RingPirate
Member
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The Holy Roman Empire lasted even a little longer than the Roman Empire until Napoleon brought it down after over 900 years although it wasn't as powerful as the Roman Empire though.

Anyway, I don't think you can compare to USA to Rome. Today the USA are the only superpower in the world, and that I think is going to change. Although it's quite obvious American policy is to maintain and expand the current position. My bet ist that it will come down to economics more than military power and there USA won't stay on top. Just, my 2 cents.

Last edited by RingPirate (2007-01-11 03:17:17)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6911|132 and Bush

The Romans never had the ability to destroy the entire planet.. when we fall you all are coming with us bitches..lol (Jokes of course)

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-11 03:24:28)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
lastr0
Member
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The Bartenders Son wrote:

joker8baller wrote:

The Bartenders Son wrote:

Terrorist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found one!!!!!!!!
Well... I can see your immaturity then.
LOL i can live with that.. if you can live with not taking a joke...
You started this topic, which is quite relevant to what's going on in the world right now, yet you are too immature to handle it. My suggestion is you refrain from posting in here.

As for the people who think that, when the US falls, every other country will fall too..nothing is what it seems.
The US itself doesn't mean ANYTHING, It's just the center where the big leaders of the world (The rockefellers, CFR,..) are all gathered.
The Jewish people, those are the ones who lead the world, they happen to be all gathered in the US, which makes the US a big nation. But once the power of the US is vaporizing, so will the top people ( The Jew) move on to the new upcoming power...it's been like this forever.

So my points is:

Within 7years the US will FALL as no other country has ever fallen..

Last edited by lastr0 (2007-01-11 03:26:14)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6911|132 and Bush

lastr0 wrote:

The Bartenders Son wrote:

joker8baller wrote:


Well... I can see your immaturity then.
LOL i can live with that.. if you can live with not taking a joke...
You started this topic, which is quite relevant to what's going on in the world right now, yet you are too immature to handle it. My suggestion is you refrain from posting in here.

As for the people who think that, when the US falls, every other country will fall too..nothing is what it seems.
The US itself doesn't mean ANYTHING, It's just the center where the big leaders of the world (The rockefellers, CFR,..) are all gathered.
The Jewish people, those are the ones who lead the world, they happen to be all gathered in the US, which makes the US a big nation. But once the power of the US is vaporizing, so will the top people ( The Jew) move on to the new upcoming power...it's been like this forever.

So my points is:

Within 7years the US will FALL as no other country has ever fallen..
Please elaborate on how the American Jews (2 percent of the population) run the world.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
lastr0
Member
+7|6657

Kmarion wrote:

lastr0 wrote:

The Bartenders Son wrote:

LOL i can live with that.. if you can live with not taking a joke...
You started this topic, which is quite relevant to what's going on in the world right now, yet you are too immature to handle it. My suggestion is you refrain from posting in here.

As for the people who think that, when the US falls, every other country will fall too..nothing is what it seems.
The US itself doesn't mean ANYTHING, It's just the center where the big leaders of the world (The rockefellers, CFR,..) are all gathered.
The Jewish people, those are the ones who lead the world, they happen to be all gathered in the US, which makes the US a big nation. But once the power of the US is vaporizing, so will the top people ( The Jew) move on to the new upcoming power...it's been like this forever.

So my points is:

Within 7years the US will FALL as no other country has ever fallen..
Please elaborate on how the American Jews (2 percent of the population) run the world.
I refuse to answer to that, because you are an American and that makes you too IGNORANT to understand it, therefore you search it out yourself.

Btw, since when does quantity> quality, even if they were with only a hundred in the world...what's the difference. Do you honestly think that, to rule the world, you need 300million ignorant americans? Well indeed you do..

When you look at a dollar, the paper, you see a piramide with on top a small seperate piece. Look up the meaning of that. You might come accross the word "illuminati". Don't even think about the fact that Bush and his "discipels" are leading everything.

There's much more going on in the world then you might suspect..

Last edited by lastr0 (2007-01-11 03:44:55)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6911|132 and Bush

lastr0 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

lastr0 wrote:


You started this topic, which is quite relevant to what's going on in the world right now, yet you are too immature to handle it. My suggestion is you refrain from posting in here.

As for the people who think that, when the US falls, every other country will fall too..nothing is what it seems.
The US itself doesn't mean ANYTHING, It's just the center where the big leaders of the world (The rockefellers, CFR,..) are all gathered.
The Jewish people, those are the ones who lead the world, they happen to be all gathered in the US, which makes the US a big nation. But once the power of the US is vaporizing, so will the top people ( The Jew) move on to the new upcoming power...it's been like this forever.

So my points is:

Within 7years the US will FALL as no other country has ever fallen..
Please elaborate on how the American Jews (2 percent of the population) run the world.
I refuse to answer to that, because you are an American and that makes you too IGNORANT to understand it, therefore you search it out yourself.

Btw, since when does quantity> quality, even if they were with only a hundred in the world...what's the difference. Do you honestly think that, to rule the world, you need 300million ignorant americans? Well indeed you do..

When you look at a dollar, the paper, you see a piramide with on top a small seperate piece. Look up the meaning of that. You might come accross the word "illuminati". Don't even think about the fact that Bush and his "discipels" are leading everything.

There's much more going on in the world then you might suspect..
Luckily we have enlightened prejudice jackballs like yourself to show us the light.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7076|UK

lastr0 wrote:

The Bartenders Son wrote:

joker8baller wrote:


Well... I can see your immaturity then.
LOL i can live with that.. if you can live with not taking a joke...
You started this topic, which is quite relevant to what's going on in the world right now, yet you are too immature to handle it. My suggestion is you refrain from posting in here.

As for the people who think that, when the US falls, every other country will fall too..nothing is what it seems.
The US itself doesn't mean ANYTHING, It's just the center where the big leaders of the world (The rockefellers, CFR,..) are all gathered.
The Jewish people, those are the ones who lead the world, they happen to be all gathered in the US, which makes the US a big nation. But once the power of the US is vaporizing, so will the top people ( The Jew) move on to the new upcoming power...it's been like this forever.

So my points is:

Within 7years the US will FALL as no other country has ever fallen..
I like the way you believe what nazi germany did and what caused the holocaust.
|BFC|Icenflame
Member
+11|6787|Cape Town - South Africa
America is bound to hit a stumbling block every "great" power in the world has eventually dissipated look at the imperial age, France, Portugal, Spain and England had colonies all around the world.

But finally time moves on and the power base weakened and the Imperial seekers started to fade. Its natural progression all we need do is look at our history books.

This arrogance of believing all is right with the world and there is no chance of America failing will eventually lead to the downfall or "stumbling" or the great super power...

Are we all forgetting China it seems we are pick up your sharpener on your desk or your ruler or calculater in fact all of them and tell me where they are made! even the shoes on your feet and the cloths on your back....

China is becoming the new super power and it GDP will out strip America's in the near future....
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6911|132 and Bush

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

America is bound to hit a stumbling block every "great" power in the world has eventually dissipated look at the imperial age, France, Portugal, Spain and England had colonies all around the world.

But finally time moves on and the power base weakened and the Imperial seekers started to fade. Its natural progression all we need do is look at our history books.

This arrogance of believing all is right with the world and there is no chance of America failing will eventually lead to the downfall or "stumbling" or the great super power...

Are we all forgetting China it seems we are pick up your sharpener on your desk or your ruler or calculater in fact all of them and tell me where they are made! even the shoes on your feet and the cloths on your back....

China is becoming the new super power and it GDP will out strip America's in the near future....
Chinas economy is dependent on the US.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
|BFC|Icenflame
Member
+11|6787|Cape Town - South Africa

Kmarion wrote:

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

America is bound to hit a stumbling block every "great" power in the world has eventually dissipated look at the imperial age, France, Portugal, Spain and England had colonies all around the world.

But finally time moves on and the power base weakened and the Imperial seekers started to fade. Its natural progression all we need do is look at our history books.

This arrogance of believing all is right with the world and there is no chance of America failing will eventually lead to the downfall or "stumbling" or the great super power...

Are we all forgetting China it seems we are pick up your sharpener on your desk or your ruler or calculater in fact all of them and tell me where they are made! even the shoes on your feet and the cloths on your back....

China is becoming the new super power and it GDP will out strip America's in the near future....
Chinas economy is dependent on the US.
is that what your well sourced news agencies are telling you guys now?

America ! "The land where you you don't have to worry about anything!" come on do you honestly think that China would not survive a market crash if it where to happen? It's a communist state they don't pay for their labor anyway :p

Besides imagine what where to happen if China cut off trade to America all of your manufacturing companies Nike, Intel etc would go POP!  There is no other country that offers cheap labor like the Chinese do! well there is India ! We'd better watch out as well they becoming the IT hub of the world!

My point is you can't go around loud mouthing saying nothings gonna ever happen... that sort of train of thought leads to an even bigger fall when it happens. Humility is the key here...

And when it does happen I'm gonna print these posts and send them to you priority mail...
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6911|132 and Bush

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

America is bound to hit a stumbling block every "great" power in the world has eventually dissipated look at the imperial age, France, Portugal, Spain and England had colonies all around the world.

But finally time moves on and the power base weakened and the Imperial seekers started to fade. Its natural progression all we need do is look at our history books.

This arrogance of believing all is right with the world and there is no chance of America failing will eventually lead to the downfall or "stumbling" or the great super power...

Are we all forgetting China it seems we are pick up your sharpener on your desk or your ruler or calculater in fact all of them and tell me where they are made! even the shoes on your feet and the cloths on your back....

China is becoming the new super power and it GDP will out strip America's in the near future....
Chinas economy is dependent on the US.
is that what your well sourced news agencies are telling you guys now?

America ! "The land where you you don't have to worry about anything!" come on do you honestly think that China would not survive a market crash if it where to happen? It's a communist state they don't pay for their labor anyway :p

Besides imagine what where to happen if China cut off trade to America all of your manufacturing companies Nike, Intel etc would go POP!  There is no other country that offers cheap labor like the Chinese do! well there is India ! We'd better watch out as well they becoming the IT hub of the world!

My point is you can't go around loud mouthing saying nothings gonna ever happen... that sort of train of thought leads to an even bigger fall when it happens. Humility is the key here...

And when it does happen I'm gonna print these posts and send them to you priority mail...
Our economies are intertwined. Neither the US or China would be so irresponsible to jeopardizes the stability of the other. You seem to not understand that this relationship goes both ways. China has become so dependent upon selling goods to the US that if the US falls it would take a good portion of China's economy with it.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
|BFC|Icenflame
Member
+11|6787|Cape Town - South Africa
granted Kmarion

both your economies would take a huge knock but ask yourself the question which one would come out best in the end?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6911|132 and Bush

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

granted Kmarion

both your economies would take a huge knock but ask yourself the question which one would come out best in the end?
Unfortunatly for Americans where we sit now isn't too ideal. If you read this recent article you can see that although our deficit with China has dropped for the third month it is still signficant.

China does some tricky stuff.(Like this)
"American manufacturers contend the yuan is undervalued by as much as 40 percent against the dollar, making Chinese goods cheaper and more attractive to American consumers and U.S. products more expensive in China."
All is fair in love and war though.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070110/ap_ … fi/economy
Xbone Stormsurgezz
|BFC|Icenflame
Member
+11|6787|Cape Town - South Africa

Kmarion wrote:

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

granted Kmarion

both your economies would take a huge knock but ask yourself the question which one would come out best in the end?
Unfortunatly for Americans where we sit now isn't too ideal. If you read this recent article you can see that although our deficit with China has dropped for the third month it is still signficant.

China does some tricky stuff.(Like this)
"American manufacturers contend the yuan is undervalued by as much as 40 percent against the dollar, making Chinese goods cheaper and more attractive to American consumers and U.S. products more expensive in China."
All is fair in love and war though.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070110/ap_ … fi/economy
Thanks for the link interesting stuff ! +1 for value added posting :p
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6911|132 and Bush

You may not use more than 10 karma points in 24 hours.^^
lol, I'll hit you back when it recharges
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6892|SE London

Kmarion wrote:

Our economies are intertwined. Neither the US or China would be so irresponsible to jeopardizes the stability of the other. You seem to not understand that this relationship goes both ways. China has become so dependent upon selling goods to the US that if the US falls it would take a good portion of China's economy with it.
I think a lot of people here are underplaying the importance of the EU in world trade. The EU exports far more stuff than China or the US and imports a lot more as well. In fact Germany, a single EU nation, tops the world exports list. There is no doubt that China is a very important player on the world trade stage and will be much more influencial into the future. In the US there is a unreconcilable gulf between value of imports and exports this could cause the US problems in future.
The Bartenders Son
Member
+42|7003|online

TC.Troy wrote:

I have an 11yr old, and a 5 yr old...both boys...
My opinion is that by the time they are my age (39)...the US wont exist as we know it.  The Roman Empire lasted some 800+ years, I fear we wont come even close.
thats a said thing to say man... I done my part and im thinking about going back in.. I dont think it will be that soon... I think we need to stop caring about everyone els and just BE AMERICAN again!!!!!!!!!
The Bartenders Son
Member
+42|7003|online

lastr0 wrote:

The Bartenders Son wrote:

joker8baller wrote:

Well... I can see your immaturity then.
LOL i can live with that.. if you can live with not taking a joke...
You started this topic, which is quite relevant to what's going on in the world right now, yet you are too immature to handle it. My suggestion is you refrain from posting in here.

As for the people who think that, when the US falls, every other country will fall too..nothing is what it seems.
The US itself doesn't mean ANYTHING, It's just the center where the big leaders of the world (The rockefellers, CFR,..) are all gathered.
The Jewish people, those are the ones who lead the world, they happen to be all gathered in the US, which makes the US a big nation. But once the power of the US is vaporizing, so will the top people ( The Jew) move on to the new upcoming power...it's been like this forever.

So my points is:

Within 7years the US will FALL as no other country has ever fallen..
The U.S will not fall because of people like me.. but.. because of people like you.. it mite.. now.. have a nice day...


They will have to Come through ME for THAT TO HAppeN... BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by The Bartenders Son (2007-01-11 05:45:36)

The Bartenders Son
Member
+42|7003|online

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

granted Kmarion

both your economies would take a huge knock but ask yourself the question which one would come out best in the end?
Unfortunatly for Americans where we sit now isn't too ideal. If you read this recent article you can see that although our deficit with China has dropped for the third month it is still signficant.

China does some tricky stuff.(Like this)
"American manufacturers contend the yuan is undervalued by as much as 40 percent against the dollar, making Chinese goods cheaper and more attractive to American consumers and U.S. products more expensive in China."
All is fair in love and war though.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070110/ap_ … fi/economy
Thanks for the link interesting stuff ! +1 for value added posting :p
This is true.....
The Bartenders Son
Member
+42|7003|online
American will not Fall Untill The Last American has Fallen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Im not dead yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EVieira
Member
+105|6788|Lutenblaag, Molvania

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

granted Kmarion

both your economies would take a huge knock but ask yourself the question which one would come out best in the end?
The whole world economy is interwined with the US. We live in the times of globalization, when the NYSE takes a big hit all other major stock exchanges dive too. Imagine what would happen if the US were to crash altogether...

One thing pulls another: US crashes, pulls china and japan with it. China is the major oil, steel and soy consumer in the world. Economies with those major exports suffer: Brazil, Venezuela, Russia, etc. Those countries bring down those dependent on them, and so forth.

Its a domino effect, but when the first domino is the largest economy in the world, its more like a tsunami.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6892|SE London

EVieira wrote:

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

granted Kmarion

both your economies would take a huge knock but ask yourself the question which one would come out best in the end?
The whole world economy is interwined with the US. We live in the times of globalization, when the NYSE takes a big hit all other major stock exchanges dive too. Imagine what would happen if the US were to crash altogether...

One thing pulls another: US crashes, pulls china and japan with it. China is the major oil, steel and soy consumer in the world. Economies with those major exports suffer: Brazil, Venezuela, Russia, etc. Those countries bring down those dependent on them, and so forth.

Its a domino effect, but when the first domino is the largest economy in the world, its more like a tsunami.
It's not likely to go like that though. A gradual economic slump is far more likely. There are a lot of economies growing faster than that of the US. In time those could bridge the gap that a US superpower currently fills.
A sudden crash for the US economy is unlikely and would have devastating effects globally, but a slow slide from the economic top spot wouldn't have the same effect as other economies would pick up the slack.
Macca
Cylons' my kinda frak
+72|6756|Australia.

Kmarion wrote:

Please elaborate on how the American Jews (2 percent of the population) run the world.
They don't "run" the World.

But they do fund Israel a hell of a lot. It's the reason why Israel has Military superiority over Palestine. All the money is flowing in from rich American Jewish people and into the pockets of Israel.
RingPirate
Member
+0|7022|Berlin

EVieira wrote:

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:

granted Kmarion

both your economies would take a huge knock but ask yourself the question which one would come out best in the end?
The whole world economy is interwined with the US. We live in the times of globalization, when the NYSE takes a big hit all other major stock exchanges dive too. Imagine what would happen if the US were to crash altogether...

One thing pulls another: US crashes, pulls china and japan with it. China is the major oil, steel and soy consumer in the world. Economies with those major exports suffer: Brazil, Venezuela, Russia, etc. Those countries bring down those dependent on them, and so forth.

Its a domino effect, but when the first domino is the largest economy in the world, its more like a tsunami.
It's true if the American economy were to crash, the whole world would slide into a huge crisis. We don't know what the outcome might be, so it's in nobody's interest that this occours. It's also true that unfortunatley the US has a huge deficite, already the American standard of living is finaced by the rest of the world. Japan and China both hold gigantic devices (foreign currency- not sure about the translation) and with good reasons. They are practically giving out loans to the US and in the process they are backing the Dollar, so they can keep selling their products to America. If they wouldn't do that the Dollar would take a dive destabilizing economies all over the globe. Especially countries that have their currency interlinked to the Dollar. Since everybody knows that, the whole world is working together to prevent something like that from happening, like it was done before (I believe in the 70's the world stopped the dollar from taking a devestating dive).
That said, you also see capital beeing pulled out of the US slowly but surely. Countries like China and Japan are buying more and more Euro devices, since the Euro is much more solid. The EU zone got a positive deficite.
Afterall it looks like nobody wants an American crash which would mean a world crash, but the US is getting alot of competion and probably will be overtaken whitin the next 50 years. Thats not bad for Americans but in the process they'll cease to be sole superpower. Although it would be in Americas interest to finance it's peoples living standard by itself because the more important other regions of the world become the less important the US.

Here's an example. Germany is an export nation. 10 years ago, most of the money was made in America. A dive of the dollar would mean German products become more expensive to American customers, they would buy less, therefoe huring the German economy which depends on these exports.
Today most of the German exports go to Eastern Europe and Russia, China is becoming a larger market every year. The value of Dollar has lost quite a bit compared to the Euro over the last year, which would have usually hurt the German export economy but since we are exporting so much into other parts of the world now the effect wasn't at all felt anymore, this is a dramatic change.

American economists know the problem as well and will hopefully take steps so there economy won't fall apart.


PS: To make it easier to understand: The practice of American the average people spending more than they earn only works as long as the Dollar is the dominate currencey. If this changes there will be trouble.

Last edited by RingPirate (2007-01-11 08:50:02)

CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
+207|6828|USA

Spark wrote:

The Romans overstretched themselves, letting all their enemies attack at once.

Probably won't happen with the US, any enemy that tries to attack will get atomized.
because nobody can have nukes except us.

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