BF2S Forums All religion, False?

Turquoise wrote:

NeoCommander wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Heh...  I'll probably be doing plenty of drinking tomorrow night myself, so cheers... 

As far as how we got here is concerned, I don't know.  Scientifically, evolution seems to be our best guess, and the Big Bang seems like a pretty logical theory.  For the time being, I support those two ideas as the truth.  Granted, I realize that it is in the nature of science to change with time.  We'll probably have more advanced and better ideas in the future.

Anyway, as far as why we are here....  Who knows?  Comprehending whatever created the Big Bang to begin with seems rather.... abstract, to say the least.  I'd rather go through life uncertain about these things than commit to an idea that is likely to be very flawed.  What keeps me from being a true agnostic is that, for all practical purposes, we seem to live in a godless world.  I don't get any sense that there is some greater being watching over us.  I don't believe in karma or in any divine benevolent (or malevolent) force beyond what we experience in this world.

So, in short, I can't tell you why or how we are here.  I think what becomes more important in life is what we make of it.  As a species, we collectively decide what justice and corruption are.  In a way, we are collectively our own god, so to speak.

Your words are wise and well-spoken, you are an impressive person, and I greatly respect your opinions.  Thank you for sharing them.  +1

Thanks to you too, man.    You started a very deep topic and made some pretty insightful observations about religion in general.  I'm glad there are other people out there that are wary of organized religion.  I'm not totally against the idea of personal faith, because I'd rather people think things through if they choose to believe.  The problem I see with organized religion is that it often seems to do the thinking for most of its followers.

Yeah, I often like to just crack open a beer in my room, sit down, and look out my window, and debate things...

Hey if you MySpace, MSN, or AIM... send me the details in a PM, k?

I'm LDS, but you can live your life however you want.  There's no rituals to follow, as long as you allow others the same basic G**d*** rights you want for yourself (not to die, right not to be oppressed), then life would be good.  Botice it says NOTHING about making sure the other people BELIEVE the same things (Joseph Smith) as you, and certainly you don't have to make sure that anyone NOT following your view is dead.

Bubbalo wrote:

NeoCommander wrote:

the support...............homosexuality

That's right folks, Muslims and Christians are both crazy about homosexuality.  They just can't get enough of it!

LOL...  true...  Homosexuals seem to get the short end of the stick with just about every religion (no pun intended).

TheCanadianTerrorist wrote:

Religions are stupid. Man has over come so much in the last few decades, I can't believe we are too blind to see over this mile stone. It's blatantly obvious that a man beyond time and space exists and molds us to his liking, hates homosexuals, degrades women and hates people of other religions exists.

I know where you're coming from, but there is a natural tendency for humans to seek answers to questions that have no answers.  When they fail to logically deduce an answer, they start filling in the blanks with speculation, which often leads to things like religion.

Humanity would probably be a little more functional if we'd just focus more on logic and empiricism, rather than creating mythologies to relieve our uncertainties.

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

Ok, here's a TV quote: "Science help us."

  Kudos to who can guess why that it relevant here.

South Park. EOS.

It's called choice. That's why.

NeoCommander wrote:

I agree, however there's a scripture that says, "neither will men whom lie down with men will enter gods kingdom"  Powerful words, written by man or not.

are you sure you quoted that right?
and what scripture was that?
i'm not sure about powerful but thats pretty good on the interpretations level by most religious quotes

I got into many discussions about God and religion. The way I see it is God/religion was made up by man to control the masses. The Bible is written by man, not from a God. Anyhow some other things that make me look at the Bible and it's utter BS are the stories. Noah's Ark for one. Come on now. Simply didn't happen.
CAN'T HAPPEN! Some guy I argued with said if God didn't exist and didn't make the universe in 7 days then how did everything come from nothingness. Well I just ask in return if there was a point to where nothing existed then where did God come from? Mother and Father? Did he just get shart from a black hole and was like "damn , I think I'll bust out my universe right here?" I mean come on man, religion and belief are just human traits to keep their sanity, well being and it's nothing more then a practice in life. There are several different religions- why ? No different then a rumor going through the grapevine. At the end of the vine the truth is twisted and not quite exactly like it was told from the start. Any how what I mean is if you have a bible then why was there a need to write a second estimate? In the first bible it says if you work on Sunday you should be put to death for example. We don't practice that today because of culture, human rights and what not. So if you REALLY BELIEVE then you should be putting any friends, Family, co-workers to death for working on Sunday lol. If not your not true believer. Your not doing what God has told you to do. Your fecked either way.

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Soldier-Of-Wasteland wrote:

₁Yes, All of them. Man has created (or invented) religion, not the other way around. I don't believe in any form of God or god-like thing. To me there is no paradise, no hell, nothing. When you die, you die and it's over. No respawning.

₂I would say 95% of the wars the world has ever seen would have never happened if it wasn't for religions.

₁God, not religion, created man (according to like religions), but I know what you're talking about. I couldn't help but pick out that blunder.

₂How wholly optimistic of you.

Turquoise wrote:

Things like this include cleaning up the planet.

If God wanted a clean planet, he wouldn't have created so many litterbugs.

sfarrar33 wrote:

Soldier-Of-Wasteland wrote:

I would say 95% of the wars the world has ever seen would have never happened if it wasn't for religions.

actually its more like 2% religion alone has hardly ever been a cause for war, it tends to be something that gets added onto the list of reasons for war then hyped up because the real reasons for going to war arn't so popular with your countrymen.
Take the crusades
"your going to heaven if you do it and hell if you don't" sounds much more appealing/motivating than "you may have a holiday home in a desert but the locals will hate your guts and the journey will take about half a month if you are lucky, but hey despite that i get a bigger ego around the other european countries because i have more land than them and it's holier (?) than theirs"

Finally we're back on track.  But yeah, not a lot or wars are over religion, but are a significant number...

There's only one true religion - Pastafarianism.

All hail the Giant Spaghetti Monster!

(well, that or Discordianism (All hail Eris))...

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Things like this include cleaning up the planet.

If God wanted a clean planet, he wouldn't have created so many litterbugs.

I assume you're being sarcastic....

NeoCommander wrote:

What IF they were good, sinless people,

That is an oxymoron, there is no such thing. Only one person ever lived a sinless life, his name is Jesus. Believe in him and you will be saved.