The lung cancer argument is irrelevent; you can COOK with weed. Eating != Smoking.
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usmarine....do you remember the "terroristdisc" from the bbs time?
Yep, and alcohol has been linked to alcoholism, domestic abuse, and drunk driving. Your point is?...Bubbalo wrote:
No, it has been linked to schizophrenia, and adolescents are particularly vulnerable.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
They've tried to link it to schizophrenia. That arguments going the same way as the "kills braincells argument". Stay tuned Bubbalo.By that logic there are a huge number of things which should be legalised: all drugs, gay marriage, incest.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
When I smoke MJ, am I affecting you in anyway? Nope? Exactly. Thanks for trying to protect me though.
Unless you want the government to run your life for you, I suggest you back off on this issue. People should be free to make their own decisions, until they hurt somebody else.
EDIT: Are you honestly suggesting that gay marriage is on the same level as incest? What a homophobe....
Last edited by Turquoise (2006-12-26 21:12:32)
Whine some more coppers.
They should just watch the fuckin video and implement new arrest, sting, and takedown styles so they don't miss anything that this video shows including what they normally do on those occassions.
They should just watch the fuckin video and implement new arrest, sting, and takedown styles so they don't miss anything that this video shows including what they normally do on those occassions.
And heavy drinking is any better? I can assure you; I know a lot of people that are practically alcoholics.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Jesus, why the hell would you smoke?? I have friends that do it and they aren't all there anymore... seems like a fucking waste to me...
If there's any legal drug that does more harm to our society than anything else, it's alcohol. Yet, it's legal and pot isn't.
This isn't about protecting people from themselves -- this is about special interests that want to keep things the way they are, regardless of the hypocrisy involved.
If the law is stupid, it SHOULD be subverted. Besides, he's a FORMER cop. Therefore, he's no longer bound by the same code of conduct.chittydog wrote:
The issue with this former cop isn't whether or not pot should be legal, it's the fact that he's teaching people to violate the law, something he's sworn to uphold.
Wrong. People can become addicted to alcohol, but there are many things people can be addicted to. Further, improper use can lead to domestic abuse and drink driving. Long term marijuana use, on the other hand, will lead to problems.Turquoise wrote:
Yep, and alcohol has been linked to alcoholism, domestic abuse, and drunk driving. Your point is?...
Which brings us back to my earlier post.Turquoise wrote:
Unless you want the government to run your life for you, I suggest you back off on this issue. People should be free to make their own decisions, until they hurt somebody else.
Where did I say that?Turquoise wrote:
EDIT: Are you honestly suggesting that gay marriage is on the same level as incest? What a homophobe....
Unless you can prove it otherwise, the odds of getting schizophrenia from marijuana are not significantly higher than of getting cirrhosis from alcohol, so I still don't see where you're going with this.Bubbalo wrote:
Wrong. People can become addicted to alcohol, but there are many things people can be addicted to. Further, improper use can lead to domestic abuse and drink driving. Long term marijuana use, on the other hand, will lead to problems.Turquoise wrote:
Yep, and alcohol has been linked to alcoholism, domestic abuse, and drunk driving. Your point is?...
As far as I can tell, you've only said that adolescents are particularly at risk with marijuana. So, why not just legalize it for adults (21+) and regulate it? Surely, that's a better option than keeping it illegal and therefore more likely to be obtained by adolescents....Bubbalo wrote:
Which brings us back to my earlier post.Turquoise wrote:
Unless you want the government to run your life for you, I suggest you back off on this issue. People should be free to make their own decisions, until they hurt somebody else.
You listed incest and gay marriage as two items that "following my logic" should be legalized. Incest is not even close to gay marriage, mostly because incest usually involves minors. Therefore, by listing both of them in your argument, you have effectively implied they are on equal terms.Bubbalo wrote:
Where did I say that?Turquoise wrote:
EDIT: Are you honestly suggesting that gay marriage is on the same level as incest? What a homophobe....
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I swear im going to find him and smoke an ounce with him!
im on his side
I do Weed, i outta the habbit of heroin
and shrooms
weed should be legal but all other should not they fuck u up, beleacve me ive been there no money parents hate u dont do heroin or crack makes u lose friends and family, if u think about it think aboput whne ur family disowns u dont do any other drug then weed
lets all go on a rhoadie to british colmbia...u can have an ounce legaly
and u can smoke if ur 16
im on his side
I do Weed, i outta the habbit of heroin
and shrooms
weed should be legal but all other should not they fuck u up, beleacve me ive been there no money parents hate u dont do heroin or crack makes u lose friends and family, if u think about it think aboput whne ur family disowns u dont do any other drug then weed
lets all go on a rhoadie to british colmbia...u can have an ounce legaly
and u can smoke if ur 16
Last edited by Tushers (2006-12-26 21:59:22)
Well, he is a FORMER cop, so technically he's just a citizen now and is not sworn to uphold the law. I have not seen the video myself (I know how to hide my stash already lol), but I did catch a news clip of him stating he thought weed should be legal, and that this video was in some way or another supporting that thought. I do think that pot should in fact be legal. First off, it could be taxed, and instead of drug cartels and seedy peoples profiting, it could benefit the community. Second pot is and could be a great source of handy materials, i.e. strong fiber, paper, oils, fuels, and did I mention it tastes great and provides a much nicer, friendlier buzz than say the old JD. These points aside though, the problem that some in law enforcement have with pot being illegal is that it takes up valuable resources that are desperately needed elsewhere. Arresting, detaining, and jailing pot smokers costs big money. Money that could and should be better spent on things like: home land security, violent crime, and protecting citizens form real dangers. There is a drug epidemic at hand (hint, it ain't weed), Methamphetamine is a growing and extremely dangerous epidemic that is sweeping the U.S. and other countries alike. Methamphetamine is spreading like wild fire, and it DOES fuck up peoples lives/families. We could double, even triple our efforts in the fight against a serious drug rather than in my opinion wasting funds on the shakedown of non violent tokers. My major point here is that spending huge amounts of the law enforcement budget and man power on weed, could be spent in a much wiser and more beneficial way. LEGALIZE IT!!!
im pretty sure they spend more doing that.Parker wrote:
besides the US is making WWAAAAYYYYYYY too much money from arresting small time marijauna buyers.
More than just that, all the manufacturing lobbies would hate to see Hemp hit the market. Hemp can outcompete everything, from building materials, rope, food, and cotton especially.Turquoise wrote:
Weed should indeed be legal.... Of course, there are two large competitive markets that want to keep it illegal -- alcohol and cigarettes. Don't you love it when lobbies decide what you can do in your personal life?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
There is no debate. Weed should be legal. Anyone debating against it being legal would lose.deeznutz1245 wrote:
I agree with him a little. I dont use drugs, not even pot so I am not exactly a "valued" opinion in this matter. I do feel that weed being illegal does empower small time drug dealers. It creates a market for them to receive a lucrative income, but not pay taxes. If the govt legalized it, would it be easier to regulate? I really dont know. debate.
They make money because of search and seizure laws. They technically don't have to even charge you with a crime and they can still seize your property and hold a trial against your property. If they can connect it to the illegal possession or trafficking of drugs, they sell it.Marinejuana wrote:
im pretty sure they spend more doing that.Parker wrote:
besides the US is making WWAAAAYYYYYYY too much money from arresting small time marijauna buyers.
Not if used in the same healthy moderation as alcohol.Bubbalo wrote:
Wrong. People can become addicted to alcohol, but there are many things people can be addicted to. Further, improper use can lead to domestic abuse and drink driving. Long term marijuana use, on the other hand, will lead to problems.
It's not the government that's making money. It's the drug dealers...Marinejuana wrote:
im pretty sure they spend more doing that.Parker wrote:
besides the US is making WWAAAAYYYYYYY too much money from arresting small time marijauna buyers.
The War on Drugs is a very expensive program that should eventually be disbanded. Legalizing marijuana is the first step to fixing the situation.
Should Cannabis be legalised? post has a lot of good debate.
Official Site: www.NeverGetBusted.com
He also mentions he is a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Trailer:
Oh and I saw this movie in the news, been watching the torrent sites for it....LawJik wrote:
Marijuana should definitely be legalized, the government Can not choose to legalize alcohol and tobacco, the two main "gateway" drugs and then leave marijuana illegal and use it with the "War on Drugs" to gain politically. Anyone who ever smoke pot probably tried alcohol or cigarettes first. Legalizing marijuana would have MANY positive effects.
-Stop giving underground crime a huge source of income.
-Give our states something new to make tax money off (millions of dollars more per state).
-Save $69 BILLION a year that is spent on arresting and locking up drug users.
-Without contact to drug dealers the link would be cut off to actually dangerous drugs (coke, heroin, etc)
-Remove legal holds on research into medicinal marijuana (which has miraculous effects for a wide range of diseases)
-Pot is legal in Denver, CO right now as long as you are 21 and don't drive... sounds like perfect sense to me
-Drug dealers don't check IDs, we can keep pot and many other drugs out of the hands of underage kids.
-Marijuana was recently found to NOT be linked to lung, head, or neck cancer: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12943013/
-OH YAH no one has EVER EVER died of an overdose of marijuana, it is just not toxic enough it could not kill you. You need to smoke something like a 1/3rd of your body weight before it becomes dangers, which would be many many pounds, and obliviously impossible.
-Deaths per year in America for Tobacco and Alcohol? Tobacco:480,000 Alcohol:80,000 (Combined they equal 676 TIMES MORE DEATHS PER YEAR than the U.S. loss of life in Iraq per year)
Hey guys, here in America we live in a democracy, you should vote on what you think is better for the people as a whole, not what is better for you, or a bunch of catholic PTA moms will run America to the ground.
Some people want to go home and drink a beer after work, some people would rather smoke, no hangover and price-to-effect ratio is better in pot, why should this be a crime? There aren't going to be high people driving school buses, just like there aren't drunk people driving buses, they are both drugs you only take them in certain situations...
Its legal in many other countries, there isn't any chaos in the streets, pot has MUUCCCCHHH less of a debilitating effect than alcohol, a reallly drunk person CAN NOT control them selves, like walking, speaking, etc. A really high person cant help themselves from not moving off their couch and continuing plowing through that bag of doritos.
Quality would NOT go down, I am sure we would see plenty of headies in the stores, COMPETITION is the name of the game people, if customers want high THC pot, and are willing to pay for it, they are going to get it.
Smoking Pot is a victimless crime, in a rape case the illegality and victim are obvious. But when it comes to smoking pot the victim and the criminal are the same person, how can this be. Following the same rationale, it looks like the government should make McDonalds illegal. According to scientific facts, marijuana is "less bad" for you then either tobacco or alcohol so why are they legal but not pot? Who else is being harmed by a typical smoker hitting a bowl relaxing? WHY IS IT ILLEGAL is my fucking question. Cocaine, heroin these drugs are harmful and kill many people each year, obviously they should be illegal.
If you make a crime out of something that isn't criminal you still make real criminals, and pot heads in our prisons is costing us Millions of dollars every year. Considering bush is spending $100,000 a minute on "Operation Eagle has Landed Freedom Rings Throughout The Mother Land" i think we could use any excess money we can get our hands on.
Leave other people alone and let them smoke if they want to, its none of your or the governments business.
Official Site: www.NeverGetBusted.com
He also mentions he is a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Trailer:
Last edited by LawJik (2006-12-26 22:55:54)
It´s really strange that people that never even have tried cannabis have so many opinions about it, smoke as much as you drink and then tell me what sucked the most. And if you are totaly anti-drugs....well have a boring life.
Acid ftw.
Acid ftw.
In cases people have reported that pot improved there sense of sight. Another thing food stores would benefit from this cause they would have the munchies. Also people that smoke pot tend to be a much nicer (in my openion) than the people that smoke cigarettes.
Unless I missed something, we've missed an important issue here. Weed can be very dangerous when it's growth is not able to be monitored by anyone other than those growing it (ie; what's going on right now). I'm not saying naturally grown marijuanna is entirely risk free, but when people start using hydroponics, well, shit goes whack and can result in a highly addictive and much more dangerous version of weed. (Correct me if I'm wrong here) During the growth of the plants in a hydroponics set up, extra drugs can be put into the water, eg; speed, to turn the marijuanna into a cocktail of highly addictive drugs, something nearly impossible to quit.
If weed was legal, then (I assume) companies would seek to grow it rather than individuals or small groups of peole, thus making the growth able to be monitored, and therefore making it a lot safer. I still haven't given my opinion on whether or not it should be legalized, have I.. Oh well.
If weed was legal, then (I assume) companies would seek to grow it rather than individuals or small groups of peole, thus making the growth able to be monitored, and therefore making it a lot safer. I still haven't given my opinion on whether or not it should be legalized, have I.. Oh well.
yup, and then all that money is spent maintaining the program. its a net loss. the drug war has been very expensive. look it up.jonsimon wrote:
They make money because of search and seizure laws. They technically don't have to even charge you with a crime and they can still seize your property and hold a trial against your property. If they can connect it to the illegal possession or trafficking of drugs, they sell it.Marinejuana wrote:
im pretty sure they spend more doing that.Parker wrote:
besides the US is making WWAAAAYYYYYYY too much money from arresting small time marijauna buyers.
Actually, it is the length not the amount that causes problems. It screws with the chemical balances in your brain.jonsimon wrote:
Not if used in the same healthy moderation as alcohol.Bubbalo wrote:
Wrong. People can become addicted to alcohol, but there are many things people can be addicted to. Further, improper use can lead to domestic abuse and drink driving. Long term marijuana use, on the other hand, will lead to problems.
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