So you're happy that Bush is becoming more like Castro?DBBrinson1 wrote:
BTW Cam, do you think that castro let the mail through unscanned?
Why should Bush be afraid of American citizens? He's got his second term and he can't get a third so what's left to gain from pleasing the citizens?BN wrote:
Bush & CO are more afraid of American citizens than terrorists.
Today, it's a birthday card from Grandma, tomorrow, it's Grandma's pussy.The Unitary Executive (hehe, that's me) has the full and exclusive right to search the vaginas of girls ages 12 to 72 for the purposes of national security, or designate any cronies to do this on my behalf. This being part of the vital War on Terra, no search warrants are necessary.
Signed,
Chimpy McFlightsuit
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Are you serious? What the hell for? In case she had in fact had a complicated operation involving tubes inside her that could release explosive liquids from her nipples?GorillaTicTacs wrote:
So where do we draw the line...what if it came out tomorrow...
Headline, FoxNews:
Mini-bomb Plot Uncovered in Vibrating Toys
3 weeks later, a signing statement attached to the latest Homeland Security bill.Today, it's a birthday card from Grandma, tomorrow, it's Grandma's pussy.The Unitary Executive (hehe, that's me) has the full and exclusive right to search the vaginas of girls ages 12 to 72 for the purposes of national security, or designate any cronies to do this on my behalf. This being part of the vital War on Terra, no search warrants are necessary.
Signed,
Chimpy McFlightsuit
Don't laugh, my wife already had to drink her own breastmilk as we boarded to come back here to Romania. I thought that shit only happened in Michael Moore movies.
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Wow, how original. I send a fuck off straight up your way. I knew this exact response was coming. So predictable. Sorry, living in reality does not make you paranoid. I've never been scared of terrorism or looked over my shoulder a day in my life.CameronPoe wrote:
I think maybe you're paranoid about terrorism.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
I think you fall under paranoid idiot. Or maybe just someone who likes to stir the pot.CameronPoe wrote:
Oh yeah - I forgot - politicians never act in a corrupt manner. My personal details and correspondences are in safe hands...
goes back to them down playing terrorism as "paranoia", but on the constant look out for "big brother" hiding in their toothpaste or under their beds.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Wow, how original. I send a fuck off straight up your way. I knew this exact response was coming. So predictable. Sorry, living in reality does not make you paranoid. I've never been scared of terrorism or looked over my shoulder a day in my life.CameronPoe wrote:
I think maybe you're paranoid about terrorism.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
I think you fall under paranoid idiot. Or maybe just someone who likes to stir the pot.
That's about the dumbest quote I've ever seen. You've all been sacrificing freedoms every day since the day you've been born to live in a stable society. You just don't bitch about it, because it's always been there. But when one more thing comes along, it's a tragety and your rights have been violated. Takes your heads out of your asses and use critical thinking for once in your lives. Think beyond what may sound good in theory and whats realistically happening.B.Schuss wrote:
"those who are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security, deserve neither and will lose both"
Thats about the dumbest quote on bf2s.com I've seen, Alax.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
That's about the dumbest quote I've ever seen. You've all been sacrificing freedoms every day since the day you've been born to live in a stable society. You just don't bitch about it, because it's always been there. But when one more thing comes along, it's a tragety and your rights have been violated. Takes your heads out of your asses and use critical thinking for once in your lives. Think beyond what may sound good in theory and whats realistically happening.B.Schuss wrote:
"those who are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security, deserve neither and will lose both"
Forgive me, but isn't allowing government itself sacrificing freedom for personal securtiy? By freedom, I of course mean doing whatever you want. The whole point of government goes against this phrase. We must have different understanding of what freedom means.ATG wrote:
Thats about the dumbest quote on bf2s.com I've seen, Alax.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
That's about the dumbest quote I've ever seen. You've all been sacrificing freedoms every day since the day you've been born to live in a stable society. You just don't bitch about it, because it's always been there. But when one more thing comes along, it's a tragety and your rights have been violated. Takes your heads out of your asses and use critical thinking for once in your lives. Think beyond what may sound good in theory and whats realistically happening.B.Schuss wrote:
"those who are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security, deserve neither and will lose both"
The quote Herr Schuss made is one of Americas hallowed phrases, he doesn't make it flipantly.
well, I think you know where the quote originates...Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
That's about the dumbest quote I've ever seen. You've all been sacrificing freedoms every day since the day you've been born to live in a stable society. You just don't bitch about it, because it's always been there. But when one more thing comes along, it's a tragety and your rights have been violated. Takes your heads out of your asses and use critical thinking for once in your lives. Think beyond what may sound good in theory and whats realistically happening.B.Schuss wrote:
"those who are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security, deserve neither and will lose both"
Same things happened when the US was at war with Germany.............We are at WAR!........If people are so fucked up that they think sacrifices and belt tightening isn't going to happen, they are nuts.B.Schuss wrote:
well, I think you know where the quote originates...Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
That's about the dumbest quote I've ever seen. You've all been sacrificing freedoms every day since the day you've been born to live in a stable society. You just don't bitch about it, because it's always been there. But when one more thing comes along, it's a tragety and your rights have been violated. Takes your heads out of your asses and use critical thinking for once in your lives. Think beyond what may sound good in theory and whats realistically happening.B.Schuss wrote:
"those who are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security, deserve neither and will lose both"
the original quote was from Benjamin Franklin, author, philosopher, Founding Father, diplomat, Declaration of Independence and Constitutional signatory. The quote is often paraphrased, but this is the exact wording of the original.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
kudos to gorillatictacs for pointing that out.
And don't get me wrong here, Ajax. I do realize that electing a government is all about giving up some personal freedom in exchange for something greater. No nation can function if everyone just did how he pleased.
The question I am asking is, where do you draw the line ?
All I ever hear from Americans on these forums is how important your freedoms and the constitution are to you, that they are even more important than any government you could have. I have even heard people say here that they'd fight against their own government if it tried to take their constitutional rights from them, and this is especially apparent with regard to the right to bear arms and the second amendment.
Yet, at the same time, when it is becoming more and more obvious that your own government is infringing your personal rights and freedoms more and more each day, you are still sitting there defending that policy ?
Where does it stop, I ask you ?
For example, if President Bush suddenly decided that he'd like to get rid off the Second amendment, since it does make it easier for terrorists in the US to get their hands on firearms, would you still agree ?
If the draft was re-instated to force people into a war in Iraq that they might not agree with, would you still concur ?
Where is your personal line, Ajax ?
As Germans, our history reminds us constantly, how fast a democracy can turn into a fascist dictatorship. Between 1933 and 1945, little by little, the Nazis took away our personal rights and freedoms and turned Germany into a police state. And for what ? They said it would make us safer, stronger, better off on the world stage. We believed them...and then, what happened ? Concentration camps, Gestapo, and another World War started by us.
Now, I am not saying that is what is happening right now in the US, but scanning someone's e-mail or letters, or wiretapping, all without a warrant ? No independent judge watching over that process ?
Jailing suspects in Git mo, without allowing them the right to due process ?
I am sorry, but that just doesn't sound like the United States like they should be.
you are not seriously comparing World War II with the War on Terror, are you ?lowing wrote:
Same things happened when the US was at war with Germany.............We are at WAR!........If people are so fucked up that they think sacrifices and belt tightening isn't going to happen, they are nuts.B.Schuss wrote:
well, I think you know where the quote originates...Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
That's about the dumbest quote I've ever seen. You've all been sacrificing freedoms every day since the day you've been born to live in a stable society. You just don't bitch about it, because it's always been there. But when one more thing comes along, it's a tragety and your rights have been violated. Takes your heads out of your asses and use critical thinking for once in your lives. Think beyond what may sound good in theory and whats realistically happening.
the original quote was from Benjamin Franklin, author, philosopher, Founding Father, diplomat, Declaration of Independence and Constitutional signatory. The quote is often paraphrased, but this is the exact wording of the original.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
kudos to gorillatictacs for pointing that out.
And don't get me wrong here, Ajax. I do realize that electing a government is all about giving up some personal freedom in exchange for something greater. No nation can function if everyone just did how he pleased.
The question I am asking is, where do you draw the line ?
All I ever hear from Americans on these forums is how important your freedoms and the constitution are to you, that they are even more important than any government you could have. I have even heard people say here that they'd fight against their own government if it tried to take their constitutional rights from them, and this is especially apparent with regard to the right to bear arms and the second amendment.
Yet, at the same time, when it is becoming more and more obvious that your own government is infringing your personal rights and freedoms more and more each day, you are still sitting there defending that policy ?
Where does it stop, I ask you ?
For example, if President Bush suddenly decided that he'd like to get rid off the Second amendment, since it does make it easier for terrorists in the US to get their hands on firearms, would you still agree ?
If the draft was re-instated to force people into a war in Iraq that they might not agree with, would you still concur ?
Where is your personal line, Ajax ?
As Germans, our history reminds us constantly, how fast a democracy can turn into a fascist dictatorship. Between 1933 and 1945, little by little, the Nazis took away our personal rights and freedoms and turned Germany into a police state. And for what ? They said it would make us safer, stronger, better off on the world stage. We believed them...and then, what happened ? Concentration camps, Gestapo, and another World War started by us.
Now, I am not saying that is what is happening right now in the US, but scanning someone's e-mail or letters, or wiretapping, all without a warrant ? No independent judge watching over that process ?
Jailing suspects in Git mo, without allowing them the right to due process ?
I am sorry, but that just doesn't sound like the United States like they should be.
During WW2 we had a lot more freedoms and liberties taken away for the war effort. This liberal pussy generation has not had one inconvenience taken away from them in the past 4 years, short of longer lines at the airports. 60 years ago, mail was censored, people were spied on, products were rationed, curfews were enforced. Stop with the America is falling apart shit already.
I assure you, I wouldn't be worried if a warrant was still necessary. But as far as I can tell from the article, the new law will allow the executive branch to open any American's mail without a court order.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Look, if the government desides someone is suspicious of something through the information they've atained then I have no problem if they listen in on a couple of phones calls or whatever. It's essentially the same thing as a search warrant. You have ample evidence that someone may have something so a judge says it's ok for you to forcefully go through their things. They may be wrong occasionally but that's no reason to dismiss the system. I don't see anyone complaining about search warrants.
I'm sure if anyone's name other than Bush were tied to wiretapping, especially someone people liked, that it wouldn't even be an issue. What do you think the CIA and FBI do?
Extreme right in power, check.Two particular definitions reflect the fact that Fascism has always arisen from an extreme right-wing ideology:
(1) "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism." --American Heritage Dictionary (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1983)
See above.(2) "Extreme right-wing totalitarian political system or views, as orig. prevailing in Italy (1922-43)." --The Pocket Oxford Dictionary (Oxford University Press, 1984)
The State and its actors can do no wrong. To question the leaders of the State is wrong. To question the truth of the leaders is wrong. You exist especially for the interests of the State alone. To disagree is treason against your country.Mussolini wrote:
Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.
You're either with us or you're against us. This is an American Century, American Values, Christian Values.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value.
Bush won the election, get over it. It doesn't matter what the majority of Americans wanted, or even how they actually voted. Bush knows what is right.... Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number.
In the collective, you need no individuality, or privacy. You welcome your government reading your mail, listening to your phone calls, tracking your every move and transaction. Because YOU are the State. You never have a disloyal thought that is out of line, nor have anything to hide, because YOU ARE THE STATE. Terrorists are the OTHERS. They don't accept YOU/the State. They don't want everyone to have safety like you know the State and trust the State to provide.... We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State.
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Deny that what I said is true.B.Schuss wrote:
you are not seriously comparing World War II with the War on Terror, are you ?lowing wrote:
Same things happened when the US was at war with Germany.............We are at WAR!........If people are so fucked up that they think sacrifices and belt tightening isn't going to happen, they are nuts.B.Schuss wrote:
well, I think you know where the quote originates...
the original quote was from Benjamin Franklin, author, philosopher, Founding Father, diplomat, Declaration of Independence and Constitutional signatory. The quote is often paraphrased, but this is the exact wording of the original.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
kudos to gorillatictacs for pointing that out.
And don't get me wrong here, Ajax. I do realize that electing a government is all about giving up some personal freedom in exchange for something greater. No nation can function if everyone just did how he pleased.
The question I am asking is, where do you draw the line ?
All I ever hear from Americans on these forums is how important your freedoms and the constitution are to you, that they are even more important than any government you could have. I have even heard people say here that they'd fight against their own government if it tried to take their constitutional rights from them, and this is especially apparent with regard to the right to bear arms and the second amendment.
Yet, at the same time, when it is becoming more and more obvious that your own government is infringing your personal rights and freedoms more and more each day, you are still sitting there defending that policy ?
Where does it stop, I ask you ?
For example, if President Bush suddenly decided that he'd like to get rid off the Second amendment, since it does make it easier for terrorists in the US to get their hands on firearms, would you still agree ?
If the draft was re-instated to force people into a war in Iraq that they might not agree with, would you still concur ?
Where is your personal line, Ajax ?
As Germans, our history reminds us constantly, how fast a democracy can turn into a fascist dictatorship. Between 1933 and 1945, little by little, the Nazis took away our personal rights and freedoms and turned Germany into a police state. And for what ? They said it would make us safer, stronger, better off on the world stage. We believed them...and then, what happened ? Concentration camps, Gestapo, and another World War started by us.
Now, I am not saying that is what is happening right now in the US, but scanning someone's e-mail or letters, or wiretapping, all without a warrant ? No independent judge watching over that process ?
Jailing suspects in Git mo, without allowing them the right to due process ?
I am sorry, but that just doesn't sound like the United States like they should be.
During WW2 we had a lot more freedoms and liberties taken away for the war effort. This liberal pussy generation has not had one inconvenience taken away from them in the past 4 years, short of longer lines at the airports. 60 years ago, mail was censored, people were spied on, products were rationed, curfews were enforced. Stop with the America is falling apart shit already.
Why is it that everyone that disagrees with you is a "liberal?" I'm sure you would be happy to admit that you are the complete opposite of a liberal, but some of us are actually well balanced. The world is not black and white.fadedsteve wrote:
Well he does live in San Francisco lowing. . . .
Which is the biggest liberal shit for brains melting pot in the country!!