war.  According to Saddam's interpretation he was using them as per agreement with the country that sold him them.  Which one was it again?

blisteringsilence wrote:

By this argument, you would have to agree that Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, only killed 2 people and only injured one.
Except I'm not saying Saddam didn't do it.  I'm saying you need due process to prove he did it.  I'm not familiar with the Unabomba case in detail, but if the prosecution accepted a plea on some of the charges because they thought it improved the chances of others then he is not legally accountable for the ones they dropped, whether he did it or not.

And regarding the top half, I'm refering to the CWC which closed the legal loophole which allowed Saddam's stockpile and America's chemical weapons arms sales as I'm sure you guessed.

Last edited by UON (2007-01-16 15:16:26)

DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7111|United States of America
I find it odd that they managed to screw up a hanging. During the Middle Ages, some European country ( I believe England) developed a formula to determine the proper length of rope needed to knock the person unconscious on the drop. It had to do with rope length, weight, and distance of drop. Poor quality hanging, if I must say so.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|7079

DesertFox423 wrote:

I find it odd that they managed to screw up a hanging. During the Middle Ages, some European country ( I believe England) developed a formula to determine the proper length of rope needed to knock the person unconscious on the drop. It had to do with rope length, weight, and distance of drop. Poor quality hanging, if I must say so.
"In 1872, William Marwood introduced the "long drop" to Britain for the execution of Frederick Horry at Lincoln prison, as a scientifically worked out way of giving the prisoner a humane death. It is thought to have been invented by doctors in Ireland. "

http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.c … ging2.html
sfarrar33
Halogenoalkane
+57|7044|InGerLand

Marlboroman82 wrote:

UON wrote:

So, it's currently legal, but that may change in the future.  Saddam used mustard gas in the 80's right, but it wasn't illegal until 1993.
so i guess that made it ok to gas thousands of innocent civilians.
legality vs morality
made it ok but didn't make it right
you can apply it too all kinds of things
abortion: i can kill/remove/destroy (whatever helps you sleep at night) my unborn foetus but does this make it right?
self defense (in parts of america): you enter my house, i think you are an armed thief so i shoot you, i get away with it as self defense, but still your dead and did i have the right to kill you?
death penalty: You kill hundreds of innocent people and therefore i hang your evil arse, but does that mean that it was my right to terminate your life?

personally a redeming feature of Saddam is that when he was accused of being guilty he went to the gallows quietly and not going "BUT I DIDN'T GAS THEM I SWEAR IT IS ALL LIES" i mean it isn't enough to forgive him, but it's better than nothing and means he keeps a miniscule shred of dignity.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6793|Columbus, Ohio

UON wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Waaahhh...they hanged him.  Waaaahhh they shot him.  Waaaahhh they broke his nail.  Waaaaahhh he has no cable TV in his cell.  God some of you people drive me nuts.  He is innocent...free saddam mandela....
Waaahh.... people hate America....waaaahhhhh but double standards are easier to live by......waaaahhhhh and the UN always votes against us.... waaaaaahhhh human rights only apply to Americans why won't they understaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ummm....ok.

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