Fine and great, but still... it is not official Iran position. They still continue to lie that their program have noting to do with bombs.Braddock wrote:
Iran want nukes so that they can do exactly what Israel does... rest easy in the knowledge that they have the big weapons
Poll
Is Iran pursuing Nuclear Technology for Weapons?
| Yes | 78% | 78% - 84 | ||||
| No | 21% | 21% - 23 | ||||
| Total: 107 | ||||||
Sadly thanks to many Western media outlets and much US sabre-rattling many people in the Western world picture Iran as some sort of desert civilisation where everyone rides a camel and where every single woman is oppressed by direct order of some supreme Mullah who calls all the shots when in fact it is a modern society; a complex, mish-mash of moderate and traditional Islamic values, where women, in many cases, have more freedoms and rights than most other Middle Eastern countries. It's ironically a lot like the US in many ways - a country full of predominantly nice people but with a scary religious streak that runs through it and sometimes bubbles threateningly to the surface.Varegg wrote:
Who do most people asume that Iran is so willing to use nuclear weapons if they get them?
Do Iranians not value their own lives like we do so they might as well just blow the planet to bits and pieces, is that your concern?
You get back to me when you've sorted out those 52 UN resolutions.Lisik wrote:
Fine and great, but still... it is not official Iran position. They still continue to lie that their program have noting to do with bombs.Braddock wrote:
Iran want nukes so that they can do exactly what Israel does... rest easy in the knowledge that they have the big weapons
Notice that Iranian nuclear bombs will not be controlled by live loving peoples you are talking about. The bombs will be in control of fanatical Iranian leaders. Those who supplies Hamas and Hezbolla, and god knows who else...Varegg wrote:
Who do most people asume that Iran is so willing to use nuclear weapons if they get them?
Do Iranians not value their own lives like we do so they might as well just blow the planet to bits and pieces, is that your concern?
And what is the official israeli position concerning their own nukes? lolLisik wrote:
Fine and great, but still... it is not official Iran position. They still continue to lie that their program have noting to do with bombs.Braddock wrote:
Iran want nukes so that they can do exactly what Israel does... rest easy in the knowledge that they have the big weapons
And don't worry.. the soviet union was wiped off the map and nobody died... Same will happen with the zionist regime, you will even be allowed to stay in the new country of Palestine and live in peace will the palestinians..
And they will probably give you more rights than you already give them now.
btw Ahmadinetc said "vanish from the pages of times".. not "wiped off the map".. learn to speak farsi.
Braddock wrote:
when in fact it is a modern society;
they ARE a modern society!
Israeli nukes are in the hands of Zionist extremists and they haven't been used yet. Stop trying to equate Iranian Government officials with Al Qaeda, they have been elected to power by normal everyday Iranians... they are no more full of hate and extremism than the likes of Ariel Sharon or Moshe Dayan.Lisik wrote:
Notice that Iranian nuclear bombs will not be controlled by live loving peoples you are talking about. The bombs will be in control of fanatical Iranian leaders. Those who supplies Hamas and Hezbolla, and god knows who else...Varegg wrote:
Who do most people asume that Iran is so willing to use nuclear weapons if they get them?
Do Iranians not value their own lives like we do so they might as well just blow the planet to bits and pieces, is that your concern?
That fact that you compered tiny lame Israel, to mega fucking huge Soviet empire - made my day.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
And don't worry.. the soviet union was wiped off the map and nobody died...
tbhParker wrote:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x96/ … 0_full.gifBraddock wrote:
when in fact it is a modern society;
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug05/Iran-Hanging.jpg
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/howieiraflogging.jpg
they ARE a modern society!
reality shows us - they are!Braddock wrote:
they are no more full of hate and extremism
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H1jEKUBhiz4
Ahhh Good old Google images...Parker wrote:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x96/ … 0_full.gifBraddock wrote:
when in fact it is a modern society;
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug05/Iran-Hanging.jpg
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/howieiraflogging.jpg
they ARE a modern society!
Many of the brutal attacks and executions in Iran are carried out by rogue militia groups that operate at different levels from neighbourhood to neighbourhood. Such actions could be compared to the actions of scumbag soldiers who torture prisoners or deadbeat organisations like Blackwater who operate as though they are above the law.
Shall I dig up some nice footage of Israeli soldiers shall I? I'm no fan boy of Iran by the way, you lot are all as bad as each other to be quite honest.Lisik wrote:
reality shows us - they are!Braddock wrote:
they are no more full of hate and extremism
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H1jEKUBhiz4
What about the IRGC? They're th eones infiltrating Iraq, kidnapping and executing soldiers.Braddock wrote:
Ahhh Good old Google images...Parker wrote:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x96/ … 0_full.gifBraddock wrote:
when in fact it is a modern society;
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug05/Iran-Hanging.jpg
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/howieiraflogging.jpg
they ARE a modern society!
http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g … 670043.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gp … B/610x.jpg
http://www.cs.brown.edu/courses/cs024/i … non/05.jpg
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2004/0430-hood.jpg
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Ab … n04p11.jpg
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Ab … n04p13.jpg
Many of the brutal attacks and executions in Iran are carried out by rogue militia groups that operate at different levels from neighbourhood to neighbourhood. Such actions could be compared to the actions of scumbag soldiers who torture prisoners or deadbeat organisations like Blackwater who operate as though they are above the law.
from what i am reading, it seems that most of these are taking place publicly.....with the police being the ones who dish out the punishment.Braddock wrote:
Many of the brutal attacks and executions in Iran are carried out by rogue militia groups that operate at different levels from neighbourhood to neighbourhood.
i suppose that could be the case. though scumbag soldiers and Blackwater dont hold the record for the most public executions...Braddock wrote:
Such actions could be compared to the actions of scumbag soldiers who torture prisoners or deadbeat organisations like Blackwater who operate as though they are above the law.
that would be.....you guessed it, Iran.
One of those pics is from like, decades ago. Comparing it with what Iran does now, today, is kinda off. Sort of reinforces the basis that Iran is stuck in the past.
I thought it was America who infiltrated Iraq and killed loads of soldiers, no?M.O.A.B wrote:
What about the IRGC? They're th eones infiltrating Iraq, kidnapping and executing soldiers.Braddock wrote:
Ahhh Good old Google images...Parker wrote:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x96/ … 0_full.gif
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug05/Iran-Hanging.jpg
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/howieiraflogging.jpg
they ARE a modern society!
http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g … 670043.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gp … B/610x.jpg
http://www.cs.brown.edu/courses/cs024/i … non/05.jpg
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2004/0430-hood.jpg
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Ab … n04p11.jpg
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Ab … n04p13.jpg
Many of the brutal attacks and executions in Iran are carried out by rogue militia groups that operate at different levels from neighbourhood to neighbourhood. Such actions could be compared to the actions of scumbag soldiers who torture prisoners or deadbeat organisations like Blackwater who operate as though they are above the law.
I think the issue would be the Middle East isn't very stable.Varegg wrote:
Who do most people asume that Iran is so willing to use nuclear weapons if they get them?
Do Iranians not value their own lives like we do so they might as well just blow the planet to bits and pieces, is that your concern?
So why would we want to introduce another newer element - another nuclear M.A.D. policy to the mix.
Actually China came top in 2007 I think!Parker wrote:
from what i am reading, it seems that most of these are taking place publicly.....with the police being the ones who dish out the punishment.Braddock wrote:
Many of the brutal attacks and executions in Iran are carried out by rogue militia groups that operate at different levels from neighbourhood to neighbourhood.
i suppose that could be the case. though scumbag soldiers and Blackwater dont hold the record for the most public executions...Braddock wrote:
Such actions could be compared to the actions of scumbag soldiers who torture prisoners or deadbeat organisations like Blackwater who operate as though they are above the law.
that would be.....you guessed it, Iran.
I'm not going to argue with you that most Middle Eastern countries are stuck in the past but the fact is Iran is probably more moderate than half of its neighbours on a wider cultural and attitudinal level; just look at the role women have there compared with other Arab States. Look at America's old buddies Saudi Arabia, they are just as bad as Iran when it comes to executions (when population is taken into account - half the population and half the number of annual executions) but the US don't seem half as concerned about this for some reason. My use of old US images was just intended to illustrate that it wasn't so long ago that US soil ran with the blood of the oppressed.
I'm going to go with a downgraded rhetoric coming from Saudi Arabia when compared to Iran on that one.Braddock wrote:
Look at America's old buddies Saudi Arabia, they are just as bad as Iran when it comes to executions (when population is taken into account - half the population and half the number of annual executions) but the US don't seem half as concerned about this for some reason.
Well at the moment you have a one-sided nuclear conundrum.Pug wrote:
I think the issue would be the Middle East isn't very stable.Varegg wrote:
Who do most people asume that Iran is so willing to use nuclear weapons if they get them?
Do Iranians not value their own lives like we do so they might as well just blow the planet to bits and pieces, is that your concern?
So why would we want to introduce another newer element - another nuclear M.A.D. policy to the mix.
Which is a little more stable then two imo
Au contraire... the concept of MAD kinda relies on both sides having nuclear capabilities tbh!Pug wrote:
Which is a little more stable then two imo
No kidding but still my point is validBraddock wrote:
Au contraire... the concept of MAD kinda relies on both sides having nuclear capabilities tbh!Pug wrote:
Which is a little more stable then two imo
I'd rather not see any more nukes anywhere imo
Iran infiltrates the borders and kidnaps soldiers from checkpoints attempting to maintain security to the region as well as supplying weaponary. Numerours times Iranian made weapons and high tech weaposn that can only really come from Iran have been found and used throughout the country by insurgents.Braddock wrote:
I thought it was America who infiltrated Iraq and killed loads of soldiers, no?M.O.A.B wrote:
What about the IRGC? They're th eones infiltrating Iraq, kidnapping and executing soldiers.Braddock wrote:
Ahhh Good old Google images...
http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g … 670043.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gp … B/610x.jpg
http://www.cs.brown.edu/courses/cs024/i … non/05.jpg
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2004/0430-hood.jpg
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Ab … n04p11.jpg
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Ab … n04p13.jpg
Many of the brutal attacks and executions in Iran are carried out by rogue militia groups that operate at different levels from neighbourhood to neighbourhood. Such actions could be compared to the actions of scumbag soldiers who torture prisoners or deadbeat organisations like Blackwater who operate as though they are above the law.