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Was Saddam's Hanging the Right Thing?

Yes65%65% - 202
No34%34% - 106
Total: 308
2007-01-01 15:33:28
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7186|Argentina

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

arabeater wrote:


LOL, yea i guess now Saddam really is Satans gay lover. Now better hope that Saddam doesnt convince Satan to take over the world.
yep I also love the various mature prospectives that bolloc constantly brings to the debate. without him, we would be lost, meier vessels of humanity...............
One might say that South Park foreshadowed Saddam's fate. That said, I already made my point several pages ago. Most of what has followed is the inane "Hang Bush" babble, even though I clearly and accurately articulated how and why Saddam and Bush are different, and why Bush did not wage an illegal war nor is guilty of "crimes against humanity". Still, no one has addressed that in a manner in which could be considered debate worthy. It is simply a myriad of one-liners like "Hang Bush". This, sadly, holds true with most debates on this forum.

This entire thread can only be described as "saw it coming". You've got the typical anti-US crowd trying to harbor sympathy for Saddam. They can't see past the mundane details -- that is, Saddam was hung mid sentence, or that the method of execution is considered barbaric by Western culture. As a result, they ignore the horrible atrocities committed by Saddam and actually show sympathy towards him. These are the "nearsighted" people I addressed in my first post.

You've also got the jackasses that interject their little "Hang Bush" comments like they are witty or clever (thankfully, many of which have been deleted). I know that hating Bush is trendy, and believe me, I do not like him either, but at least add substance to your posts. That means when you make an assertion, follow it with proof. Don't just come in and say "Bush should be hung for crimes against humanity". Explain why using FACTS. It is at this point where many rational people will come to realize why Bush is not guilty of crimes against humanity and is nowhere near comparable to Saddam (again, I addressed this in my first post).

And we've got our typical Bubbalo attempting to blow this off as simply a matter of "personal opinion". Just like it was his "personal opinion" that the 9/11 terrorists were heroes. I could've predicted 90% of the replies to this thread.
1-Who are these anti-American crowds?
2-Who in hell tried to harbor sympathy for Saddam? 
3-Don't you agree that it wasn't the appropriate moment to execute him?
4-I never said "hang Bush" and I don't compare him to Saddam, but don't you think he committed crimes against humanity and at least he deserves an impeachment for all the lies he told? 
5-Could you explain why criticizing Bush is anti-American?
2007-01-01 16:42:21
11sog_raider
a gaurdian of life
+112|6888|behind my rifle

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Getting your rocks off from a hanging, derived from a puppet government in a farcical trial where the result was a foregone conclusion.

Pathetic.
I'll agree that the trial was probably unnecessary.  We should have just killed him when we found him in that spiderhole.
agree.
2007-01-01 16:46:10
arabeater
Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?
+49|7109|Colorado Springs, CO

11sog_raider wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Getting your rocks off from a hanging, derived from a puppet government in a farcical trial where the result was a foregone conclusion.

Pathetic.
I'll agree that the trial was probably unnecessary.  We should have just killed him when we found him in that spiderhole.
agree.
Seconded! Then they shouldve taken turns pissing on his dead body.
2007-01-01 16:52:37
sfarrar33
Halogenoalkane
+57|7047|InGerLand

arabeater wrote:

11sog_raider wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


I'll agree that the trial was probably unnecessary.  We should have just killed him when we found him in that spiderhole.
agree.
Seconded! Then they shouldve taken turns pissing on his dead body.
mayb not quite that far...
but yeah they could have said he had a knife or something and was resisting, i mean it was a hole in some tiny village in the middle of nowhere who would check?
2007-01-01 16:56:54
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7030|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

2-Who in hell tried to harbor sympathy for Saddam?
I think we all know by now you are a Sunni Muslim .
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-01-01 17:23:16
11sog_raider
a gaurdian of life
+112|6888|behind my rifle

sfarrar33 wrote:

arabeater wrote:

11sog_raider wrote:

agree.
Seconded! Then they shouldve taken turns pissing on his dead body.
mayb not quite that far...
but yeah they could have said he had a knife or something and was resisting, i mean it was a hole in some tiny village in the middle of nowhere who would check?
he did have a weapon on him, if im correct. i may be wrong too. someone correct me if im wrong

Last edited by 11sog_raider (2007-01-01 17:24:37)

2007-01-01 17:56:04
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7075

sergeriver wrote:

1-Who are these anti-American crowds?
2-Who in hell tried to harbor sympathy for Saddam? 
3-Don't you agree that it wasn't the appropriate moment to execute him?
4-I never said "hang Bush" and I don't compare him to Saddam, but don't you think he committed crimes against humanity and at least he deserves an impeachment for all the lies he told? 
5-Could you explain why criticizing Bush is anti-American?
Here we go again. Simply read the replies to this thread. Granted, many of the worst replies have been deleted by moderators, but I am not about spoon feed you 7 pages of posts. Here's a few from the first page alone:

SysTray wrote:

Taking Saddam out of power was wrong, what's going to make anything that happened after that right?

jonsimon wrote:

If you're going to kill someone, be a man and kill them politely. Trying to deny them the "satisfaction" of dying is sick, twisted, and just downright disrespectable. It takes a real spineless excuse for a man to be so vile.

LostFate wrote:

no..who the hell is america to barge in to someone elses country an take him from power..

they've made a bad situation 50 times worse, and hanging wtf is that all about...

namelostonthetoilet wrote:

why hang him? He was the bad guy who hang people but now when the usa hanged him they are like him.
Do it without pain and everybody is happy!?!
Well jee wiz! If that isn't showing Saddam sympathy, then I must be reading the wrong dictionary. Keep in mind, that is from the first page alone. Some of these people even think the US hung Saddam! As I said before, this type of ignorance is found in practically every thread here.

As for the anti-American crowd, it is so blatantly obvious that I am convinced you are denying its existence just for the sake of denying it. No rational person can read a thread like this, or 90% of the other threads on this forum, and not see it. This isn't just anti-Bush either. Remember Bubbalo's little "challenge" to the BF2s users to find anti-American posts? I think you need to check out that thread again. Why you continue to play dumb like this, especially after your childish tirade a few nights ago, totally perplexes me. You've already shown your true colors:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=58672

You spammed the forum with so many blatantly anti-US threads that Chuy himself had to delete them. Not to mention, you derailed another half dozen threads that night. You have proven that you cannot keep a level head and everything becomes a personal vendetta to you. Maybe you're just out for attention. Why else would someone make an emo "boo hoo I'm leaving" thread but never stop posting? So you can see why I no longer take your posts or these obvious questions you come up with seriously. Nothing I, or anyone else says will be good enough...even when the proof is so blatantly obvious any person with a slight sense of rationality could see it.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2007-01-01 18:01:11)

2007-01-01 18:16:54
jsruck24
Member
+3|6953
hes too horrible, he didnt deserve a quick hanging, they should have let him rot in jail for 20 more years
2007-01-01 18:18:34
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7075

Bubbalo wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

And we've got our typical Bubbalo attempting to blow this off as simply a matter of "personal opinion". Just like it was his "personal opinion" that the 9/11 terrorists were heroes. I could've predicted 90% of the replies to this thread.
Uh, what?  All I've said is that I don't believe in the death penalty, and as such do not believe it was the right thing, but having said that given that Iraq does use the death penalty it ought be the right thing from their point of view.

Also, if you're going to be a dipshit who can't read, maybe do it in Junk Drawer?

Bubbalo wrote:

Of course, there's no real way of defining what he actually deserved, since it depends on a myriad of factors, many of them open to personal opinion.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=56186

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together and know what you really think.
2007-01-01 18:19:00
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio
They should have sewed his asshole shut, removed an eye, closed and ear...and then maybe he would understand what he did to the Kurds when he used chemical weapons against them.
2007-01-01 18:20:20
LostFate
Same shit, Different Arsehole
+95|6914|England

usmarine2007 wrote:

They should have sewed his asshole shut, removed an eye, closed and ear...and then maybe he would understand what he did to the Kurds when he used chemical weapons against them.
Mabe they should have nuked him like the americans did to the japs.
2007-01-01 18:21:33
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6796|Columbus, Ohio

LostFate wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

They should have sewed his asshole shut, removed an eye, closed and ear...and then maybe he would understand what he did to the Kurds when he used chemical weapons against them.
Mabe they should have nuked him like the americans did to the japs.
Wow...you are..............wow.
2007-01-01 18:21:38
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7075

LostFate wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

They should have sewed his asshole shut, removed an eye, closed and ear...and then maybe he would understand what he did to the Kurds when he used chemical weapons against them.
Mabe they should have nuked him like the americans did to the japs.
Yeah...this forum isn't a joke.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2007-01-01 18:21:47)

2007-01-01 18:23:01
11sog_raider
a gaurdian of life
+112|6888|behind my rifle

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

LostFate wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

They should have sewed his asshole shut, removed an eye, closed and ear...and then maybe he would understand what he did to the Kurds when he used chemical weapons against them.
Mabe they should have nuked him like the americans did to the japs.
Yeah...this forum isn't a joke.
^ i agree with fancy on this one
2007-01-01 18:32:23
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6990

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

And we've got our typical Bubbalo attempting to blow this off as simply a matter of "personal opinion". Just like it was his "personal opinion" that the 9/11 terrorists were heroes. I could've predicted 90% of the replies to this thread.
Uh, what?  All I've said is that I don't believe in the death penalty, and as such do not believe it was the right thing, but having said that given that Iraq does use the death penalty it ought be the right thing from their point of view.

Also, if you're going to be a dipshit who can't read, maybe do it in Junk Drawer?

Bubbalo wrote:

Of course, there's no real way of defining what he actually deserved, since it depends on a myriad of factors, many of them open to personal opinion.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=56186

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together and know what you really think.
I think exactly what I've stated:

In absolute terms, I do not believe he did, due to the fact that I do not support the death penalty.

Having said that, given that Iraq has the death penalty, and actively uses it, it was appropriate.

I did not, however, ascribe people's comments entirely to personal opinion: rather, I ascribed their belief of whether it was right to personal opinion.  And if it was any different, then there would be no point in starting the thread.
2007-01-01 18:45:57
eusgen
Nugget
+402|7221|Jupiter
I was hoping for a more painful way of dying than to be hung, but oo-well, hes dead now i guess.
2007-01-01 19:02:13
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6958|Global Command
I voted no, as crazy as it may sound coming from me, I think we should have made him live in exile.
I just doesn't feel right.

What motivation are we giving to people we go to war with to surrender?
Surrender and we will hang you?

Short sighted, imo.
2007-01-01 19:06:10
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6990
Hm, I hadn't thought of that ATG...........having said that, I stand by what I said: criminals who are politcally useful to allies should not be given special treatment (keeping in mind that the Iraqi government killed him, and the US are allies).  Still, good point.
2007-01-01 22:36:52
sfarrar33
Halogenoalkane
+57|7047|InGerLand

LostFate wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

They should have sewed his asshole shut, removed an eye, closed and ear...and then maybe he would understand what he did to the Kurds when he used chemical weapons against them.
Mabe they should have nuked him like the americans did to the japs.
...you embarass this country
damnit and your from sheffield as well
now i just don't know where to put my face...
2007-01-02 03:50:06
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7186|Argentina

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

1-Who are these anti-American crowds?
2-Who in hell tried to harbor sympathy for Saddam? 
3-Don't you agree that it wasn't the appropriate moment to execute him?
4-I never said "hang Bush" and I don't compare him to Saddam, but don't you think he committed crimes against humanity and at least he deserves an impeachment for all the lies he told? 
5-Could you explain why criticizing Bush is anti-American?
Here we go again. Simply read the replies to this thread. Granted, many of the worst replies have been deleted by moderators, but I am not about spoon feed you 7 pages of posts. Here's a few from the first page alone:

SysTray wrote:

Taking Saddam out of power was wrong, what's going to make anything that happened after that right?

jonsimon wrote:

If you're going to kill someone, be a man and kill them politely. Trying to deny them the "satisfaction" of dying is sick, twisted, and just downright disrespectable. It takes a real spineless excuse for a man to be so vile.

LostFate wrote:

no..who the hell is america to barge in to someone elses country an take him from power..

they've made a bad situation 50 times worse, and hanging wtf is that all about...

namelostonthetoilet wrote:

why hang him? He was the bad guy who hang people but now when the usa hanged him they are like him.
Do it without pain and everybody is happy!?!
Well jee wiz! If that isn't showing Saddam sympathy, then I must be reading the wrong dictionary. Keep in mind, that is from the first page alone. Some of these people even think the US hung Saddam! As I said before, this type of ignorance is found in practically every thread here.

As for the anti-American crowd, it is so blatantly obvious that I am convinced you are denying its existence just for the sake of denying it. No rational person can read a thread like this, or 90% of the other threads on this forum, and not see it. This isn't just anti-Bush either. Remember Bubbalo's little "challenge" to the BF2s users to find anti-American posts? I think you need to check out that thread again. Why you continue to play dumb like this, especially after your childish tirade a few nights ago, totally perplexes me. You've already shown your true colors:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=58672

You spammed the forum with so many blatantly anti-US threads that Chuy himself had to delete them. Not to mention, you derailed another half dozen threads that night. You have proven that you cannot keep a level head and everything becomes a personal vendetta to you. Maybe you're just out for attention. Why else would someone make an emo "boo hoo I'm leaving" thread but never stop posting? So you can see why I no longer take your posts or these obvious questions you come up with seriously. Nothing I, or anyone else says will be good enough...even when the proof is so blatantly obvious any person with a slight sense of rationality could see it.
I will start by saying that nobody in your quotes showed sympathy for Saddam.  They said "why the hanging" or "kill him in a more polite way" or else.  I think some people can be anti-American, but they are a minority indeed.  You are obsessed with this issue in such a way you lose the perspective.

From now every post of mine will be addressed by you with the link above?  I was having my PMS, any problem with that?  I keep posting because I received a lot of messages of "grown up" people telling me to stay and to ignore you and the other "everybody's anti-American here" guy, I won't tell you who they are, but a lot of them you know very well.

Chuy never deleted a thread of mine, you are wrong.  I only posted one in response to your thread against Argentina and the zillion that usmarine posted.  Mine wasn't worse than yours.  And I deleted it myself.  What chuy deleted were some posts of usmarine and myself.  So, for the spammer thing you have some nerve to tell me spammer when you are the number one in that category.

And stop saying I'm anti-American or bring a proof of this.  You think you are so smart, but I'm sorry dude, you aren't.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-01-02 03:55:05)

2007-01-02 04:01:38
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7186|Argentina

ATG wrote:

I voted no, as crazy as it may sound coming from me, I think we should have made him live in exile.
I just doesn't feel right.

What motivation are we giving to people we go to war with to surrender?
Surrender and we will hang you?

Short sighted, imo.
That is totally right.  And don't forget that now the violence will increase and the American soldiers and the others will have a harder time there.  So, I really think the best thing to do was prison for life to avoid more deaths in Iraq.  And this isn't anti-American for those who call me that every time, this is thinking.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-01-02 04:04:21)

2007-01-02 04:07:11
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7030|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

I voted no, as crazy as it may sound coming from me, I think we should have made him live in exile.
I just doesn't feel right.

What motivation are we giving to people we go to war with to surrender?
Surrender and we will hang you?

Short sighted, imo.
The point of the trial was justice. Not to motivate the enemy to surrender. If that piece of shit swinging from the gallows provided any sense of closure to the victims of all the attrocities he caused I say so be it. It's not revenge for the third party observer but perhaps healing for those involved. (I think the exact timing was bad still)

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-02 04:14:43)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-01-02 04:22:09
Executiator
Member
+69|6850

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

I voted no, as crazy as it may sound coming from me, I think we should have made him live in exile.
I just doesn't feel right.

What motivation are we giving to people we go to war with to surrender?
Surrender and we will hang you?

Short sighted, imo.
That is totally right.  And don't forget that now the violence will increase and the American soldiers and the others will have a harder time there.  So, I really think the best thing to do was prison for life to avoid more deaths in Iraq.  And this isn't anti-American for those who call me that every time, this is thinking.
Nice to see you have a crystal ball that tells you the future!
2007-01-02 04:27:38
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7186|Argentina

Executiator wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

I voted no, as crazy as it may sound coming from me, I think we should have made him live in exile.
I just doesn't feel right.

What motivation are we giving to people we go to war with to surrender?
Surrender and we will hang you?

Short sighted, imo.
That is totally right.  And don't forget that now the violence will increase and the American soldiers and the others will have a harder time there.  So, I really think the best thing to do was prison for life to avoid more deaths in Iraq.  And this isn't anti-American for those who call me that every time, this is thinking.
Nice to see you have a crystal ball that tells you the future!
It's called common sense.
2007-01-02 04:38:04
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7075

sergeriver wrote:

Executiator wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


That is totally right.  And don't forget that now the violence will increase and the American soldiers and the others will have a harder time there.  So, I really think the best thing to do was prison for life to avoid more deaths in Iraq.  And this isn't anti-American for those who call me that every time, this is thinking.
Nice to see you have a crystal ball that tells you the future!
It's called common sense.
No, it's called a personal bias.

 

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