Poll

The blame for Iraq

George W. Bush36%36% - 57
The Republican Party18%18% - 28
The Democrat Party18%18% - 28
Other27%27% - 42
Total: 155
Cybargs
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Pierre wrote:

Capt_Flapjack wrote:

I say its the goddamn terrorists.  If they hadn't gone Jihad on us, we wouldnt be forced to kick their ass.
Why did they go Jihad on you?
Because they hate the infedels who don't follow the words of Allah and Mohammed.
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falafel
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the reps. cous bush is just a marionette
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the media.

fuckers.
UON
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lowing wrote:

stat tuned, and bubbalo and OUN will explain why a soldier killing an enemy during wartime is "technically" murder and thus should be charged with it, then sent to prison for life, ( because they don't believe in the death penalty I am sure)
Techically it's legal under international law, unless they have surrendered.  Stay tuned, and lowing will explain how lining up surrendered enemies and shooting them in the back of the head is self-defence.
usmarine2007
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falafel wrote:

the reps. cous bush is just a marionette
huh? jibba jabba?
Cybargs
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UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

stat tuned, and bubbalo and OUN will explain why a soldier killing an enemy during wartime is "technically" murder and thus should be charged with it, then sent to prison for life, ( because they don't believe in the death penalty I am sure)
Techically it's legal under international law, unless they have surrendered.  Stay tuned, and lowing will explain how lining up surrendered enemies and shooting them in the back of the head is self-defence.
Since when are American soldiers doing that?
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

stat tuned, and bubbalo and OUN will explain why a soldier killing an enemy during wartime is "technically" murder and thus should be charged with it, then sent to prison for life, ( because they don't believe in the death penalty I am sure)
Techically it's legal under international law, unless they have surrendered.  Stay tuned, and lowing will explain how lining up surrendered enemies and shooting them in the back of the head is self-defence.
Since when are American soldiers doing that?
lowing didn't specify any exclusions to the statement that a soldier killing an enemy during wartime isn't murder.  So I mentioned one instance where it would be considered murder.
Cybargs
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UON wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

UON wrote:


Techically it's legal under international law, unless they have surrendered.  Stay tuned, and lowing will explain how lining up surrendered enemies and shooting them in the back of the head is self-defence.
Since when are American soldiers doing that?
lowing didn't specify any exclusions to the statement that a soldier killing an enemy during wartime isn't murder.  So I mentioned one instance where it would be considered murder.
Soldiers killing enemy combatants in combat is not murder, but lining up POW's and Executing them is against the rules of war.
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Bertster7
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

stat tuned, and bubbalo and OUN will explain why a soldier killing an enemy during wartime is "technically" murder and thus should be charged with it, then sent to prison for life, ( because they don't believe in the death penalty I am sure)
Techically it's legal under international law, unless they have surrendered.  Stay tuned, and lowing will explain how lining up surrendered enemies and shooting them in the back of the head is self-defence.
Since when are American soldiers doing that?
It happens.

BBC wrote:

Four US soldiers are to face court martial over the alleged rape of an Iraqi girl and murder of her and her family, the US military has said.
Things like that. I'm glad to say that they are being held accountable for their actions though.
usmarine2007
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Bertster7 wrote:

BBC wrote:

Four US soldiers are to face court martial over the alleged rape of an Iraqi girl and murder of her and her family, the US military has said.
Things like that. I'm glad to say that they are being held accountable for their actions though.
Right.....who ever said that was legal in the first place?
Bertster7
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

BBC wrote:

Four US soldiers are to face court martial over the alleged rape of an Iraqi girl and murder of her and her family, the US military has said.
Things like that. I'm glad to say that they are being held accountable for their actions though.
Right.....who ever said that was legal in the first place?
No one. But someone did ask "Since when are American soldiers doing that [murdering people]?".

I just answered that. I'm not calling it terrorism or saying it's legal or anything like that. I'm saying unfortunately in the real world bad stuff like that does happen. Not all American soldiers (or soldiers of any nationality) are saints, I'm sure there are some who are proper cunts (I'd be suprised if it were more than a small minority, but some definately are).
lowing
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Pierre wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

So, basically, you feel it is the world's responsibility to fix the mistakes of a few nations?
Well bubbalo, I kinda looked at like we were in combat against repeated Bali bombings, repeated London bombings, repeated Spain bombings ( although appeasement and cowering seems to work best for them), against attacks in the Phillipines as well as repeated 911 attacks. The mistakes that were made were by the world burying its head in the sand for too long hoping this problem would go away.
What problem(s) do you refer to?
If you don't think terrorsim is a problem for the world, then YOU and people like you,  are part of the same problem

Last edited by lowing (2007-01-15 15:28:53)

lowing
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UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

stat tuned, and bubbalo and OUN will explain why a soldier killing an enemy during wartime is "technically" murder and thus should be charged with it, then sent to prison for life, ( because they don't believe in the death penalty I am sure)
Techically it's legal under international law, unless they have surrendered.  Stay tuned, and lowing will explain how lining up surrendered enemies and shooting them in the back of the head is self-defence.
Do you have a reference or an accusation to make against the US? Or are is this comment really supposed to be outta left field??
Catbox
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The war on terror in Iraq and the rest of the world isnt over yet...  it will take a long time but we will win... and we will protect even the morons who dont think there are any terror issues in the world...
Love is the answer
Bertster7
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[TUF]Catbox wrote:

The war on terror in Iraq and the rest of the world isnt over yet...  it will take a long time but we will win... and we will protect even the morons who dont think there are any terror issues in the world...
You (we) can't win. It's impossible.

A war on terrorism will, by its very nature, create more terrorists. The best you can hope for is to reduce the number of terrorists and to limit the arms they can get their hands on.

That's the whole problem with the war on terror. It's pretty much futile.
UON
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lowing wrote:

UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

stat tuned, and bubbalo and OUN will explain why a soldier killing an enemy during wartime is "technically" murder and thus should be charged with it, then sent to prison for life, ( because they don't believe in the death penalty I am sure)
Techically it's legal under international law, unless they have surrendered.  Stay tuned, and lowing will explain how lining up surrendered enemies and shooting them in the back of the head is self-defence.
Do you have a reference or an accusation to make against the US? Or are is this comment really supposed to be outta left field??
Just explaining how a soldier killing an enemy during wartime can be "technically" murder.  You did ask, didn't you?

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UON
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Bertster7 wrote:

A war on terrorism will, by its very nature, create more terrorists. The best you can hope for is to reduce the number of terrorists and to limit the arms they can get their hands on.
Which will probably just force a shift towards homemade explosives and soft targets, since direct confrontation with armed forces will result in certain death anyway if you don't even have a gun.
lowing
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UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

UON wrote:


Techically it's legal under international law, unless they have surrendered.  Stay tuned, and lowing will explain how lining up surrendered enemies and shooting them in the back of the head is self-defence.
Do you have a reference or an accusation to make against the US? Or are is this comment really supposed to be outta left field??
Just explaining how a soldier killing an enemy during wartime can be "technically" murder.  You did ask, didn't you?

http://media.npr.org/programs/day/featu … urb200.jpg
I hope you are not trying to use the picture of an innocent soldier as your example to prove your point. He was justified and no charges were brought on him. Better go dig through YOU TUBE and try again. Cuz pretty much, you didn't prove shit with that picture. Uh, "technically" speaking.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/marine.asp
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

Do you have a reference or an accusation to make against the US? Or are is this comment really supposed to be outta left field??
Just explaining how a soldier killing an enemy during wartime can be "technically" murder.  You did ask, didn't you?

http://media.npr.org/programs/day/featu … urb200.jpg
I hope you are not trying to use the picture of an innocent soldier as your example to prove your point. He was justified and no charges were brought on him. Better go dig through YOU TUBE and try again. Cuz pretty much, you didn't prove shit with that picture. Uh, "technically" speaking.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/marine.asp
I thought I already had that one covered with the US soldiers who raped an Iraqi girl and murdered her family.

Technically speaking of course.

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weamo8
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Other: The Iraqi people.  What a bunch of chicken shits.
lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

UON wrote:


Just explaining how a soldier killing an enemy during wartime can be "technically" murder.  You did ask, didn't you?

http://media.npr.org/programs/day/featu … urb200.jpg
I hope you are not trying to use the picture of an innocent soldier as your example to prove your point. He was justified and no charges were brought on him. Better go dig through YOU TUBE and try again. Cuz pretty much, you didn't prove shit with that picture. Uh, "technically" speaking.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/marine.asp
I thought I already had that one covered with the US soldiers who raped an Iraqi girl and murdered her family.

Technically speaking of course.
Well then since when is an Iraqi girl or her family an enemy soldier on the battlefield? SO pretty much outside the realms of the post ain't it?
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:


I hope you are not trying to use the picture of an innocent soldier as your example to prove your point. He was justified and no charges were brought on him. Better go dig through YOU TUBE and try again. Cuz pretty much, you didn't prove shit with that picture. Uh, "technically" speaking.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/marine.asp
I thought I already had that one covered with the US soldiers who raped an Iraqi girl and murdered her family.

Technically speaking of course.
Well then since when is an Iraqi girl or her family an enemy soldier on the battlefield? SO pretty much outside the realms of the post ain't it?
True, it's still US soldiers murdering Iraqis.

But you've done a good job with your link showing numerous cases. Such as Staff Sgt Johnny Horne convicted of murdering a wounded Iraqi soldier.
ATG
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Where's the popcorn when it's needed.
UON
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Sorry, but was that snopes link for a reason?  It's says "true" in big letters at the top, then later down it says he only got off from lack of evidence (obviously they expected 3 angles in HD and witness statements from the other soldiers.  Riiiiiiiiiiiight)... and your link also mentions a couple of incidents where soldiers didn't get off. 

But whatever, I was merely gave an example of a situation where killing an enemy during wartime can be murder.  It genuinely was a purely hypothetical example in response to your "stay tuned" challenge... but you pressed the point like it has never and could never be done by an American soldier....

Last edited by UON (2007-01-15 16:21:40)

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WMD'S FOUND IN IRAQ! Now quit saying there was none.

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